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at pro hype

You are right about balance but it seems most manufacturers are going with this all weight forward design these days. The only truly balanced detectors were the ones with the electronics mounted under the armrest so that it counterbalanced the weight of the coil. But that design seems to have fallen out of favor these days. Whites is about the only one still trying for a nice balance but their machines are a lot heavier. I would think this machine can be compared more to another 3lb detector...the X-5. It was an all weight forward type machine yet still not fatiguing to hunt with. For Garrett to have been able to keep the weight down to 3.03lbs the coil must be very lightweight. Since making a waterproof detector usually means a beefier housing as well as the additions of seals and waterproof connectors, etc. adding more weight at the top end. Plus in the video it said it has 3 individually sealed compartments. All adding more weight up top and less weight at the bottom. I think this may turn out to be better balanced than people might think. Obviously not perfect as all the weight is in front of your hand. But still not bad. Anyway for now this is all just conjecture and in a few weeks we will find out for sure. Personally I am looking forward to it! One last point. Most people that get arm fatigue even from lightweight detectors get it because they have the lower shaft adjusted too long making it so that they have their elbow bent instead of straight. If your elbow is bent all the weight of the detector is being supported by your arm muscles causing. If your arm is straight your arm muscles are relaxed and you can hunt much longer without the arm fatigue. JMHO

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Beachcomber
 
[size=large]khouse,
i hear ya. been looking into finding a fix like you suggested. thought the gizmo would do it but it won't work for my size.

i appreciate the differances of people in responcding to this thread. on the one hand there's those who see there are problems and offer solutions to them. very positive people. then there's the folks who choose to go negative. every site has them. ignore the problem. deny the problems. insult those who mention the problems. do not acknowledge the problems that were there before i even bought a machine. by just browsing the differant sites i've seen where brands or models of machines have gained certain reputations. good and bad. i can say i know for a fact the garretts suffer from the bad balance rep. it also has a very good rep as one of the top of the line makers of very good machines. some can handle the bal problem where others can not. thats just the way it is. i'm not an engineer. i don't know why the garretts tear up my shoulders. i just know they do. the white takes a lot longer to do the same thing. i make an observation and the jackels come out.
hype is hype. those with level heads will not fall for it. those level headed people will look for the pro's and the CON's .i sure hope those of you who come across as negative people aren't dealers. i sure wouldn't buy from ya.


i hope the at pro is everything garrett says it is. i for one will try it out somewhere and see if things are better.before i would buy it.[/size]
 
Widebody, I believe the battery in the control head is a cost savings for manufacturers. I think this design is here to stay. I hope all manufacturers go to lightweight powerful machines. There is no reason machines need to weigh 4 pounds. I believe Garrett is going this route with the ATpro.. and maybe more machines? Some manufacturers think customers confuse quality with weight. Maybe in a lawnmower! I was told by a Whites dealer that back in 1967 they asked for lighter weight machines. He told me the factory reps said that they would then have to add weight to them to add quality. When I go hunting it isn't unusual to swing for 4 to 8 hours at a time. Being lightweight is a priority even though I'm not a wimp..
 
[size=large]apparently the early whites were quite heavy. with the newer circuits and microprocessers and such weight was lost and lighter machines came into being. garrett and minelab and others have shown just how much weight can be shed but balance remains a problem for some of us. i haven't given up on the gti 1500. i'm still looking for a way to use one. when i find it i'll get another one and know i'll enjoy it. and i'll find a way to balance my 250 also. if the at pro works out i can save $300 over the cost of a mxt and get a 15 khz machine that's real light-weight. and it looks cool.[/size]
 
The worst hype is done mostly on the forums by people that haven't even used the new detector more so than the actual company. You can believe Garrett did their own hyping in their video as well. Silence can come across as hype to those that know better. A quick example would be the nail and the coin demonstration. Your kinda led to believe that this is something special to the AT Pro and that the results somehow make it better than other detectors when in fact most every detector will pass those same tests easily.
 
Those of us who already know that trick will just shake our heads, but for the beginner , they are led to believe that this is a special feature that only the AT Pro can do ..... Garrett is not alone in this demonstration ....Minelab has the same demonstration in one of thier video's ..... Every detector that comes around the pike DOES have a bunch of hype , and those who will continue to feed it to the masses that helps companies sell more detectors ..... That's business !!..... I hope for the sake of all the folks buying into the hype, that it's all worth it ....... H.H. to everyone !!....Jim
 
