Anyone have any experience with the 10" elliptical 4 pin coil?

[Stoof-tabsallday]

I use a small ladies gold ring to test with, to get an idea how to set the discrimination.

Id leave your Bandido at minimum, and Cibola to iron and dig every hit.

If you hate digging trash, you'll never find a gold ring. Gold is just above iron on the conductivity scale. Most can slaw is higher than gold.

That's why we keep saying there are no tricks, no shortcuts, dig everything if you want gold. Period.

Ok I'll try that with the bandido.
That's part of what threw me off was that minimum on the bandido is like just above iron on my others.

Correct. Thats the ed120 ed180 thingy.

I see the same thing between several of my Tesoros.

Break off the pop top off a new coke can without getting hurt. That piece of trash is the same on the conductivity scale to a detector's inards as a small ladies gold ring. Keep digging trash if you want gold.

So my cibola is ed180? I can get iron on that. I thought only the compadre and top end machines were 180.
Thanks for the pointer. I'll set it to accept the pop tab and dig away. While trying to tell the differences in the tone between different targets.

Guys, I know I'm going to dig trash. It's a fact of life even when you want nickels.
I'm not sure what made you think I don't think I'll dig trash, but I understand it's a part of it. Especially for gold.

I got the impression about trash by your statement earlier: "Was digging trash left and right. In came the deleon fresh from tesoro with the rebuilt troy and detector tuned to it and wow. Quarter, nickles, and dimes.... oh my lol."

Concerning ed120/180, some say there's a ed160, and even Tesoro's website is wrong. They list the Cibola at ED120.

My Vaquero works like ED120, on minimum discrimination, it still blocks nails. While the Cibola on minimum is practically zero discrimination. But the Vaquero has an all metal switch while the Cibola doesn't. Maybe that's an easy way to discern the difference.

Now you know you're good when you can hear the difference between that pop tab and a gold ring even though the VDI is the same. There are people here that can......

Haha well I prefer my non VDI tesoros right now. Still love and will always love my relic, but tesoros are my main go to right now.
With my Cibola modded I have the all metal and GB.
With time I hope to learn them all better. I got really good with my compadre and although the tesoros are the same principle, my others aren't the same as the compadre. Just need to put in the time I have with the conpadre. Hard to use the others when I know I can do well with the conpadre.
Funny how my cheapest machine is my favorite... but that's probably because I have to most time on it.
And about the comment I made, I had no point of reference with the bandido, so literally all trash. I'll get the hang of it. Especially with discing until the tab just comes in. That will help.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

It could have also been that I felt almost clueless when using the bandido. Who knows.

 

[amberjack]

I agree get to know one machine very well , which means getting to know what's in the ground, really its not so much the detector but what's in the ground and we learn that by using one detector, then after say 500hrs the others will be a whole heap easier to use.

its easy to use a metal detector but its hard to learn a metal detector and I am no expert I learn something every time I go detecting or I relearn something, its like anything in life we usually get out what we put in.

so I don't tell anyone what to do if I can help it because we are all different and well getting detectorists to agree on things is like juggling cats.

so use the one you like for 500 hrs then start with the others, I can say this to you because I have done this, and it works

but when you churn it down its really just hard work and some understanding of electricity , and minerals and metals, don't need a degree but an understanding.

I like fishing and I spent a lot of years not catching to much and then its started to come together and now I can catch fish pretty much anywhere if I want.

same as detecting it takes time its just that simple.

I just spent a good hr cleaning my CTX and its looking well 4 years old its done some work , pretty much think it will be with me till it dies, doesn't owe me anything, so just keep using it hey but yeah done some work. and that's a good thing that's what its for !!



AJ

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

I agree get to know one machine very well , which means getting to know what's in the ground, really its not so much the detector but what's in the ground and we learn that by using one detector, then after say 500hrs the others will be a whole heap easier to use.

its easy to use a metal detector but its hard to learn a metal detector and I am no expert I learn something every time I go detecting or I relearn something, its like anything in life we usually get out what we put in.

so I don't tell anyone what to do if I can help it because we are all different and well getting detectorists to agree on things is like juggling cats.

so use the one you like for 500 hrs then start with the others, I can say this to you because I have done this, and it works

but when you churn it down its really just hard work and some understanding of electricity , and minerals and metals, don't need a degree but an understanding.

