Anyone have any experience with the 10" elliptical 4 pin coil?

[Stoof-tabsallday]

its your money man, buy the hell what ever you want I recon I have a box full of coils of all sorts and shapes sizes, and I don't care what anyone thinks, but they do get sold off if not used for 3 years if they cant make to the ground in that time I don't need them

just trying to see if a marsMD will fit on my MX5 to test that brand coil waiting on that response.

its a fun sport spending money on gear is part of the fun and the pain

so hell you got a long way to go catch me and even further to some of the guys on here, I am just small time back yard funster

so spend away I say but don't forget to add a minelab just so you get to know some Aussie tech after all no one has come close to us yet for gold or park deep ID ing machines no 2 ways they are the best, but then its 2.5K for a CTX but despite its biggest flaw I have yet to use a detector that can find mid to high conductors as good as it , its a whole new ball game for park hunting.

leave that one with ya if you want to spend some cash get the best 1st then get some toys to play with.

and that's it minelab we are now fully square for the nice favour you did me.

AJ

Do you have the 4 pin 10 elliptical? If so how is it on your vaq?

 

[amberjack]

no I couldn't bare the cable so haven't bought one sure they work fine though all my Tesoro coils work well.

yeah those who miss out on the minelab experience , well they miss out which is fine by me but can always pick up a used etrac pretty cheap now.

seriously there is no better detector for park hunting mid to high conductors it is king. and CTX is a whole new level up, sure the others find stuff but they miss a lot.

anyway I do not own shares in Codan what I was saying is that our Aussie Tech is well not been beaten yet many have tried all have failed

yeah the Turks are having a shot its great to see and I bought one to check it out, they still have 20 odd years to catch up in a lot of areas but they are heading in the right direction

AJ

 

[steve1357]

Haha thanks.
No I like the modded cibola and see no need to sell it.
I have my 5 pin coils that work for all my epsilon detectors but my cibola is my only 4 pin, so I'll have to buy mre coils to use more coils. The stock coil is ok. Not a fan of its size really.
My soil is good here. Besides the cibola, all my detectors GB about even on the knob.

Haha im not trying to buy the same coils for the different detectors. Only shopping for a 4 pin for my one 4 pin detector.

Why would you say I wouldn't be inpressed?

Would a cors coil be better?

If not the 10 elliptical, which would you recommend for the modded cibola?
I wanted that one because it's width should give good separation but it's length gives good coverage being a DD widescan. At least that's what my relic elliptical does.

On my dirty dirt here, getting the new 11x8 RSD blew everything away. Can you imagine your Cibola just as deep as your "twice as heavy, twice the price" fors relic?

Let me know!

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Haha thanks.
No I like the modded cibola and see no need to sell it.
I have my 5 pin coils that work for all my epsilon detectors but my cibola is my only 4 pin, so I'll have to buy mre coils to use more coils. The stock coil is ok. Not a fan of its size really.
My soil is good here. Besides the cibola, all my detectors GB about even on the knob.

Haha im not trying to buy the same coils for the different detectors. Only shopping for a 4 pin for my one 4 pin detector.

Why would you say I wouldn't be inpressed?

Would a cors coil be better?

If not the 10 elliptical, which would you recommend for the modded cibola?
I wanted that one because it's width should give good separation but it's length gives good coverage being a DD widescan. At least that's what my relic elliptical does.

On my dirty dirt here, getting the new 11x8 RSD blew everything away. Can you imagine your Cibola just as deep as your "twice as heavy, twice the price" fors relic?

Let me know!

Haha its plenty deep enough with the stock coil. The RSD seems a bit pricey for what I want to do with it.
It will be a park hunter so don't really need it that deep.
I've heard impressive things about those new coils though!!

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Haha My mistake. Wrong coil.
I've seen the 11x8 though.
With they had a slightly smaller one.
The cors coil would be another option but I like the solid body of the tesoro elliptical

 

[steve1357]

Haha My mistake. Wrong coil.
I've seen the 11x8 though.
With they had a slightly smaller one.
The cors coil would be another option but I like the solid body of the tesoro elliptical

I have NEL coils on other detectors. I dont see any difference in performance in them and factory DD coils. Basically the bigger the coil, the deeper it goes. Concentric coils here are horrible, you can literally pick up a handfull of dirt here and have rust on your hands lol. In places in my yard, the changes in the dirt sets off a detector.

