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Xterra 705 vs Etrac or SE pro
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The 705 has a faster recovery speed than both the e-trac amd and se, its lighter aswell. The e-trac and
Se both have a couple of advantages over the 705, the first being they can penetrate the ground using multiple frequencies, aswell as probably being deeper than the 705. Out of the 3, the e trac is probably the best, but offcourse it is way more expensive. Personally i would go for the 705 if you dont want to spend as much, or if you want to spend more go for the e trac. Hope this helps!
Se both have a couple of advantages over the 705, the first being they can penetrate the ground using multiple frequencies, aswell as probably being deeper than the 705. Out of the 3, the e trac is probably the best, but offcourse it is way more expensive. Personally i would go for the 705 if you dont want to spend as much, or if you want to spend more go for the e trac. Hope this helps!
Two completely different technologies make them hard to do a direct comparison. I would NOT say that the FBS machines run any deeper than the V-flex machines. As a matter of fact, I've not found much going in with one machine after the other, and I've NEVER found silver with one that the other missed. And it's not that one is any better than the other, it's more that since they are so different, one compliments the other. Which is why I (and several others) have both.
EOS
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I compare 705 and E-trac a lot. They are both splendid machines.
The X-terra 705 is great for relichunting, fast and light. Perfect on fields, but Im personally not liking
the discrimination on terra. So I always use all metal mode. Multitone or 2 tone usually.
The E-trac is a king in trashy ground. In park, beaches and sites that have a lot of iron.
It just give so much more information. And the discrimination are great. The 6x8 SEF coil is fantastic.
I dig less trash with E-trac. Thats for sure. But it is slower, and heavier.
On the beach it handles wet sand much better.
This is all my experience. I dont know if E-trac is deeper, think terra is deep depending on coil.
I have some videos made comparing them. Will load up them on youtube when Im in town. My DSL here on the countryside is to slow.
Mike
The X-terra 705 is great for relichunting, fast and light. Perfect on fields, but Im personally not liking
the discrimination on terra. So I always use all metal mode. Multitone or 2 tone usually.
The E-trac is a king in trashy ground. In park, beaches and sites that have a lot of iron.
It just give so much more information. And the discrimination are great. The 6x8 SEF coil is fantastic.
I dig less trash with E-trac. Thats for sure. But it is slower, and heavier.
On the beach it handles wet sand much better.
This is all my experience. I dont know if E-trac is deeper, think terra is deep depending on coil.
I have some videos made comparing them. Will load up them on youtube when Im in town. My DSL here on the countryside is to slow.
Mike
Hello, I own both an SE Pro and XT 70. I like using both and think they are very good machines. When I am in the mood for some clad and jewelry hunting, I am using my XT 70 with high frequency elliptical coil. When I am looking for deep older silver coins I am using my SE Pro. I am not going to say one is better than the other or one is deeper than the other (I have found deep coins with both machines), but for where I hunt this combo works out pretty well for me.
John
John
You're killin' me!I just picked up an SE a few months ago, have talked myself out of upgrading to the E-Trac, and lust for a CTX. Problem is, my accountant just called today to inform me that I owe the IRS almost $3k.
EOS
Member
Sorry to here that Old Longhair!
I run my own company and have to pay $14k by years end...not fun,luckily Ive put it away.Wish I could use it on more exacting things,like family,vacation and of course metal detecting
I will not sell my XT 705 ,gonna keep it and add a another coil to the stable,the 5x10 DD.Only wish it was waterproof.But it is a really good coil.Good for finding small gold and hammered coins.I will purchase a straight stem to the XT, will help it up, balance wise I guess.
I have been told to buy the XP deus,but I don't know,like the Minelabs and the CTX will be fine on ground that doesn't come up with goodies anymore.Have been watching earthmansurfers videos.Seems to be deeper then the E-trac.
Also being waterproof is a nice feature. Like to wait some time purchasing the CTX,some people have issues with this early model ,maybe better in 6 months or so,bugs maybe gone and more updated software...maybe.