I like fishing and I spent a lot of years not catching to much and then its started to come together and now I can catch fish pretty much anywhere if I want.

same as detecting it takes time its just that simple.

I just spent a good hr cleaning my CTX and its looking well 4 years old its done some work , pretty much think it will be with me till it dies, doesn't owe me anything, so just keep using it hey but yeah done some work. and that's a good thing that's what its for !!



AJ

I do live the compadre, but a little voice inside still whispers that it's cheap and I need to learn the "nicer" models. Haha. I think the bandido would be a good one. Since the cibola has a more similar disc knob and labeling, good with the compadre will assist with that.
I dunno. I just grab what tickles my fancy that day.
But I have alot of coil options for that bandido, so I will spend some time getting to know that one.
Maybe today, maybe the compadre. Who know!!!
That's kinda half the fun.

 

[steve1357]

It could have also been that I felt almost clueless when using the bandido. Who knows.

A new project for you could be to add a connector to the Compadre so you can change coils.

Of course that pop top will simulate a small ladies gold ring, but if you discriminate out everything below that, you're still missing that ladies gold earring with a fat diamond!!

Digging everything isn't clueless. It's what is required if you want to find gold. A simple search for pull tabs and gold rings on the Internet will bring up post after post after post of peoples' experiences of digging buckets of trash before finding a ring. Just the way it is.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

It could have also been that I felt almost clueless when using the bandido. Who knows.

A new project for you could be to add a connector to the Compadre so you can change coils.

Of course that pop top will simulate a small ladies gold ring, but if you discriminate out everything below that, you're still missing that ladies gold earring with a fat diamond!!

Digging everything isn't clueless. It's what is required if you want to find gold. A simple search for pull tabs and gold rings on the Internet will bring up post after post after post of peoples' experiences of digging buckets of trash before finding a ring. Just the way it is.

I considered the interchangeable coil mod, but without GB adjust would work well anyway. Each coil gb different.
I like the compadre just the way it is. And I'll buy the 5.75 and keep lifetime warranty on both lol.

 

[Mega]

Totally agree with AJ about spending a fair amount of time learning just one machine and mastering it before picking all the others up,my DFX is a 2001 vintage machine and has had 1000s of hours on the clock,its also found me some stunning finds,but even after all this time i am still learning new tricks with it.I do have a 'few ' other machines but these are mainly for site specific use,but they still get some hours on the clock as well.

Once you have learn't one machine it all seems to fit into place,some are harder to learn that other,but the main priority with detecting is the fact that i still enjoy it after all these years,as soon as it starts getting a chore then i take a break from detecting for a short time duration.

Its very easy to chase the detecting rainbow as i call it,buying up many machines because the last one that you have just bought and only used it for a few hours has not found you that pot of gold,so the machine must be rubbish,then we see another machine and must have it,but usually ends up with the same results as the last few,no pot of gold,the cycle starts again.But someone who has say a 20 year old machine and has learn't everything about it can find some very nice finds in almost all site situations,why ??? because he has full understand of not only his machine but the locations that folks are likely to have dropped gold rings and other high end jewellery items etc.

Just pick one machine and use it,just maybe carry another one with you as a backup or a different coil combination and learn learn learn and hone your detecting skills,those can only be hone by putting in the time with one machine for starters.

Good luck and may your find bag over flow with nice fins,but dont chase the detecting rainbow just yet.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Totally agree with AJ about spending a fair amount of time learning just one machine and mastering it before picking all the others up,my DFX is a 2001 vintage machine and has had 1000s of hours on the clock,its also found me some stunning finds,but even after all this time i am still learning new tricks with it.I do have a 'few ' other machines but these are mainly for site specific use,but they still get some hours on the clock as well.

Once you have learn't one machine it all seems to fit into place,some are harder to learn that other,but the main priority with detecting is the fact that i still enjoy it after all these years,as soon as it starts getting a chore then i take a break from detecting for a short time duration.

