Coil @$&^%$%@^&**%^#$ " for Minelab Xterra 3 kHz

[firty13]

Administrator's comment....................I edited your subject line and removed the link and video in your post. The ONLY manufacturer authorized to produce coils for the X-TERRA, other than Minelab, is Coiltek. There are others, as you pointed out. But if your detector is damaged from using one of them, the warranty is void. Besides that..... I have ZERO regard for any company who pirates another company's patented technology. JMHO

Please read the sticky post near the top of this forum....http://www.findmall.com/read.php?55,1715368,1715368#msg-1715368

Thanks,

Randy

 

[firty13]

X-TERRA Coil Compatibility


As part of ongoing product improvements to our X-TERRA series of ADVENTURE detectors, Minelab has recently updated our VFLEX technology with improved coil-to-detector digital communications protocols.

All genuine Minelab X-TERRA coils and authorised Coiltek X-TERRA coils are fully compatible with all X-TERRA detectors. Any other third party brand non-authorised coils that may function with older X-TERRA detectors may not work at all with the latest X-TERRA detectors. This will result in a CE error message appearing on the X-TERRA display, indicating that the coil is not communicating with the control box.

Should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact your regional Minelab office.



Here is further information from Minelab's website: http://www.minelab.com/usa/customer-care/product-notices?article=94380


welll i read it before and read it again and no where did it say id be subject to judgement for asking a question about unauthorized coils..... im not promoting but ive seen plenty of posts about other models and expieriences and was just curios to if anyone managed to get ahold of this particular Large DD 3khz coil...

if no one responds to this topic in a day or 2 or if it hits a nerve that bad delete it.. i dont care to that extent.

 

[Nuke em]

With regard to the unmentionable coils being discused here , if Coiltech made coils that i wanted i would buy them but as they dont i will be buying 2 of the unmentionable coils as soon as possible.

I have also been told that the coils have been upgraded so they will be able to fit new Terra's , in future if coiltech make coils that are for me then i will buy them but i need a waterproof elyptical 2 DD coil that i can use in water which is deep and hard wearing . Concentric coils are no good to me and the 7.5 x 5 in is not for me either and not waterproof , the large 15 in ? is to big .
The stock 10.5 DD coil either the 7.5 and the 18 khts are the only good coils in my opinion for the Terra that can be put on this forum and they are not waterproof either so unfortunately i have no choice but to buy the unmentionable coils .

Come on Minelab make a Pro coil for the Terra and maybe a elyptical version too.

The unmentionable coils would not sell if there was not a demand for the type !

 

[Old Longhair]

Let me start out by saying that nobody, and I mean NOBODY wants or has wanted a 3kHz DD of any size more than Randy and I. In the past I've even said that I didn't care whether it was authorized or not, I'd be on it like stink. There is even a multi-page thread on this forum where everyone that has wished for one voiced their desire. Links to that thread were sent directly to MineLab just to be sure that they had some idea of the demand for such a product. However.....

Since that time, I've done a bit of information gathering on said company, and concluded that there are reasons beyond the piracy to avoid that manufacturer's Xterra line of products.

I have no doubt that our requests have been heard by MineLab, and also understand that they have been busy with a couple other things in the interum. So I'll wait a while longer before I throw money, caution, and legallity to the wind. A little patience goes a long way, and I believe that there is honest hope on the horizon. For now I'll keep my hard earned cash in my pocket, and I'll have faith that in the not too distant future I'll be rewarded with a coil from either MineLab or Coiltek that I can purchase with complete confidence.

 

[Digger]

welll i read it before and read it again and no where did it say id be subject to judgement for asking a question about unauthorized coils..... im not promoting but ive seen plenty of posts about other models and expieriences and was just curios to if anyone managed to get ahold of this particular Large DD 3khz coil...

Personally, I have no dog in the hunt. But I respect Findmall's position of not allowing posts regarding products being offered by companies who do not help sponsor this forum and they are in direct competition with products that are offered by dealers and companies who make this forum possible. You indicate you've read plenty of posts about other models and experiences, but you apparently missed those posts where this subject has been thoroughly discussed. Many times I've posted that discussion of this particular coil manufacturer will not be allowed. As I said, I don't personally have a financial stake in any of the products available. But I do take great offense toward companies who pirate another company's patented products, with total disregard for the law. And if for no other reason, mention of those coils will not be allowed on this forum as long as I volunteer to help out here. Maybe they work and maybe they don't. Frankly I don't care. They are not being made legally. And that simply goes against my principles. JMHO HH Randy

 

[Nuke em]

I think also there will be a new Terra range in the next year or so , so new coils may come then . Thats my feeling , wasn't far out with the CTX either.

 

[BH_Landstar_]

3khz coils are hard to find, I'd love to be able to buy a 6" and a 10" DD coil for my X-Terra 705, but until Minelab makes them I have to make do with what I have, these being the 7.5 and 18.75kHz coils.

As for a new X-Terra line, there is not much more they can do with the line, it's at it's peek. The only request I have is if they can make a new housing for the electronics to make it waterproof, and a more robust screen, it's a little flimsy and mine has a scratch in it.

 

[Nuke em]

I would imagine the Terra brand is the next for the upgrade. I am buying an extra 705 tomorrow because of the capability of it on my local beach ,and i want a backup in case my older one goes wrong at the wrong time. And i will be buying a *$

 

[BR549]

I have 2 of the namelss coils.Bought both the ellipts.The small one and the larger one.I hate round coils,but needed coils that are waterproof.
I would rather buy minelab coils but no choice.

