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Would like to hear more about Whites Dual Field PI. Good & Bad
- Thread starter makahaman
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You made a horrible mistake... its too deep for some people... hope you don't mind digging deeper than a VLF user does...
The DF is quite easy to use...
I run mine with the gain hot but go with the factory set up for now...
Running any PI you are listening for the deepest whispers those whispers are usually a good target... think narrow sounding targets.. if its long and drawn out its probably junk either a can top or iron... I do not dig long tones... bobbiepins, wire, nails are double blips or scratchy sounding targets I don't dig those either... a PI user discriminates with his ear... it takes time and patience to learn the PI but if one does they will find what a VLF hunter doesn't even hear.... your PI will punch through black sand a VLF has trouble with... you have the advantage if you master the PI....
Some complain about the coil... I have no issues with it.. stays put for me and takes nothing to hold against the bottom... forget the coil cover spray the bottom with truckbed liner will save you the time from cleaning out all the sand that works its way inside it...
Get a copy of Clives book on the DF...
The DF is quite easy to use...
I run mine with the gain hot but go with the factory set up for now...
Running any PI you are listening for the deepest whispers those whispers are usually a good target... think narrow sounding targets.. if its long and drawn out its probably junk either a can top or iron... I do not dig long tones... bobbiepins, wire, nails are double blips or scratchy sounding targets I don't dig those either... a PI user discriminates with his ear... it takes time and patience to learn the PI but if one does they will find what a VLF hunter doesn't even hear.... your PI will punch through black sand a VLF has trouble with... you have the advantage if you master the PI....
Some complain about the coil... I have no issues with it.. stays put for me and takes nothing to hold against the bottom... forget the coil cover spray the bottom with truckbed liner will save you the time from cleaning out all the sand that works its way inside it...
Get a copy of Clives book on the DF...
Although Craig PI was tongue in cheek with his depth remarks, there's actually a lot of truth to it. I had one for a few months and never worked so hard in the surf before. The thing hits incredibly deep, but that's only half the reason for all the work. That 12 inch coil is really hard to stick into a deep hole to allow pinpointing with any accuracy. If ya don't recover on the 1st or 2nd scoop, you'll be chasing signals all over the ocean. It got pretty frustrating for me, especially while getting beat by our usual bricky surf here in Va Beach. I finally decided to go back to my Sand Shark. Maybe not "quite" as deep, but a lot more enjoyable to hunt with IMHO. That said, if you're mainly interested in wet sand and not chest deep surf, there's no better weapon than the DF. But you'll still need the biggest scoop you can carry.
Never used a dual field. But I use a Headhunter PI w/ a 8" coil. I love it. It's light. It's powerful. it's easy to pinpoint with the smaller coil. And you can put a larger coil on it. To me a PI is made for the salty surf. If you are going to hunt in the salty surf get yourself a PI and a big water scoop. 1st grab is important. If you are going to hunt the wet sand get yourself a Sovereign. It you are going to hunt the dry sand get yourself an AT Pro. As you move inland the junk increases. Being able to distinguish Zincolns is very important. They SUCK. They waste your time. An AT Pro would help in the dry sand to do just that. But any tot lot detector with a meter and big coil can hunt the dry sand.
Makahaman wassup?
Just bought the DF two weeks ago and love it. Yes it goes deep and yes you'll need a wider scoop. Pin pointing was a challenge until I figured it out and now I'm pretty accurate.
Because our beaches are over hunted, I think having the DF will pick up the stuff that others may be missing. I think it's the best weapon for our conditions.
I haven't found any gold yet but my DF has been killer on dimes. I've never found so many dimes and deep quarters. I know my pi pro would never reach those depths.
Did you order from Dale?
Aloha
Just bought the DF two weeks ago and love it. Yes it goes deep and yes you'll need a wider scoop. Pin pointing was a challenge until I figured it out and now I'm pretty accurate.
Because our beaches are over hunted, I think having the DF will pick up the stuff that others may be missing. I think it's the best weapon for our conditions.
I haven't found any gold yet but my DF has been killer on dimes. I've never found so many dimes and deep quarters. I know my pi pro would never reach those depths.
Did you order from Dale?