Its very easy to chase the detecting rainbow as i call it,buying up many machines because the last one that you have just bought and only used it for a few hours has not found you that pot of gold,so the machine must be rubbish,then we see another machine and must have it,but usually ends up with the same results as the last few,no pot of gold,the cycle starts again.But someone who has say a 20 year old machine and has learn't everything about it can find some very nice finds in almost all site situations,why ??? because he has full understand of not only his machine but the locations that folks are likely to have dropped gold rings and other high end jewellery items etc.

Just pick one machine and use it,just maybe carry another one with you as a backup or a different coil combination and learn learn learn and hone your detecting skills,those can only be hone by putting in the time with one machine for starters.

Good luck and may your find bag over flow with nice fins,but dont chase the detecting rainbow just yet.

Good call. We'll it's a toss up between the bandido and the compadre. I know they seem like apples to oranges, but my compadre is great in my soil and a really hot one. It's simplicity is what drew me to it. I can focus on the swinging and the digging per se.
I've already logged 50 or so hours with it so I'll probably keep going. Taking a break to take the others for a spin from time to time. Whatever keeps it fun. It becomes a chore, then they all just sit in the closet.
Thanks for all the tips gents.
In the future I'll be grabbing either the tesoro elliptical or the cors fortune for the cibola. Not a fan of the stock coil for some reason....

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Made my first step last night....
Started to bid on a lobo supertraq but stopped. Only went for 310 lol. But I can add some more to that and get a racer 2 later or something.
I think I have enough tesoros for a while.
But it was a good first step!

 

[amberjack]

JMHO you have a relic , don't need a R2 , grab a minelab etrac and get to feel what real solid ID ing feels like, if your a park hunter and don't own a minelab you are missing out , sorry but its the truth and I am not a minelab fan boy , you wont have to read to much of my postings in the ctx forum to work that out.

but for park hunting and ID ing coins there is no rival.

AJ

 

[amberjack]

if I could have 3 only from my list, it would be CTX, F19 and a 4 Pin Tesoro. and funny enough those are the 3 machines I have big hrs on like 1000 of hrs.

that's all I really need the rest are fluff and my need to have more a couple I don't even use they are collectors items.

and a couple I want to try out cause I can, don't need them though.

AJ

 

[steve1357]

JMHO you have a relic , don't need a R2 , grab a minelab etrac and get to feel what real solid ID ing feels like, if your a park hunter and don't own a minelab you are missing out , sorry but its the truth and I am not a minelab fan boy , you wont have to read to much of my postings in the ctx forum to work that out.

but for park hunting and ID ing coins there is no rival.

AJ

I have to hear why not owning a Minelab is missing out....

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

JMHO you have a relic , don't need a R2 , grab a minelab etrac and get to feel what real solid ID ing feels like, if your a park hunter and don't own a minelab you are missing out , sorry but its the truth and I am not a minelab fan boy , you wont have to read to much of my postings in the ctx forum to work that out.

but for park hunting and ID ing coins there is no rival.

AJ

Only issue I currently have is the price vs. The various comparison tests I've seen up against cheaper detectors.
Those are crazy expensive to me. Etrac is 1500, 1000 used and the ctx is well alot more.
Not ready to spend that much on one detector. Lol yet...

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

And the R2 (or impact hopefully releasing soon) more because of the ergonomics. Screen in a different area, weight distribution, etc. I know the R2 is essentially the same but it's also different. I dunno.

 

[steve1357]

It could have also been that I felt almost clueless when using the bandido. Who knows.

A new project for you could be to add a connector to the Compadre so you can change coils.

Of course that pop top will simulate a small ladies gold ring, but if you discriminate out everything below that, you're still missing that ladies gold earring with a fat diamond!!

Digging everything isn't clueless. It's what is required if you want to find gold. A simple search for pull tabs and gold rings on the Internet will bring up post after post after post of peoples' experiences of digging buckets of trash before finding a ring. Just the way it is.

I considered the interchangeable coil mod, but without GB adjust would work well anyway. Each coil gb different.
I like the compadre just the way it is. And I'll buy the 5.75 and keep lifetime warranty on both lol.

I have the 5.75 Compadre, was wondering how much deeper the 8 would be. Let me know when you get both!