Mike
I run my own company and have to pay $14k by years end...not fun,luckily Ive put it away.Wish I could use it on more exacting things,like family,vacation and of course metal detecting
I will not sell my XT 705 ,gonna keep it and add a another coil to the stable,the 5x10 DD.Only wish it was waterproof.But it is a really good coil.Good for finding small gold and hammered coins.I will purchase a straight stem to the XT, will help it up, balance wise I guess.
I have been told to buy the XP deus,but I don't know,like the Minelabs and the CTX will be fine on ground that doesn't come up with goodies anymore.Have been watching earthmansurfers videos.Seems to be deeper then the E-trac.
Also being waterproof is a nice feature. Like to wait some time purchasing the CTX,some people have issues with this early model ,maybe better in 6 months or so,bugs maybe gone and more updated software...maybe.
Mike
TURNMASTER
Active member
It has already been said but the Xterra and the Explorer compliment each other rather than compete directly.
Sounds like the E-Trac(or CTX-3030) does much better in trashy areas(more target information) than the X-Terra 705. With both about the same depth. The E-Trac is far superior in wet saltwater sand but I wonder if the E-Trac is much better than the X-Terra 705 when working in highly mineralized ground, does anyone know.??
I have BOTH the x70 and the etrac, the etrac is a deeper machine, sniffs out coins better in trash and high iron. The x70 is extremely light, and yes goes deep no doubt, I have pulled silver dimes at 9 inches with it, but the etrac gives you much better info on deep coins. Much easier to tell a deep piece of iron with the etrac. Now my wife uses my x70 mostly and a lot of times I get signals and have her bring the x70 over to check it, and if it is real deep she either cannot pick it up of it is so iffy it is a signal you simply would NOT dig.
Dont get me wrong, I still love my x70, that is why I kept it for my backup machine and also a great light machine for my wife, but I am sorry it is not as good as the etrac. i felt very comfortable on my abilities using the x70 and thought long and hard before getting the etrac 2 yrs ago, but after getting it, I was so glad I upgraded. It is a whole new level of detecting.
Dont get me wrong, I still love my x70, that is why I kept it for my backup machine and also a great light machine for my wife, but I am sorry it is not as good as the etrac. i felt very comfortable on my abilities using the x70 and thought long and hard before getting the etrac 2 yrs ago, but after getting it, I was so glad I upgraded. It is a whole new level of detecting.
well im in florida and from whjat ive read the soil here is very mild and going to a beach setting is where i suppose i encounter the most mineralization but Et-Ex machines perform exquisitly in these conditions. Back on point i just picked up an EX SE and am waiting on my 10x12 SEF coil to come in fri-sat ill be able to compare the x-terra w/ 18k/3k hz coils and the fbs system on the Ex SeDavid said:
In my opinion, no. Not when you implement one of the DD coils on the X-TERRA.