I do like a solid coil better, doesn't catch and hang up so much when I'm hunting a ragged location.

At least with the Nel/Cors coils, you'll be getting DD instead of concentric, but they are not solid like the elliptical you like.

I thought you would be interested in replacing your fors relic with something as deep, half the weight, and a single 9v battery. That's just me. I'm tired of swinging a F75 all day, especially a Garrett with 8 AA batteries.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Haha My mistake. Wrong coil.
I've seen the 11x8 though.
With they had a slightly smaller one.
The cors coil would be another option but I like the solid body of the tesoro elliptical

I have NEL coils on other detectors. I dont see any difference in performance in them and factory DD coils. Basically the bigger the coil, the deeper it goes. Concentric coils here are horrible, you can literally pick up a handfull of dirt here and have rust on your hands lol. In places in my yard, the changes in the dirt sets off a detector.

I do like a solid coil better, doesn't catch and hang up so much when I'm hunting a ragged location.

At least with the Nel/Cors coils, you'll be getting DD instead of concentric, but they are not solid like the elliptical you like.

I thought you would be interested in replacing your fors relic with something as deep, half the weight, and a single 9v battery. That's just me. I'm tired of swinging a F75 all day, especially a Garrett with 8 AA batteries.

Nah the relic may weigh more, but it's perfectly balanced so doesn't feel much heavier.
It only uses 4 AA and I've got at least 30 hours on one set and it's still reading 1 bar less than full.
That thing is insane with batteries.
Would trade the relic for the world lol.
Only because I don't want to detect that deep right nw is why I'm using my tesoros.

 

[steve1357]

That Cors Shrew looks great. 6.5x3.5 DD! Combined with how deep your Cibola is, should be a trashy park killer.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

That Cors Shrew looks great. 6.5x3.5 DD! Combined with how deep your Cibola is, should be a trashy park killer.

I was looking at that one. Solid coil too. Only 6.5 but my 7" troy just had a GREAT day in an open area, so that shouldn't be an issue for coverage. Was gonna run the bandido, and did try for a little, but the numbers on the disc were throwing me off. Need some time in with it to learn it. So far I know 7-8 can be a penny, but beyond that, I'm lost. Was digging trash left and right.
In came the deleon fresh from tesoro with the rebuilt troy and detector tuned to it and wow. Quarter, nickles, and dimes.... oh my lol.
Had the best clad day yet with it.
But I need time with the bandido. And more time with the cibola. The cibola has a different disc than my compadre. Nickles fall out on the line way before nickel. But it's not bad.
Just need time with them all I guess.
But the deleon killed it today!!!

 

[steve1357]

That Cors Shrew looks great. 6.5x3.5 DD! Combined with how deep your Cibola is, should be a trashy park killer.

I was looking at that one. Solid coil too. Only 6.5 but my 7" troy just had a GREAT day in an open area, so that shouldn't be an issue for coverage. Was gonna run the bandido, and did try for a little, but the numbers on the disc were throwing me off. Need some time in with it to learn it. So far I know 7-8 can be a penny, but beyond that, I'm lost. Was digging trash left and right.
In came the deleon fresh from tesoro with the rebuilt troy and detector tuned to it and wow. Quarter, nickles, and dimes.... oh my lol.
Had the best clad day yet with it.
But I need time with the bandido. And more time with the cibola. The cibola has a different disc than my compadre. Nickles fall out on the line way before nickel. But it's not bad.
Just need time with them all I guess.
But the deleon killed it today!!!

You're addicted to the VDI......

You want a gold ring, keep digging trash!

A ladies gold ring will come up as a foil gum wrapper, way below any aluminum trash you're trying to discriminate out.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

That Cors Shrew looks great. 6.5x3.5 DD! Combined with how deep your Cibola is, should be a trashy park killer.