the hype doesn't stop soon after introduction either. when looking for my first machine everything was new. i soon found out new was not new. i bought my xlt in may 2010. it was new. the technology was 1994. the same for my gti 1500. the tech is old school. the machine might be new but the tech isn't. when one company intro's a bell or whistle it forces the others to do the same. but only after their followers belly ache about it. the back-light comes to mind. i understand whites came out with it first on the xlt. then their dfx. but that was it. garrett has it on the 1500 and 2500 . i don't know if it's on any other garrett. other companies have it on their higher priced machines as well. garrett is leading the way with this at pro. submergable and 15 khz at a lower price than the others.
as regards the nail & coin trick. whites has it on their vidieo for the original mxt. 1999 techology. there's others on you tube demostrating this same ability. old tech??
but this is new for garrett and the cost for getting this tech just went down. to get the same elsewhere is $800 from whites, $1100 or so from fisher. don't know who else has it. as old as the tech is all should be able. i'm believing this tech is either copyrighted or being doled out. it's just a matter of a micro-chip these days. even the 250 could have it. but then everyone would only buy the one detector as far as the technology goes. i should include that some of this tech is on other machines and has been for a while. just not as compact a package and priced as well as the at pro. i'm sold on the pro but only if it lives up to the hype. then i hope i can swing one. jmho :wiggle:
 
The cheapest Bounty Hunter will do the same. All metal detectors basically work on the same principle. You have to at least have a basic knowledge of how metal detectors work to see why the detector does what it does in these air tests. I can change the outcome of that test dramatically just by changing the angle of the sweep.
 
Crazyman, I know you from the Sovereign forums. Now I have nothing against you, but why do you come into the Garrett forum talking about anything Garrett unless you're grinding an axe?

Hype? Sure, it's called EXCITEMENT! A new Garrett! WOOHOO! Whether it does more or less electronically than 'any other' DOES NOT MATTER. It does more than the others just by it's waterproof aspect alone. The rest will be icing. My guess is it'll be bitter icing to the non-Garrett crowd!

This is getting fun-we're all 'atwitter' with expectation and excitement, and we have the snipers cruising around trying to pick us all off for what reason? At this point I want the detector to meet MY expectations. I suspect it will do that quite handily. What will be great to see is whether the AT will truly blow everybody 'else' away. I HOPE it does because that means we truly would have something new in the detecting world-not because my dog is better than your dog!

All you folks that are so wise as to the ways of fooling newbies with a 'parlor trick' that 'any detector can do', I'm glad you're so smart! Maybe we'll seek your advice before buying our next detector after the AT fails so miserably..

IS IT NOVEMBER YET?
 
Pyledriver said:
Crazyman, I know you from the Sovereign forums. Now I have nothing against you, but why do you come into the Garrett forum talking about anything Garrett unless you're grinding an axe?

Hype? Sure, it's called EXCITEMENT! A new Garrett! WOOHOO! Whether it does more or less electronically than 'any other' DOES NOT MATTER. It does more than the others just by it's waterproof aspect alone. The rest will be icing. My guess is it'll be bitter icing to the non-Garrett crowd!

This is getting fun-we're all 'atwitter' with expectation and excitement, and we have the snipers cruising around trying to pick us all off for what reason? At this point I want the detector to meet MY expectations. I suspect it will do that quite handily. What will be great to see is whether the AT will truly blow everybody 'else' away. I HOPE it does because that means we truly would have something new in the detecting world-not because my dog is better than your dog!

All you folks that are so wise as to the ways of fooling newbies with a 'parlor trick' that 'any detector can do', I'm glad you're so smart! Maybe we'll seek your advice before buying our next detector after the AT fails so miserably..

IS IT NOVEMBER YET?
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Maybe Crazyman is like me, someone that is interested in the AT Pro, but is skeptical of all of the hype being generated by people that haven't even touched the machine. I will say that this is the first Garrett machine that has held my interest since I sold my GTAx 1250 a few years ago. That being said, other than being waterproof, which isn't a selling point for me( I don't water hunt) I don't see where this machine is going to change the detecting world like some are claiming. I'm sure that it will sell well and I'm sure that the machine will do well as a coin shooter and relic hunting machine. But, until the machine is in circulation and field testing is done by average users, we'll have to wade through the hype as best as we can. IMHO two feet on a gold nugget on a jack of all trades machine is stretching things a bit.
 
Hey, I hope that is what he's thinking! Hadn't thought of that, and I'll mention that I have high respect for him as well. HOWEVER, I see a lot naysaying going on as a response to things that I don't think have actually been said! Maybe I should be thankful we have such a concerned crowd that they want to pile into the Garrett forum and tell us how sadly deceived we are in the interest of our own good... Nah, I just don't have appreciation for people going out of their way to 'down' something they don't know anything about! Honestly, it seems to me that some are doing that.

Will it perform to less than what has been advertised? I don't know. I WILL find out. Will the detector be 'junk' if it falls short in some areas-absolutely not. I bought a Scorpion from a lady who's husband had found a lot of nuggets with it-meanwhile the consensus on many forums that it was old and out of date and not worth the money. Was it as good as a later model gold machine, maybe not. Was it capable of finding what it was designed for, absolutely. If the AT Pro does what Garrett SAYS it will do, no more, no less, it will be greatness defined.