Aloha
rgalan2003
New member
It is like my golquest aquasearch but submarine,only I have good words about it check my finds
Rafael
Rafael
VBDave said:
Dave... I meant to add a smiley but it slipped my mind
I use the DF mainly in the water and when I PPed I would put the coil on edge and that seemed to do the trick on those deep targets but then again my huge scoop usually gets me the target after a few scoops...Hey Mynah is the DF hard to use? I see that there are more controls than the Surf PI. Are you getting good depth compared to the Surf PI or is it about the same? Just wondering because I am waiting on my machine to come in the mail, I bought mine from Kellyco. I bought this machine in the hope that it goes deeper than my Surf PI Pro because I am looking for depth. I hope that its worth me purchasing it because I am looking for depth I know most beaches are hunted out!!
The DF is a purpose built machine ,it goes deep in and out of the water (in the water it is like it is supercharged)and it is very easy to use.I have found that once I got used to the DF I cant take a chance using my other detectors(they are all collecting dust in the shed now) .Just make sure you invest in a large scoop.
I haven't had my Df long, and have only used it on one occasion (2 hunts)....first hunt I was using my smaller scoop (about 5") and spent a lot of time digging (wet sand and shallow water, surf was too rough to go in) but found targets deeper than I generally find them and found more of them...not much jewellery, mostly coins...yes I found it frustrating with the large oil and a small scoop, and so on the 2nd short hunt I used my big heavy scoop...not so much digging and speedier recovery...had a great time, and loved the machine. Targets ranged in sizes as well as depth and some of the heavier coins were very deep (for me) as was a small silver ring, and I even found a very old 3d (Australian) which was very corroded. The coins I found ranged from our 5c through to our $2 (some of each denomination) so it was not just the big stuff or the small stuff that the DF was hitting on. The black sand didn't seem to worry it (used a slight amount of delay) and I really cant think of anything bad or negative to say about the machine itself. Be patient, read Clive's books on Pulse Hunting and the Dual Field and check out the PI Technology forum. Good luck with it.
thevacantface
New member
It goes very deep, just today I hit some rusty cable that chimed in clearly at well over 2 feet deep, but smaller targets wont register that deep.
My issues with the machine are as follows:
1) I hate the tone that it gives off when you go over a quarter, its just lower than most targets and a little weak, just gives the feeling that its not a good target
2) Many coins will give off the double blip sound that makes you think its iron, happens with almost every nickel I dig, and a good portion of the pennies, and it definitely will if its multiple coins near eachother.
3) Pennies never pinpoint to the center of the coil, I always have to do several scoops around, same will happen with iron, you will need to find the center of the double blip and dig with the direction of the blips if you are going to dig it.
4) Big coil, need a big scoop. While I'm happy its covering a large swath of ground, its impossible to get the coil down into a hole to try and locate an object.
5) Loves the foil and pull tabs, but its a double edged sword because it loves the gold too. All those lower conductors seem to ring out loud and true.
My issues with the machine are as follows:
1) I hate the tone that it gives off when you go over a quarter, its just lower than most targets and a little weak, just gives the feeling that its not a good target
2) Many coins will give off the double blip sound that makes you think its iron, happens with almost every nickel I dig, and a good portion of the pennies, and it definitely will if its multiple coins near eachother.
3) Pennies never pinpoint to the center of the coil, I always have to do several scoops around, same will happen with iron, you will need to find the center of the double blip and dig with the direction of the blips if you are going to dig it.
4) Big coil, need a big scoop. While I'm happy its covering a large swath of ground, its impossible to get the coil down into a hole to try and locate an object.
5) Loves the foil and pull tabs, but its a double edged sword because it loves the gold too. All those lower conductors seem to ring out loud and true.
thevacantface said:
Hmmm... I have never had a clipped tone on a coin... as to it loving pulltabs tell me a machine that doesn't lol... when I am over iron I know it as the tone is longer than a coin sized object.. as to PPing try raising the coil or do as I do and turn the coil on its side as it makes PPing easier... I don't have these issues I have read about here...
Hey Fellow Hunters,
Guess I'll toss my two cents worth in here.
Many hours of hunting with a variety of PI machines have taught me a few valuable lessons.
General info. (specific to PIs).
Lesson one.........Expect to dig deeper.
Two.........Use the biggest scoop you can handle.
