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wot
- Thread starter plymouthian12
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element said:The wot is always gonna be a fan because of the open design. The SEF is cluttered and I image you would notice the difference between say a 10x12SEF and a Excellerator 12 / Sunray S12.. A 15inch wot is on my list of "coils I must own" though but any large coil is gonna have problems on highly mineralized ground as you know. They have their places.. in the water a 15x12 SEF or 15 wot is gonna be OTT for surf work and you dont need that much depth as you prob wont be able to scoop the targets out anyway? diggin 15inch+ on wet sand is bad enough!!.. 10inch is perfect for the surf. most dont go past 12inch.. on the wet sand the 15x12 SEF and the wots will be in there elements there but only if the ground will let you run it high enough.
Think about a small 5inch coil and you know how well they work in bad ground. on the beach you are trying to get the best balance between depth and coverage. the ground you detect determins what coil will work best.
This is why I think my excellerator isnt much better than my 10inch bbs... it seems my ground is bad enough that I am not benefiting from the extra depth my excellerator is offering
July and October I head north and hunt lake Ontario and some of the finger lakes. I use the exal/ WOT there 2. although sometimes I go for the Infinium depending on the severity of the black sand
There is so much iron and black sand up there that when I remove my scoop the magnets in the scoop look like black porcupines oh, and there are also bunches of hot rocks. I am still able to retain stability, get good coverage and although the depth is diminished I can still get deeper than a stock or a 12 I don't know where the idea came from that U don't dig deep in the water. Believe me I have dug some holes and scooped up a good target at some pretty impressive depths. I also use the widest scoop that I have been able to find-Sun spsot Stealth the big one!
sandfisher
New member
I have the wot on a sov gt. Haven't tried other coils but haven't felt the need to. Hunt almost entirely on the beaches of New Jersey. Out of the water the ground coverage and depth is incredible. I have hit dimes at over 2 feet. In the water though, it has too much drag. You have to let the waves move it for you. On dry land, different story. Picks up everything - emf, any iron, junk; goes crazy. Too much to use off the beach. Have to switch to a smaller coil, usually 10 inch tornado
Question about the SEF coils - not an argument, just pure curiosity - why would the design be better than the shape of a wot? How does the geometry create a difference? Would
Question about the SEF coils - not an argument, just pure curiosity - why would the design be better than the shape of a wot? How does the geometry create a difference? Would
Sandfisher, now the WOT is too heavy for me on my sovereign GT. tried it, have settled for the 10 x 12 " SEF coil on the beach here in California. At 84 years old I have to compromise on the weight. When I was 80 I could handle the WOT, now I am just a wimp to what I use to be. GH, Don
bootyhoundpa
Well-known member
ive used the 15in wot at the beach several times and like it very much.. i my opinion it really excells in the wet sand ... like previuos posts ive hit dimes at 15in deep ' pocket knives and those toy cars 24in deep... great coil to have when the beach has already been worked over hard by alot of people with smaller coils'''' my favorite place to use it is right at the waters edge following the incoming and out going surf .. it is too big to sweep under moving water... either way this coil will make a man out of you... lol,,,
You guys swinging these big coils really need to look into that "Swingy Thingy " .......What a back aaver !!!... I built my own version of this tool , and call it "Swing This " ......... I don't leave home without it !!.....
Don,
84 yrs old ? ......God Bless You !!!.....
Erikk,
2 FT DEEP !!....YIKES !!.....I hope that sand leaves the scoop quickly !!..... Looks like I better reverse my aging process to try this type of hunting out !!.....Thanks for the info ....Jim
Don,
84 yrs old ? ......God Bless You !!!.....
Erikk,
2 FT DEEP !!....YIKES !!.....I hope that sand leaves the scoop quickly !!..... Looks like I better reverse my aging process to try this type of hunting out !!.....Thanks for the info ....Jim
I use a back saver handle on my scoop saves the wrist and the back!synthnut said:
Today at closer to 3 feet 925 12.3 gr took me about 10 minutes digging the hole-last scoop before I was about to give up and I was standing over knee deep in the dam hole. Think the WOT goes deep enough?!?
Critterhunter
New member
See the 12x10 thread for pictures and reasons why the design of these SEF coils is really something special.
