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Xterra 705 vs Etrac or SE pro

David said:
Digger(Randy), very good info, so an E-Trac can not ground balance but a CTX-3030 can ground balance. Then if a person is working very high mineralization a CTX-3030 is a better choice. But I thought the inherit cabilities of FBS technology made it handle all types of mineralization better than(not including wet saltwater sand) all single frequency VLF technology.?? Maybe I was wrong.
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You are partly correct.......the E-TRAC does not have a manual Ground Balance. The E-TRAC incorporates FBS technology. The CTX 3030 allows the option of implementing ground balance. The CTX 3030 is FBS2 technology. FBS technology is not the same as FBS2 technology. Neither are the same as VLF technology. And VFLEX is different still. If you took some of the concept (not technology, concept) introduced with the X-TERRA, and merged it with some of the functionality of the FBS units, the CTX 3030 offers much of what that "blend" would represent. Smart coil....digital signalling....Patterns......GB option....FE/CO TID......Auto Sens.......etc. JMHO HH Randy
 
Digger (Randy), the Sovereign GT(BBS) has Auto ground balance only in 'true' All-Metal mode and not in Discriminate mode

1)--Does the CTX-3030 have ground balance in both 'true' All-Metal mode and Discriminate mode.??

2)--Is the CTX-3030's ground balance a Manual, Auto, or both.??

Thank you.
 
Unlike the X-TERRA, there is no specific "All Metal" mode on the CTX 3030. Like the X-TERRA, the CTX 3030 discrimination is built on the basis of Patterns. If you set one of your Patterns with zero discrimination, it is as close to All Metal as you will get with the CTX 3030. Ground balance on the CTX-3030 is done Automatically by the detector. You cannot adjust it, or offset it, as you can with the X-TERRA.
 
Thanks. I've really not been too far away.......just pretty busy with another project for the past couple months. HH Randy
 
David said:
Thank you for that firty13.

Goes4ever, Wow, thank you very much, that is one of the very best informative reviews I have ever read....but I wonder if the E-Trac is much better than the X-Terra 70(5) when working in highly mineralized gound do you or anyone know.??
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The straight honest answer David, to you're question re the E-Trac being much better than the XTerra on highly mineralized ground, is that the ETrac....no offence to the lovers....is useless on highly mineralized ground in comparison to the XTerra, actually to all three of them. Bbs Fbs....cannot compete in highly mineralized ground with the sharper single freq units. That's it in a nutshell, regardless of makers hype or users that think otherwise. And again...no offence meant.
 
Oh...and just to clear up some some much debated mis-understandings.

Bbs and Fbs units are most definently Not deeper than XTerra's on any ground. You'll notice I did not mention wet ocean sand.
 
argyle said:
Oh...and just to clear up some some much debated mis-understandings.

Bbs and Fbs units are most definently Not deeper than XTerra's on any ground. You'll notice I did not mention wet ocean sand.
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like its been said the machines complement each other rather then compete directly, this is why i didnt sell my xterra to fund me EX SE
 
In a nutshell the reason for being of the BBS/FBS/FBS2 is discrimination at depth. Being able to correctly identify via tone or screen ID a target at the limit of detection for the particular detector and coil combination. There are some very expensive single and multi-frequency detectors on the market today that can signal the presence of a target let's say for example say at 10 inches, but can only correctly identify to seven inches. That's the bread and butter of those BBS/FBS/FBS2 machines. If you are hunting deep silver coins then they rule the roost for that type of hunting. If you inland detect most of the time and hit saltwater beaches some times, then you are all set because they will deal with ocean beaches. ML developed the technology and positioned it in their product line up as a premium product because their competitors didn't have an equivalent technology. If you ask around on other product forums you may find a certain amount of resentment for various reasons either real or perceived of ML and BBS/FBS/FBS2.