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

It could have also been that I felt almost clueless when using the bandido. Who knows.

A new project for you could be to add a connector to the Compadre so you can change coils.

Of course that pop top will simulate a small ladies gold ring, but if you discriminate out everything below that, you're still missing that ladies gold earring with a fat diamond!!

Digging everything isn't clueless. It's what is required if you want to find gold. A simple search for pull tabs and gold rings on the Internet will bring up post after post after post of peoples' experiences of digging buckets of trash before finding a ring. Just the way it is.

I considered the interchangeable coil mod, but without GB adjust would work well anyway. Each coil gb different.
I like the compadre just the way it is. And I'll buy the 5.75 and keep lifetime warranty on both lol.

I have the 5.75 Compadre, was wondering how much deeper the 8 would be. Let me know when you get both!

Well the general rule of thumb is it goes as deep as the coil is wide but there's variance in there like how your sensitivity is set at the factory

 

[steve1357]

It could have also been that I felt almost clueless when using the bandido. Who knows.

A new project for you could be to add a connector to the Compadre so you can change coils.

Of course that pop top will simulate a small ladies gold ring, but if you discriminate out everything below that, you're still missing that ladies gold earring with a fat diamond!!

Digging everything isn't clueless. It's what is required if you want to find gold. A simple search for pull tabs and gold rings on the Internet will bring up post after post after post of peoples' experiences of digging buckets of trash before finding a ring. Just the way it is.

I considered the interchangeable coil mod, but without GB adjust would work well anyway. Each coil gb different.
I like the compadre just the way it is. And I'll buy the 5.75 and keep lifetime warranty on both lol.

I have the 5.75 Compadre, was wondering how much deeper the 8 would be. Let me know when you get both!

Well the general rule of thumb is it goes as deep as the coil is wide but there's variance in there like how your sensitivity is set at the factory

I think my 5.75 concentric will be fine. Plan was to get something to hunt shallow creeks that dry up in the summer. If I drop it, well it's better than dropping a detector that cost a lot more. Mostly be hunting around larger rocks and eddyies where things tend to collect. Friends tell me they have already hit the swimming pools in these creeks pretty hard, but they all admit they haven't just took off walking downstream below the swimming hole. I'm thinking the lighter stuff washes higher and the heavier stays in the channel.

Probably find a lot of hair pins....lol

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

It could have also been that I felt almost clueless when using the bandido. Who knows.

A new project for you could be to add a connector to the Compadre so you can change coils.

Of course that pop top will simulate a small ladies gold ring, but if you discriminate out everything below that, you're still missing that ladies gold earring with a fat diamond!!

Digging everything isn't clueless. It's what is required if you want to find gold. A simple search for pull tabs and gold rings on the Internet will bring up post after post after post of peoples' experiences of digging buckets of trash before finding a ring. Just the way it is.

I considered the interchangeable coil mod, but without GB adjust would work well anyway. Each coil gb different.
I like the compadre just the way it is. And I'll buy the 5.75 and keep lifetime warranty on both lol.

I have the 5.75 Compadre, was wondering how much deeper the 8 would be. Let me know when you get both!

Well the general rule of thumb is it goes as deep as the coil is wide but there's variance in there like how your sensitivity is set at the factory

I think my 5.75 concentric will be fine. Plan was to get something to hunt shallow creeks that dry up in the summer. If I drop it, well it's better than dropping a detector that cost a lot more. Mostly be hunting around larger rocks and eddyies where things tend to collect. Friends tell me they have already hit the swimming pools in these creeks pretty hard, but they all admit they haven't just took off walking downstream below the swimming hole. I'm thinking the lighter stuff washes higher and the heavier stays in the channel.

Probably find a lot of hair pins....lol

Oh I'm sure it will be. I just like the 8 because of its coverage. Still very very sensitive to smaller items, though by rights the 5.75 should be better with that.
But I'm glad I got the 8 first.
If/when I get the 5.75 it will be for specific reasons, but my 8 is literally, for now, my favorite detector out of what I have.
In fairness it's the one I have the most time on. I'm sure that may change later once I get the hang of my other ones.