 

[Nuke em]

See Minelab , there is a market .

 

[firty13]

Read on treasurenet that coiltek was going to make the other 2 frequencies for the 15' DD dont know how credible he is but it seems logical.

 

[firty13]

the unauthorized coils that are being made though are air testing at oustanding distances though it seems like the pirating company can utilize the tech or maybe "push it more" then the creator can laughably.

 

[firty13]

i feel im at a slight advantage watching these foreiegn videos since alot of them are from Poland neighboring the country they are made in i can actually understand what the users are trying to clarify. on a side note there is quite a large minelab following in Poland so for many being in the EU its simple traveling around there.

 

[Old Longhair]

I am buying an extra 705 tomorrow because of the capability of it on my local beach ,and i want a backup in case my older one goes wrong at the wrong time. And i will be buying a *$

 

[Nuke em]

Afraid they will have to do it again , as the N*** have caught up and are producing coils that work on the new post April machines and also work on the old ones too.

 

[BR549]

YEAH The ones I have work on all xterras.

 

[Digger]

See Minelab , there is a market .

Minelab is fully aware there is a market. And more recently, so is Coiltek. But to shed a bit different light on the subject, recognize that there is a difference between producing a coil through reverse engineering and a coil that was designed and built using the specifications engineered by the same folks who built the X-TERRA. Not having a specific coil at a specific frequency that works "as designed" does not mean the efforts have not been made.

I have two Pro-Style coils that were made by Minelab, for the X-TERRA. One is HF and one is MF. I bought them from Findmall's Accessories forum a couple years ago. They initially came from a person in Florida who had field tested them. I was told he reported they did not work well on the beaches. Hence, Minelab scrapped that project. I found that there were some minor adjustments that could be made, allowing them to work pretty well for me on land. So with a bit of patience and serious discussion, I still have hopes that one of the "authorized" coil manufacturers will follow up on this or a similar project.
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When I saw an 8-inch DD X-TERRA coil for sale on eBay, I wrote the seller and asked him why he was selling it and how well it worked. His response surprised me in that he turned out to be a person who use to do Field Tests for Minelab and was at one time a Minelab dealer. He told me that Minelab built it for him to test. He reported that it covered more ground than the 6-inch coil, but didn't hunt much deeper. Based on his opinion, that one was scrapped as well. But again, I am making the pitch for someone to revisit this project.
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So what choice do we have if we insist on using legitimate products? Within the past year or so, Minelab has "authorized" Coiltek to build X-TERRA coils. No one else IS authorized to build X-TERRA coils. Their first attempt was with the 15-inch All Terrain at 7.5 kHz. It works very well and there is no concern that using it will void the X-TERRA warranty. Coilteck has been given access to Minelab's technical specifications. And with that in mind, I'm not willing to give my money to some aftermarket manufacturer who builds coils with what they've learned through reverse engineering. Not to mention the fact I despise technical piracy.
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I fully expect to see more X-TERRA coils in the near future. When? I can't say. But good things come to those who wait! HH Randy

 

[Nuke em]

All coils on the Terra's dont work brilliantly well on the wet beach , i have tried most so it would have been better that Minelab just make the Pro coil for the Terra for land . And it would be better balanced for the Terra unlike the 10.5in coils they normally have.
Maybe when Minelab realise what a lot of people want they will make what the detectorist wants, because a lot of the time i hear from pal's that Minelab just dont listen and a few have said that about the new CTX and in some ways they are right. Instead of listening they did this - They produced a machine ie;- the CTX which is too heavy , no paperback user manual , unnessary over the top gizmo's when all we need is a machine that was improved on the earlier one. It may be better balanced but that does not help in the heat when you are lugging a lot of weight around.
They make the menu hard to remember how to navigate , i had this yesterday when trying to change the tones from Combined to 50 Conduct , it slowed me up a lot on the beach and i mean a beach that is hell with the wrong machine , a target every second or so and iron too, bonfire markings that null the machine.
Yes waterproof is a good idea and the straight stem too and the coil is right but another thing a mate moans about is the screen , in sunlight it is very hard to see and it is only clear when you have the backlight on at lowest level 1.
I am a Minelaber through and through but they do at times test the faith of the Pope i think.
It is a fact that the CTX is no better in depth and for me the tones are suspect because the tone i.d. screen that has the 5 segments is set up wrong, it needs 3 vertical segments and lot more segments in the non ferrous area too or the tones become the same for many targets good or bad. Dont get that with the ET.
Some do think this is a step backwards and i think it too in a few areas , i like the software update idea but that is a copy of the Deus sort of, i like the remote for the Headphones but if you have headphones plugged into the battery box itself then they had better not be right angle plugged or it will keep coming out.
It is a good machine and in time i might be able to sus the machine out. But at

 

[firty13]

Same guy i spoke of on treasurenet also pronounched a 6in 3khz DD coil in the works from coiltek

 

[Nuke em]

Same guy i spoke of on treasurenet also pronounched a 6in 3khz DD coil in the works from coiltek

Again the wrong size , i think i get it ? maybe they dont want to make a coil that makes the Terra 705 a deeper machine than the ET or CTX ?