The Terras were developed to fill in an area of the product line where ML was lacking. A lower/mid range price point TDI/VDI series but with a few twists to make them competitive. The specific head to head target for the 70/705 was the White's MXT. The Terras are multi-frequency detectors, just one at a time. And that means you can adapt the detector to the targets you are looking for. For deep silver choose 3KHz or 7.5KHz, for low conductors brass/gold choose 18.75KHz. And one area where the Terras are more responsive than BBS/FBS/FBS2 is on low conductors like small gold. The 705 with the flip of a switch will turn into a prospecting detector if you want to do that. Will they handle bad ground like a GPX? No, but they're a $700 detector not a $5K detector, but the GPX in a city park would drive you insane and the 705 is a much better tool.

A good plan might be to sit down and make a list of what targets you are after, what kind of ground they're in.

BB
 
Hi Mick how have you been keeping....good I hope. What have you been swinging lately, and with favorite coils?

I haven't used the internet for a few years, or even watched television, a break from technology you might say. Hey Mick, can you believe they made us a six inch coil for our XTerra's, and later a 15" Coiltek. Can you believe they gave us manual GB and a Threshold on the 305's. I have two 305's only now, one set with the 6" and one with 15". I pick up a new one next week and another 15" all remounted onto a straight shaft which will be used in gold country only. I gave the rest of my XTerra's to good friends and family because I prefer the 305 to the 705, actually to any detector, same depth and sensitivity but there is no nonsense with the 3's, and I've worked out some brilliant secrets with them regarding the large coil and threshold.

I wouldn't mind betting you've been detecting at least every second day...

Rob
 
Going Great Argyle. I celebrated my 48th birthday today by running over the upcoming half marathon race here in Dubbo in a few weeks. Been in training for a few months and it's the furthest I've run in a very long time.
Currently, I've got an X-Terra 70, GTI 1500, SE Explorer and recently bought a Cibola. Thinking about offloading the Cibola for a US version AT Pro.
If look at a number of posts on this forum you'll find that I've drawn the same conclusion about the 305. When I had the 30, I found that the 12 notches worked perfectly on our modern stuff. You can tell trash real easy while locking onto coins really well. the 70 bounces around too much and you need to use the target stability to get a halfway reliable lock. Preferably with the high or low frequency coil on as I don't think the medium locks on very well I don't know why, it just seems to suffer from interference too much. I might replace it when Minelab put out the next model. I think that it's been 3.5 years since the 05 series was released. (despite the afore mentioned flaw, I still consider the X-terras as one of my favorite detectors.)
The 6in High frequency coil is a real sweet one. You'll love it. I reckon the the 15in coil will be perfect on the 305. I was amazed at what I saw when the 305 came out. It was a huge improvement on the 30!
You've got my interest in regards as to what you discovered with the 305's threshold.:drool: It's a shame that it doesn't get posted about anywhere near enough. There are a few posters here that do post about it but it's real sleeper unit that folks should be very proud to own, knowing that they have one very sweet detector that is great value for money.
I haven't been able to get out too often detecting. I'd love to move to the the central coast or Newcastle area eventually. It'll probably be 10 years before that is a reality though. Man I'd really would be out every second day then,and have a blast, especially if armed with the equivalent of the 305. Efficient simplicity! There are possibilities of going sooner, but a few things would have to go my way first.
It doesn't hurt to give technology a break. I've got a friend that live over near Mudgee. He doesn't own a TV and he gets bucket load of stuff done due to the lack of distraction.:thumbup:
I hope things are well with you?
Mick Evans.
 
Good on you for running the half marathon! I couldn't do it mate, I'm just managing 3k's each morning and a bit of skipping
Funny you say about the move, I've been thinking about Newcastle, Coffs or Byron for a a while now, imagine the gold rings that await us on the coast!
Good to hear you're doing well Mick.
 
I have the Terra 705 , E.Trac and the CTX and if it ever comes a Blisstool but dont know what thats like.

I think of the 3 i have , the ET is the best ! , it has the best menu and is not cluttered with any unnecessary extra's like the CTX . But the X.Terra 705 is very good on fluffy ground and on Shingle beaches and i know that or sure.
 
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