Cibola is all over the place

[amberjack]

yeah shippings a killer

as you can see I am making a switch to a few whites detectors see how they go for a bit, and well the Tesoro's are not worth much hardly worth packing to sell so I will keep them and am sure they will get used, I have fishing gear laying around everywhere best I keep it if I need it, costs more to replace than what I get to sell it so that's how I get to keep them its all very solid logic !!

good luck with the new family member !!

AJ

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

yeah shippings a killer

as you can see I am making a switch to a few whites detectors see how they go for a bit, and well the Tesoro's are not worth much hardly worth packing to sell so I will keep them and am sure they will get used, I have fishing gear laying around everywhere best I keep it if I need it, costs more to replace than what I get to sell it so that's how I get to keep them its all very solid logic !!

good luck with the new family member !!

AJ

Good luck with the whites!!! I'm sure I'll make it to them eventually... so much to do with what I have first .

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Well gents, it's not the coil or the detector I don't think.
Proportionally it's the same as the Vaquero.
Here's what I found
So my Cibola needs to be about 8 turns clockwise from all the way counter clockwise. So 80% of the POTs travel.
My Vaquero is all but 1 turn clockwise form the end, so about 2 3/4 out of 3 3/4. So both roughly 80% of each pots travel. +/- for variance in tolerances for the POTs.

So my ground just sucks I guess lol but at least now I know I didn't mess up the mod lol. And they both disc the same way. So win win.

I now have essentially 2 of the same detection functionally haha.

Thanks for all the help gents, time to go find some treasure with these babies!!

 

[pinenut]

Stefan, when you get a chance to compare depth on both using the same coil, let us know what you find out... ^_^

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Stefan, when you get a chance to compare depth on both using the same coil, let us know what you find out... ^_^

Well I don't have a test garden so I can't really test depth.

They both have 9x8 coils or did you mean literally the same coil?

And does anyone know why my ground here is so positive?
Weird because on my Nokta I GB at around 65.

 

[Sven]

Some detectors handle mineralized ground much better than others due to circuitry...2,3,4 filters..................concentric coil DD coils, whatever it was designed around....

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Some detectors handle mineralized ground much better than others due to circuitry...2,3,4 filters..................concentric coil DD coils, whatever it was designed around....

Makes sense.
Explains why the Cibola and vaq are equal in how they balance.
Thanks Sven!!

 

[amberjack]

the compadre is a great machine and its quite in the junk, you start playing with the HOT machines they are sparky and if hunting trash take the Compadre it has the best disc of any Tesoro .


AJ

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

the compadre is a great machine and its quite in the junk, you start playing with the HOT machines they are sparky and if hunting trash take the Compadre it has the best disc of any Tesoro .


AJ

Yeah I'm finally to understand what people mean when they say that different machines work for different areas.
So the outlaw has ED120 right ? Have you ever tried the Bandido II micromax? Many say the outlaw is just the Bandido II micromax with another name and a button rather than a switch. Just curious if there are any other differences.

But I agree the 4 pins are sparky. Not erratic, just sparky.

 

[pinenut]

Stefan, when you get a chance to compare depth on both using the same coil, let us know what you find out... ^_^

Well I don't have a test garden so I can't really test depth.

They both have 9x8 coils or did you mean literally the same coil?

And does anyone know why my ground here is so positive?
Weird because on my Nokta I GB at around 65.

Using the same coil would determine more accurately, but it's not absolutely necessary. Would be interesting to hear your opinion about how the modded Cibola compares to the Vaquero though, as I still don't have a Cibola. ^_^

On another subject, I just bought a 5.75 concentric for my newest Vaquero. I wanted to compare it to the 5.75 Widescan/DD that I have been using. I like the widescan, but some have said the concentric is a bit deeper and easier to pinpoint. I'll see if it works as well in my funky soil conditions that change every few feet.

 

[amberjack]

the compadre is a great machine and its quite in the junk, you start playing with the HOT machines they are sparky and if hunting trash take the Compadre it has the best disc of any Tesoro .


AJ

Yeah I'm finally to understand what people mean when they say that different machines work for different areas.
So the outlaw has ED120 right ? Have you ever tried the Bandido II micromax? Many say the outlaw is just the Bandido II micromax with another name and a button rather than a switch. Just curious if there are any other differences.

But I agree the 4 pins are sparky. Not erratic, just sparky.

if hunting modern trash the small coil compadre is king, the others are to sparky more for moderate to less trash for me anyway and they all have a place and I don't use any bigger than 7" coil on a Tesoro other than the CSC.

I use and recommend the F19 or GBP for high trash its a very under rated coin detector in high trash and ID is what I compare all detectors too Dave J hit a home run with this detector for what I use it for and well they all are not created equal that's for sure, they all have strengths and weaknesses finding out what tool to use for the job at hand is 90% of detecting in my book.

no never used a B2 but the outlaw is a great detector in that mid to open trash hunting remember most of these detectors were made to hunt in iron filled sites not modern trash sites so they do struggle at times with a lot of aluminium, my only advice is turn them down in the trash like even at 1 you will find stuff in modern trashy sites flat out is not always best.

its all part of the fun and why detecting is fun its because there is always something to learn.