I was looking at that one. Solid coil too. Only 6.5 but my 7" troy just had a GREAT day in an open area, so that shouldn't be an issue for coverage. Was gonna run the bandido, and did try for a little, but the numbers on the disc were throwing me off. Need some time in with it to learn it. So far I know 7-8 can be a penny, but beyond that, I'm lost. Was digging trash left and right.
In came the deleon fresh from tesoro with the rebuilt troy and detector tuned to it and wow. Quarter, nickles, and dimes.... oh my lol.
Had the best clad day yet with it.
But I need time with the bandido. And more time with the cibola. The cibola has a different disc than my compadre. Nickles fall out on the line way before nickel. But it's not bad.
Just need time with them all I guess.
But the deleon killed it today!!!

You're addicted to the VDI......

You want a gold ring, keep digging trash!

A ladies gold ring will come up as a foil gum wrapper, way below any aluminum trash.

Nah. Wasnt watching the numbers. Was watching the graphs!! Lol. But seriously I've been using my cibola and compadre for the last couple weeks. One short run with the relic, but I was going too deep for the area I'm hunting right now.

 

[steve1357]

That Cors Shrew looks great. 6.5x3.5 DD! Combined with how deep your Cibola is, should be a trashy park killer.

I was looking at that one. Solid coil too. Only 6.5 but my 7" troy just had a GREAT day in an open area, so that shouldn't be an issue for coverage. Was gonna run the bandido, and did try for a little, but the numbers on the disc were throwing me off. Need some time in with it to learn it. So far I know 7-8 can be a penny, but beyond that, I'm lost. Was digging trash left and right.
In came the deleon fresh from tesoro with the rebuilt troy and detector tuned to it and wow. Quarter, nickles, and dimes.... oh my lol.
Had the best clad day yet with it.
But I need time with the bandido. And more time with the cibola. The cibola has a different disc than my compadre. Nickles fall out on the line way before nickel. But it's not bad.
Just need time with them all I guess.
But the deleon killed it today!!!

I feel you havent learned the conductivity scale and where gold lies on it.

If you only want to dig everything above a copper penny, you will never find a gold ring. Seriously.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

That Cors Shrew looks great. 6.5x3.5 DD! Combined with how deep your Cibola is, should be a trashy park killer.

I was looking at that one. Solid coil too. Only 6.5 but my 7" troy just had a GREAT day in an open area, so that shouldn't be an issue for coverage. Was gonna run the bandido, and did try for a little, but the numbers on the disc were throwing me off. Need some time in with it to learn it. So far I know 7-8 can be a penny, but beyond that, I'm lost. Was digging trash left and right.
In came the deleon fresh from tesoro with the rebuilt troy and detector tuned to it and wow. Quarter, nickles, and dimes.... oh my lol.
Had the best clad day yet with it.
But I need time with the bandido. And more time with the cibola. The cibola has a different disc than my compadre. Nickles fall out on the line way before nickel. But it's not bad.
Just need time with them all I guess.
But the deleon killed it today!!!

I feel you havent learned the conductivity scale and where gold lies on it.

If you only want to dig everything above a copper penny, you will never find a gold ring. Seriously.

Haha I know. I dug lots of nickles and still found trash.
I wanted to just grab my compadre. That thing is lucky to me.
But needed to run the deleon at least once since getting it back from the shop.

And to be honest, I don't really know. Everyone says everywhere from above iron to pull tab and sometimes below zinc I guess.
But mostly from below foil to after pull tab is what people say. But the number system is different to me. Iron won't even ring in at no disc on my bandido, so I can't go by the same scale on the thin as my other tesoros.

 

[amberjack]

time takes time.

AJ

 

[steve1357]

I use a small ladies gold ring to test with, to get an idea how to set the discrimination.

Id leave your Bandido at minimum, and Cibola to iron and dig every hit.

If you hate digging trash, you'll never find a gold ring. Gold is just above iron on the conductivity scale. Most can slaw is higher than gold.

That's why we keep saying there are no tricks, no shortcuts, dig everything if you want gold. Period.

 

[amberjack]

have a quick wiz through this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity

there are so many variables in play when detecting, probably the guys making the detectors don't even understand.

I have some theory's but they are just that and sense I don't have a science degree and multi million $ lab they will stay just that.

interesting though.

AJ

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

I use a small ladies gold ring to test with, to get an idea how to set the discrimination.