The E-TRAC has one method of neutralizing the effects of mineralization.......... self compensation inherit in the software. We don't know what the ground phase is because the E-TRAC does not provide that information. The X-TERRA 705 does provide ground phase information as well as allow the user to identify "how mineralized" a specific site is. The X-TERRA 705 has a Tracking mode which maintains what the software perceives as the optimal ground phase setting. The X-TERRA 705 also allows the user to automatically select the proper operating ground phase. The X-TERRA 705 also allows the user to manually set an operational ground phase. The X-TERRA 705 also allows the user to offset the ground phase manually. And the X-TERRA is the ONLY detector available that allows the user to offset the ground phase while maintaining Tracking. With that said, the E-TRAC software is good at identifying the effects of mineralization. But those familiar with the new CTX 3030 recognize that its ground compensation was based on the same "neutralizing" capabilities of the E-TRAC. However, the CTX 3030 user has the ability to Ground Balance the detector in highly mineralized sites. With that in mind, it seems to me that having the ability to adjust the ground phase must be a "more thorough approach" than simply ignoring the mineralization, as found in the E-TRAC. Otherwise, why would their engineers implement both on the CTX 3030? JMHO HH Randy
The E-TRAC has one method of neutralizing the effects of mineralization.......... self compensation inherit in the software. We don't know what the ground phase is because the E-TRAC does not provide that information. The X-TERRA 705 does provide ground phase information as well as allow the user to identify "how mineralized" a specific site is. The X-TERRA 705 has a Tracking mode which maintains what the software perceives as the optimal ground phase setting. The X-TERRA 705 also allows the user to automatically select the proper operating ground phase. The X-TERRA 705 also allows the user to manually set an operational ground phase. The X-TERRA 705 also allows the user to offset the ground phase manually. And the X-TERRA is the ONLY detector available that allows the user to offset the ground phase while maintaining Tracking. With that said, the E-TRAC software is good at identifying the effects of mineralization. But those familiar with the new CTX 3030 recognize that its ground compensation was based on the same "neutralizing" capabilities of the E-TRAC. However, the CTX 3030 user has the ability to Ground Balance the detector in highly mineralized sites. With that in mind, it seems to me that having the ability to adjust the ground phase must be a "more thorough approach" than simply ignoring the mineralization, as found in the E-TRAC. Otherwise, why would their engineers implement both on the CTX 3030? JMHO HH Randy
Quite the estute observation Randy. And an excellent explanation too.
I've often wondered about FBS GB. Especially how the AUTO SENS worked relative to how they operate their GB compensation, and the overall.performance of it's function compared to the Xterra. On an E-Trac, you can offset the auto sens similarly to the way that we offset GB Tracking on the Xterra 705, yet doesn't provide any info on where the auto sens actually is at any given point, unlike the GB Tracking on the 705. Seems odd.
I've often wondered about FBS GB. Especially how the AUTO SENS worked relative to how they operate their GB compensation, and the overall.performance of it's function compared to the Xterra. On an E-Trac, you can offset the auto sens similarly to the way that we offset GB Tracking on the Xterra 705, yet doesn't provide any info on where the auto sens actually is at any given point, unlike the GB Tracking on the 705. Seems odd.
Thank you all very much for the answers.
Digger(Randy), very good info, so an E-Trac can not ground balance but a CTX-3030 can ground balance. Then if a person is working very high mineralization a CTX-3030 is a better choice. But I thought the inherit cabilities of FBS technology made it handle all types of mineralization better than(not including wet saltwater sand) all single frequency VLF technology.?? Maybe I was wrong.
I got false signals with good TID numbers with my X-Terra 70 with the 10.5" HF DD in 3 different areas. I dug down on two of the areas and found very water saturated ground. Some time passed and I saw a Meteorite Hunters show with Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin using their Fisher F-75's in one spot where there were false signals everywhere simular to what I had. The shows anouncer explained that that was due to the very wet ground which made iron minerals migrate to the top giving the false signals. I do not undersand this concept fully but at least I got an explaination to my false signals and if I bought an F-75 it would not help my situation. But maybe a FBS detector would not give false signals and handle this type of ground better.??
Digger(Randy), very good info, so an E-Trac can not ground balance but a CTX-3030 can ground balance. Then if a person is working very high mineralization a CTX-3030 is a better choice. But I thought the inherit cabilities of FBS technology made it handle all types of mineralization better than(not including wet saltwater sand) all single frequency VLF technology.?? Maybe I was wrong.
I got false signals with good TID numbers with my X-Terra 70 with the 10.5" HF DD in 3 different areas. I dug down on two of the areas and found very water saturated ground. Some time passed and I saw a Meteorite Hunters show with Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin using their Fisher F-75's in one spot where there were false signals everywhere simular to what I had. The shows anouncer explained that that was due to the very wet ground which made iron minerals migrate to the top giving the false signals. I do not undersand this concept fully but at least I got an explaination to my false signals and if I bought an F-75 it would not help my situation. But maybe a FBS detector would not give false signals and handle this type of ground better.??