I know what they look like but if I had one on I wouldn't have had to dig in the first place cause I never would have heard it-sounded like a solid dime signal. I seriously doubt a 12 x 10 will go as deep as a WOT 15 but that is neither here or there. I dig as deep as I care to with the WOTCritterhunter said:
Critterhunter
New member
In certain grounds or beaches (high minerals) I bet the WOT will not go as deep as the 12x10 or even the stock 10" coil. As I have found with the 15x12 on land in high mineral sites, you are overwhelming the machine with ground matrix and the target can get lost in it. I'm not talking about the stability of the coil. Even if it's stable at very high sensitivity settings that does nothing to reduce the amount of microscopic iron or other mineral ground content that the target is now being washed in. On the beach the 15x12 was very deep, mid teens to maybe 2 feet on some items, yet in my high mineral land hunts it's max depth was about 9" on a coin. Not that I couldn't run the sensitivity super high, it's just that that often means less depth in my soil. Tested it enough to know. I've seen sites with other machines where a 5.3" coil got more depth than the stock 9.5" coil, and better IDs and audio. Concept is still the same, those less apparent on a Sovereign or Excal. They do a much better job of handling bad ground.
I have a friend in Teneriffe, he has an excalibur, it needs to be used in all metal as in disc the target has to be almost touching the coil, in all metal at best 3-4" less in disc but the machine runs smooth. He mostly uses a goldscan 5, a Pi made by Eric Foster. These conditions are extreme, like the Australian gold fields but in general the bigger coils go deeper, here the Wot 15" is deeper than the 12x10 and pretty mineralizad, some places i have to run the Etrac at 16 sens, F75 at 50 or less thats low due to the mineralization but the bigger coils still do better to a certain size, i have found that the 18x15 has to run lower(maybe due to the mineralization) and doesn't gain much depth (but gains) there but its an exception to the rule. If the bigger coils are made, then why if the smaller ones are deeper/better, the first few test reports would crush any future sales.
I still put the poor depth(compared to the 10"stock) on the 15x12 down to the minimum volume, and maybe the 2-3oclock sens, to me thats low. I know you buried a dime at 8-9" and tuned into it for best results and thats the depth you got, but have you though it may be like a camera, it has to be focused to the distance you wish be it macro or long distance telescopic, if you focus macro anything at a distance is blurred, if you use teloscopic anything close is blurred, Radar is another example, you change the scale according to the distance you want to detect, on a 32 mile scale a target at 5 miles will not be picked up as well as something at say 24, you will see it better on the 6 or 12 mile scale, think about it
I still put the poor depth(compared to the 10"stock) on the 15x12 down to the minimum volume, and maybe the 2-3oclock sens, to me thats low. I know you buried a dime at 8-9" and tuned into it for best results and thats the depth you got, but have you though it may be like a camera, it has to be focused to the distance you wish be it macro or long distance telescopic, if you focus macro anything at a distance is blurred, if you use teloscopic anything close is blurred, Radar is another example, you change the scale according to the distance you want to detect, on a 32 mile scale a target at 5 miles will not be picked up as well as something at say 24, you will see it better on the 6 or 12 mile scale, think about it
Critter,
To sum it up , would it be safe to say that the 12 x 15 SEF is deeper and a better Beach coil ? ......Would it also be safe to say that the 10 x 12 is a deeper land coil ? ..........If you hunted both land and beach 50/50 and it was really more important to have a coil that would go deeper on land , which coil would you go wtih ? .........I'm saying deeper on land, because the beaches that I hunt , I don't really have to go down that deep unless I go into the water, and I'm not sure how soon that is going to happen .....The stock coils on both my E Trac and my Sovereign are adequate , but I want more than "adequate " ...Thanks, Jim
To sum it up , would it be safe to say that the 12 x 15 SEF is deeper and a better Beach coil ? ......Would it also be safe to say that the 10 x 12 is a deeper land coil ? ..........If you hunted both land and beach 50/50 and it was really more important to have a coil that would go deeper on land , which coil would you go wtih ? .........I'm saying deeper on land, because the beaches that I hunt , I don't really have to go down that deep unless I go into the water, and I'm not sure how soon that is going to happen .....The stock coils on both my E Trac and my Sovereign are adequate , but I want more than "adequate " ...Thanks, Jim
Jim, i have tried the 10.5", 11"pro,10x12, 15x12, and 18x15 on the Etrac, deepest is the 18x15 but heavy and also affected by emi/mineralization so you have to lower the sens and lose some of the advantage gain, i prefer the 15x12. hardly any difference in the 11"pro and 12x10
On the Sovereign i have used the 8"10"stock, 12x10,sunray12,wot 15" and the 15x12 so far, in order of depth 15x12,wot 15"(not much in these 2 but the 15x12 only slightly for depth but a lot better on smaller items) 12x10 and Sunray12 virtually even, 10", 8" most testing on beach
On the Sovereign i have used the 8"10"stock, 12x10,sunray12,wot 15" and the 15x12 so far, in order of depth 15x12,wot 15"(not much in these 2 but the 15x12 only slightly for depth but a lot better on smaller items) 12x10 and Sunray12 virtually even, 10", 8" most testing on beach
errik, the wot is a good coil, better than most on the beach as you know, i'm using one now at the moment and i have a 12x10 just sitting collecting dust, i would swap 10x12 out for a 15x12 and only that coil, till then the wot stays #1.