Id leave your Bandido at minimum, and Cibola to iron and dig every hit.

If you hate digging trash, you'll never find a gold ring. Gold is just above iron on the conductivity scale. Most can slaw is higher than gold.

That's why we keep saying there are no tricks, no shortcuts, dig everything if you want gold. Period.

Ok I'll try that with the bandido.
That's part of what threw me off was that minimum on the bandido is like just above iron on my others.

 

[steve1357]

I use a small ladies gold ring to test with, to get an idea how to set the discrimination.

Id leave your Bandido at minimum, and Cibola to iron and dig every hit.

If you hate digging trash, you'll never find a gold ring. Gold is just above iron on the conductivity scale. Most can slaw is higher than gold.

That's why we keep saying there are no tricks, no shortcuts, dig everything if you want gold. Period.

Ok I'll try that with the bandido.
That's part of what threw me off was that minimum on the bandido is like just above iron on my others.

Correct. Thats the ed120 ed180 thingy.

I see the same thing between several of my Tesoros.

Break off the pop top off a new coke can without getting hurt. That piece of trash is the same on the conductivity scale to a detector's inards as a small ladies gold ring. Keep digging trash if you want gold.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

I use a small ladies gold ring to test with, to get an idea how to set the discrimination.

Id leave your Bandido at minimum, and Cibola to iron and dig every hit.

If you hate digging trash, you'll never find a gold ring. Gold is just above iron on the conductivity scale. Most can slaw is higher than gold.

That's why we keep saying there are no tricks, no shortcuts, dig everything if you want gold. Period.

Ok I'll try that with the bandido.
That's part of what threw me off was that minimum on the bandido is like just above iron on my others.

Correct. Thats the ed120 ed180 thingy.

I see the same thing between several of my Tesoros.

Break off the pop top off a new coke can without getting hurt. That piece of trash is the same on the conductivity scale to a detector's inards as a small ladies gold ring. Keep digging trash if you want gold.

So my cibola is ed180? I can get iron on that. I thought only the compadre and top end machines were 180.
Thanks for the pointer. I'll set it to accept the pop tab and dig away. While trying to tell the differences in the tone between different targets.

Guys, I know I'm going to dig trash. It's a fact of life even when you want nickels.
I'm not sure what made you think I don't think I'll dig trash, but I understand it's a part of it. Especially for gold.

 

[steve1357]

I use a small ladies gold ring to test with, to get an idea how to set the discrimination.

Id leave your Bandido at minimum, and Cibola to iron and dig every hit.

If you hate digging trash, you'll never find a gold ring. Gold is just above iron on the conductivity scale. Most can slaw is higher than gold.

That's why we keep saying there are no tricks, no shortcuts, dig everything if you want gold. Period.

Ok I'll try that with the bandido.
That's part of what threw me off was that minimum on the bandido is like just above iron on my others.

Correct. Thats the ed120 ed180 thingy.

I see the same thing between several of my Tesoros.

Break off the pop top off a new coke can without getting hurt. That piece of trash is the same on the conductivity scale to a detector's inards as a small ladies gold ring. Keep digging trash if you want gold.

So my cibola is ed180? I can get iron on that. I thought only the compadre and top end machines were 180.
Thanks for the pointer. I'll set it to accept the pop tab and dig away. While trying to tell the differences in the tone between different targets.

Guys, I know I'm going to dig trash. It's a fact of life even when you want nickels.
I'm not sure what made you think I don't think I'll dig trash, but I understand it's a part of it. Especially for gold.

I got the impression about trash by your statement earlier: "Was digging trash left and right. In came the deleon fresh from tesoro with the rebuilt troy and detector tuned to it and wow. Quarter, nickles, and dimes.... oh my lol."

Concerning ed120/180, some say there's a ed160, and even Tesoro's website is wrong. They list the Cibola at ED120.

My Vaquero works like ED120, on minimum discrimination, it still blocks nails. While the Cibola on minimum is practically zero discrimination. But the Vaquero has an all metal switch while the Cibola doesn't. Maybe that's an easy way to discern the difference. The Compadre is ED180 so it's not just their high end models have ED180.

Now you know you're good when you can hear the difference between that pop tab and a gold ring even though the VDI is the same. There are people here that can......