AJ

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Yes I agree. It's been a blast so far. I really need to get out more though... been really busy lately.

 

[Sven]

Yeah old man Gilford says the Widescans are not as deep as the concentrics. I sold every Tesoro widescan shortly after buying and trying them.

 

[amberjack]

Isn't modern tech fun sitting at the Dr. Playing on findmall. Nothing new from tesoro sense Jack left us.

AJ

 

[steve1357]

Yeah old man Gilford says the Widescans are not as deep as the concentrics. I sold every Tesoro widescan shortly after buying and trying them.

5.75 widescan is as deep or deeper than the 9x8 concentric in our rusted dirt here in Arkansas.

Can't use a broad brush like that, some people will run out and buy concentrics and discover they are horrible in some areas of the world.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Yeah old man Gilford says the Widescans are not as deep as the concentrics. I sold every Tesoro widescan shortly after buying and trying them.

5.75 widescan is as deep or deeper than the 9x8 concentric in our rusted dirt here in Arkansas.

Can't use a broad brush like that, some people will run out and buy concentrics and discover they are horrible in some areas of the world.

Different strokes for different folks (or area I guess lol)

 

[steve1357]

Yeah old man Gilford says the Widescans are not as deep as the concentrics. I sold every Tesoro widescan shortly after buying and trying them.

5.75 widescan is as deep or deeper than the 9x8 concentric in our rusted dirt here in Arkansas.

Can't use a broad brush like that, some people will run out and buy concentrics and discover they are horrible in some areas of the world.

Different strokes for different folks (or area I guess lol)

Agreed.

But to state concentrics are deeper than a DD coil is not accurate. I have a test garden with some years on it. The concentrics just cant see thru the mineralization whereas the DD coils are substantially deeper. Across all the different detector manufacturers I have.

Let's see what Pinenut says, sounds like he has some dirty dirt.

 

[amberjack]

technically they are deeper

add dirt and differing detectors results will vary.

is that diplomatic enough

AJ

 

[pinenut]

....But to state concentrics are deeper than a DD coil is not accurate. I have a test garden with some years on it. The concentrics just cant see thru the mineralization whereas the DD coils are substantially deeper. Across all the different detector manufacturers I have.

Let's see what Pinenut says, sounds like he has some dirty dirt.

My "dirty dirt" changes everywhere I go. I can have composted pine needles a foot deep, and a few feet away, red clay and rocks. Lots of burried metallic trash to go along with it. I'm in the mountains of Los Padres Forest, and like searching old camp and picnic areas.
The 5.75 widescan has been working OK for me, and getting adequate depth. Less depth than the 11x8, of course, but so much easier to use in the trash (and better around bushes & rocks). My hope for the 5.75 concentric, is that also being small, it won't be too affected by the mineralization, and it will both disc. more accurately and pinpoint better. I should have both new 5.75 concentrics within a couple of days; one for the Vaqueros & Tejon, and one for the Eldorados. I'll let you know what I think of the 5.75 DD and concentrics, compared.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

....But to state concentrics are deeper than a DD coil is not accurate. I have a test garden with some years on it. The concentrics just cant see thru the mineralization whereas the DD coils are substantially deeper. Across all the different detector manufacturers I have.

Let's see what Pinenut says, sounds like he has some dirty dirt.

My "dirty dirt" changes everywhere I go. I can have composted pine needles a foot deep, and a few feet away, red clay and rocks. Lots of burried metallic trash to go along with it. I'm in the mountains of Los Padres Forest, and like searching old camp and picnic areas.
The 5.75 widescan has been working OK for me, and getting adequate depth. Less depth than the 11x8, of course, but so much easier to use in the trash (and better around bushes & rocks). My hope for the 5.75 concentric, is that also being small, it won't be too affected by the mineralization, and it will both disc. more accurately and pinpoint better. I should have both new 5.75 concentrics within a couple of days; one for the Vaqueros & Tejon, and one for the Eldorados. I'll let you know what I think of the 5.75 DD and concentrics, compared.

Well the concentric won't handle mineralization as well as the DD widescan because of its "viewing area".
The DD only "sees" the blade where the two D's intersect and from tip to back. The concentric "sees in a cone from the outside of the coil and inward in an upside down cone. Makes it great for pinpointing bit affected more by mineralization because it "sees" a larger volume of ground at any one time.

I hope I explained that right.
The DD also pinpoints just as well, but just with a different technique. Side to side is the same as concentric to get the lateral center, then either use the tip or the heel by moving the coil either forward or backward. When the signal goes away, the target is right in front or behind the coil depending on which you use.
I use both depending on the situation. Sometimes when the target is lying weird, the threshold tone will drag out using the tip, but abruptly end using the heel, so whichever one drops the signal the best.

You can easily practice with a coin on the ground and it will make more sense. Highest tone laterally from side to side, then either forward or backward to pinpoint off the tip or tail (heel/back) of the coil.

Sometimes I find this easier than finding the center with my solid coils. The 8" donut concentric is the easiest because of the center hole.