Those of us who are pouncing on it and excited don't know any more than has been revealed so far. Those that are skeptics know the same amount of information. We'll all be putting it through it's paces, we all have some level of experience with current machines to realize that the videos show things that are worthy of an eyebrow raise. Those of us that have been successful with Garrett machines are ready to have our world ROCKED with not only something new from Garrett, but a revolutionary machine that would be good for the entire hobby.

Maybe I should jump over to another section of the forum and start putting down machines that have everybody abuzz over there..

IS IT NOVEMBER YET?
 
Let me explain it so even your simple little mind can understand. I've been detecting for many years and I've never been brand loyal. I've said here and on other forums that the new AT pro looks like a great detector and the waterproof housing has peaked my interest but I don't have stardust in my eyes like you and will base my decision to buy on what experienced detectorsts that are not brand loyal like yourself report after some field time as opposed to this over hyped bull some of you are throwing out there without having even held one yet much less used one.
 
There is actually a video of the AT PRO detecting in air, a fairly large gold nugget at nearly 2 feet on youtube. if you dont believe it check it out for yourself.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHHRFAk4ld4
 
All of the gold and many of the multi-purpose machines can air test at big distances but gold fields have lots of heavily mineralized soil that sap depth from every detector. The signal from any ground and from mineralized ground in particular is much, much stronger than the signal generated by targets. The true test of a detector, and one that every detector gets less depth on than air tests, is how it will do picking a tiny gold nugget signal out of huge ground signal where the ground balance is changing every few feet.

So linking to the air test video doesn't say a thing about how well this machine will perform in a real life gold field. I don't believe that it even has a ground tracking function which puts it at a real disadvantage to the machines that do have a fast enough ground tracking function or the PI machines which are not affected by the ground balance when it comes to prospecting.

It would have been really impressive if they had gotten a plastic bucket, put that nugget at the bottom of the bucket, poured 2 feet of black sand on top of it, ground balanced the machine to the black sand, and then detected the nugget under 2 feet of black sand.

That said, Garrett deserves a little leeway when they are showing off their new machine and I have seen other companies do the same sort of air tests when showing off a new machine so it is all par for the course but don't expect to get the same results when you are going after targets in the ground. I am sure that the AT Pro will be an excellent performing relic and coin shooting machine at inland locations or in dry sand at the oceans which is why I have already pre-ordered one. But I don't expect it beat special purpose gold and beach machines at what they were designed to do. If you are a casual prospector or beach hunter who mostly spends their time coin shooting or relic hunting then the AT Pro would be a great choice, but if you want to spend most of your time prospecting or salt water hunting then the Infinium, Scorpion, or the Sea Hunter would be better choices from the Garrett line up
 
Well Crazyman, I may just be a simpleton. I've owned Tesoro, Minelab, Garrett, el cheapo RackShack, and seen other detectors in action, so brand loyal-not necessarily. I just see what looks like a 'hack' and don't appreciate you or anybody else going out of their way to do it. You can insult me personally all you want to, sounds like you just got caught with your hand in the cookie jar to me!

I'm buying an AT Pro. I'll buy it even if Garrett comes out in the next 10 minutes and says it won't work for beans in saltwater. That's where most of the sour grapes folks seem to be streaming in from, as if they're so scared their Minelabs just became outdated or something. Being an 'all terrain, all purpose' detector means it will be a jack of all trades, master of none. The hype I've seen is excitement based on what GARRETT is saying, I really haven't seen anybody else saying it'll do more than advertised. I look at it this way, one of my favorite detectors was an Xterra because of it's versatility, but I don't own it anymore because it didn't like getting wet. Finally somebody is addressing that issue without making a machine too heavy or quirky to use on land for just about everything. That's it.

Why don't you call up Garrett and tell them how smart you are-maybe they'll make you a field tester!
 
You accused me of being a hack and coming over here from the Minelab forum with some ax to grind. First, point out to me any post I've made on this forum or any other trashing this detector in any way. I've said just the opposite. I've only commented on the wild statements about the capabilities of the detector as if it's fact by people that haven't even used one yet. It has nothing to do with the brand either. I recently spoke out and was even more vocal about the hype and deceit in a recent video from Minelab about the GT so that kind of blows your theory doesn't it?
 
Well I may be using a broad brush... To me it just seems that folks are popping out of the woodwork making proclamations of 'no it can't'. I'm not really trying to incite a riot over it but when I read your post, it struck me as negative as well. If I misread your intention then I'm sorry-but calling me a simpleton doesn't help things much either!
 
I certainly hope the new AT Pro does everything Garrett says. But it all boils down to user knowledge, experience, and location. I've got 40+ years in this hobby and have owned many brands of machines. I now have Garrett, Minelab, and Tesoro and all do what they are supposed to. I do not expect a $600 machine to outperform a $1400 machine in equally experienced hands and honestly don't believe anyone else does either. JMHO. HH :minelab::garrett::tesoro:
 
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