You having all those machines i'm sure 1 coil would be worth a try, you might be surprised
BTW are the wots hard wired or do you use a connector?, i'm thinking i might make use of the 10x12 after all and put it on the excalibur as i'm near end of warrenty.
You having all those machines i'm sure 1 coil would be worth a try, you might be surprised
BTW are the wots hard wired or do you use a connector?, i'm thinking i might make use of the 10x12 after all and put it on the excalibur as i'm near end of warrenty.
Kered,
Thanks for your results ..... They sound pretty much in the ball park for what I've been thinking ..... I had told Critter a while back that I thought that the 10 x 12 SEF would be redundant for me becuase of it's size ..... I am basically llooking for a beach coil , and would also use it on regular soil in larger parks etc , but more leaning toward the beach ... My partner has a 12 x 15 SEF and in his opinion , he says that they stock Pro Coil on the E Trac hit's better on smaller targets .....Again he has not had it that long but ....???????.........He loves it for the beach however ...... We're not big on trying to find small chains or anything similar ....We like the BIG STUFF !!...
...... I'm stil contemplating a move to North Carolina and I'm looking for something very close to the coast for my fishing and my dirt fishing ......A larger coil will do well there ..... I posted a WTB already on the forum .....We'll see if anybody bites ..... Thanks again , Jim
Erikk ,
The WOT 15 was the only other coil that I really had any interest in for my beach machine ....Your finds are truely great , and I'm very happy for you !!.... The differences in the WOT and the SEF I don't think are that much to be concerned about ..... You have the proof in your finds .... After looking at the design of each of these coils , I would have to give the nod to the WOT coil for it's shape .....Looks like it would do better in the water .....I've already heard my buddies 12 x 15 and it's a really nice coil .....I guess I will be going with the poison I know , rather than the poison I don't know , so to speak .........H. H. .....JIm
Thanks for your results ..... They sound pretty much in the ball park for what I've been thinking ..... I had told Critter a while back that I thought that the 10 x 12 SEF would be redundant for me becuase of it's size ..... I am basically llooking for a beach coil , and would also use it on regular soil in larger parks etc , but more leaning toward the beach ... My partner has a 12 x 15 SEF and in his opinion , he says that they stock Pro Coil on the E Trac hit's better on smaller targets .....Again he has not had it that long but ....???????.........He loves it for the beach however ...... We're not big on trying to find small chains or anything similar ....We like the BIG STUFF !!...
...... I'm stil contemplating a move to North Carolina and I'm looking for something very close to the coast for my fishing and my dirt fishing ......A larger coil will do well there ..... I posted a WTB already on the forum .....We'll see if anybody bites ..... Thanks again , JimErikk ,
The WOT 15 was the only other coil that I really had any interest in for my beach machine ....Your finds are truely great , and I'm very happy for you !!.... The differences in the WOT and the SEF I don't think are that much to be concerned about ..... You have the proof in your finds .... After looking at the design of each of these coils , I would have to give the nod to the WOT coil for it's shape .....Looks like it would do better in the water .....I've already heard my buddies 12 x 15 and it's a really nice coil .....I guess I will be going with the poison I know , rather than the poison I don't know , so to speak .........H. H. .....JIm