Three...... You will lose a target now and again----get over it!!
Four........ Bigger coils reveal the older, deeper targets!
Five..........Hunted out beaches are my playground.
Six...........Trashy beaches will wear you out!!!!!!!!
Seven........Batteries (life, charging etc) are usually a pain.
Dual Field (All, but seven apply to the DF too)
One........Easy to use! (Although some hunters are bothered by the bouyant coil it hasn't beeen a problem for me. Hunting in surf it would likely be a pain though.)
Two........Excellent depth.
Three......Batteries last and last.
Four......I never have to wonder if my machine missed anything as I have recovered older, deeper targets with the DF
than I ever did with my other PIs hunting the same ground where I hunted with them.
I've hunted the same 1/2 mile or so of beach off and on since 1982 and know it well.
Other hunters frequent this beach as well and a few recent drops are taken each year, but the smaller, older deeper finds await the DF.
Thanks for your time,
CJ
Guess I'll toss my two cents worth in here.
Many hours of hunting with a variety of PI machines have taught me a few valuable lessons.
General info. (specific to PIs).
Lesson one.........Expect to dig deeper.
Two.........Use the biggest scoop you can handle.
Three...... You will lose a target now and again----get over it!!
Four........ Bigger coils reveal the older, deeper targets!
Five..........Hunted out beaches are my playground.
Six...........Trashy beaches will wear you out!!!!!!!!
Seven........Batteries (life, charging etc) are usually a pain.
Dual Field (All, but seven apply to the DF too)
One........Easy to use! (Although some hunters are bothered by the bouyant coil it hasn't beeen a problem for me. Hunting in surf it would likely be a pain though.)
Two........Excellent depth.
Three......Batteries last and last.
Four......I never have to wonder if my machine missed anything as I have recovered older, deeper targets with the DF
than I ever did with my other PIs hunting the same ground where I hunted with them.
I've hunted the same 1/2 mile or so of beach off and on since 1982 and know it well.
Other hunters frequent this beach as well and a few recent drops are taken each year, but the smaller, older deeper finds await the DF.
Thanks for your time,
CJ
Nice post CJ. Reading all this makes me wish I could get over to the East Coast (Aust.), but I know it will be at least weeks, and maybe months before I will be able to do so.
Craig PI: Re pinpointing, I have read about turning the coil on its side (I worked out that lifting it helps), could you run through the turning process again for me (if you read this) Thanks.
Craig PI: Re pinpointing, I have read about turning the coil on its side (I worked out that lifting it helps), could you run through the turning process again for me (if you read this) Thanks.
I am a Whites guy i Have a Whites V3i for turff / a Whites Eagle II SL 90 for a back up, I needed a Water unit Whites DF or all of thear Water Detectors dont have a Volume???
I would have a Whites Water unit, I got a Tesoro Sand Shark PI , If Whites makes a Water unit with a volume correct me if im wrong I cant find it, Thanks,
I posted on the Beach and Water i found some GOLD with the Sand Shark, Thanks, Mickfin
I would have a Whites Water unit, I got a Tesoro Sand Shark PI , If Whites makes a Water unit with a volume correct me if im wrong I cant find it, Thanks,
I posted on the Beach and Water i found some GOLD with the Sand Shark, Thanks, Mickfin
Hey mickfin,
There is no need for a volume control if the machine doesn't respond with an overpowering signal as I have found when using some Garrett's machines.
My DF has been tame by comparison and a couple of sheets of rubber gasket material trimmed and carefully inserted in the ear phone ear cups toned things down nicely.
A water hunting metal detector that can be used out of the box without some personalizing for performance or comfort during use didn't exist when I checked the last time.
Every one of my five water machines have been modified one way or another for improved performance.
Being creative helps get the gold!
GL&HH Friend,
CJ
There is no need for a volume control if the machine doesn't respond with an overpowering signal as I have found when using some Garrett's machines.
My DF has been tame by comparison and a couple of sheets of rubber gasket material trimmed and carefully inserted in the ear phone ear cups toned things down nicely.
A water hunting metal detector that can be used out of the box without some personalizing for performance or comfort during use didn't exist when I checked the last time.
Every one of my five water machines have been modified one way or another for improved performance.
Being creative helps get the gold!
GL&HH Friend,
CJ