Why so many nails in coin program?

[sandnsea49]

signal yet, or ever. In fact I dig very few iron targets at all. I use Andy's coin program and have no problems. I love my Etrac.

 

[Prep1957]

I think my 8x6 really cut down my nail digging to almost nothing.I wonder if of how many of you digging are using Pro Coil.

 

[gunwolf]

well I can't video, but as I said I have dug 12-45,46 signals not bouncy...solid and got rusty iron. like you guys have posted it is probably my learning curve , and I need to listen to clarity of tones...I listen for nice repeating high tones then glance at the screen just for ID sake, check depth, turn 90deg check again...hit quick mask...if it doesn't bounce way down to the right ...I dig. I trust you E-trac guys that constantly post your great finds...you obviously know what your talking about...believe me...I am listening to you.
after just a few months I am far from being a E-trac master and everytime out I learn something new. just last month I was complaing I couldn't find an IH penny...then I figured out what I was doing wrong and now I have over 25! so yes I will start to listen to my tones more and hopefully find less nails...even though they are everywhere around here!!!!
what sensitivity are you guys running? if your in auto what is your MD running at? ...I have been finding less nails and more keepers this past week with my ACE250 while MY E-trac is being looked at. can't wait to get it back...service said about two and a half weeks.

 

[Goes4ever]

90% of the time I run my sens at auto+3....around here I get in the mid 20's. If I am on a clean site, like a ballfield I will use manual and crank it to 29-30. I feel auto +3 works best for me, old coins are rarely more than 7-8" in my area, and i can hit a 8" deep coin on sens of 19 easy. So no worries for me.

U will get more iron falsing if you run your etrac too hot as well, keep that in mind. But still if you turning 90 degrees and rechecking the target, using quickmask, etc.....you shouldnt be digging very many nails at all.

 

[gunwolf]

90% of the time I run my sens at auto+3....around here I get in the mid 20's. If I am on a clean site, like a ballfield I will use manual and crank it to 29-30. I feel auto +3 works best for me, old coins are rarely more than 7-8" in my area, and i can hit a 8" deep coin on sens of 19 easy. So no worries for me.

U will get more iron falsing if you run your etrac too hot as well, keep that in mind. But still if you turning 90 degrees and rechecking the target, using quickmask, etc.....you shouldn't be digging very many nails at all.

thank you...I also am running auto +3 (I use your settings) usually running around 16-20...so running hot is not an issue..I am thinking it is more lack of experience, just need more time again many thanks to you and a few others who continually reach out to help us new E-trac owners...you guys have saved me months of trial and error already

 

[UncleTom]

I'm running the pro coil with great success.

 

[khouse]

I have pulled many nails and misc iron from holes next to, above, below and beside coins. It's possible you came across the trash first then thinking that was the target cover the hole and move on. Also make sure your trash density is on high. Even if there's no trash.

 

[NebTrac]

I would LOVE to see someone post a video where they get a CLEAR two way 12-46 on a nail......it has NEVER happened to me in two yrs of owning the etrac.

Scratchy signal yes, but clear solid signal, cant see it happening. Someone prove me wrong....post a video, include the signal with audio, and show your etrac screen, i bet it is a scratchy signal and being new to the etrac your just wanting a good signal and your thinking you have a good signal when in reality it is a walk away from signal....then dig it and ahow me what it is......someone please prove to me.

I don't know if this will count Terry. I did get a video of a sheet metal screw (you know the kind, self tapping -

 

[Goes4ever]

Neb, two way on 180 doesn't count in my opinion, because basically the coil is passing over it in the same direction, where in a 90 degree it is hitting it differently, make sense?

 

[NebTrac]

Neb, two way on 180 doesn't count in my opinion, because basically the coil is passing over it in the same direction, where in a 90 degree it is hitting it differently, make sense?

Yep. I've always thought the same as well. Only reason I videod that one was I was trying to get the mythical "nail on the coin" on film and become famous in the E-Trac world.

NebTrac

 

[nimbus]

Goes4ever, I love your comment, "I think a lot of people try to turn a crappy signal into a good one. I have seen people walk around a target for 5 minutes trying to turn it into a good signal". I'm so guilty of that. I've gone so far to help me ID targets and learn the meaning of the tones that I now carry my Fisher F5 with me to help me "verify" what my E-trac is trying to tell me.This might be helpful to those who only have virtual mentors if you have another detector that you understand well bring it along and use it as a concrete mentor to use in combination with all these great virtual mentors here on this site to compare target info.

I learned this, my E-trac can hunt ground where my F5 just overloads--man does that open sites that I thought were unhuntable. And because the E-trac can do that, I found a bunch of coins in what can only be described as a "nuclear waste landfill" because its so full of hot rocks. Memorial pennies were pinning as 50 cent pieces and silver dollars! No bull. the pennies were hitting perfect 1-39 through 3-40. I just about lost my zen utopia frame of mind on the 4th one that did that! The ground was so hot that the sensitivity, running auto +3, was barely visible on either graph! not to mention that the soles of my shoes were melting.

This might be helpful, though it's most likely understood, When using a coin program you discriminate out alot of "junk" that should Null when you pass over it, right? But that junk has some complex FE and CO properties that "trick" the E-trac to read them as good dig numbers. But since you discriminated out the majority of the junk's true TID information with the coin program, you only hear the high pitched sound and see the dig numbers, but if you listen to the sounds carefully they only chirp in and out just for a fraction of a second. Noticed that I quoted the word trick? The E-trac wasn't tricked in this case, we only misunderstood the message. When you truly swing over silver the sound will most likely be long and clear from both directions, fairly stable numbers and the same after you turn 90 and sweep again. I finally learned that this is what the Quick Mask mode is for and it has helped me see that the chirps that I hear in this case, are only a portion of the target that I programmed the E-trac to tell me about, because in full open quick mask- the numbers are all over the place with very high FE numbers. and if I wiggle the coil in just the right way I can "force" the E-trac to show me what part of that rusty nail has a 13-46 property. And when I dig that forced signal, its a nail.

I've heard that "thunk" so many times but have yet to figure out what the E-trac is telling me. I'm gonna learn this one on my own just to prove a point. so no spoiler posts please. LOL

Another piece of advice read Tom_in_CA's thread he so awesomingly took the time to author for me/us about understanding the tones with the E-trac.

 

[Nonickels]

I think a lot of people try to turn a crappy signal into a good one. I have seen people walk around a target for 5 minutes trying to turn it into a good signal....lol

In all that time they could have just dug it and know what it is for sure!

Hey, I might take 4 minutes, never 5!....ok, sometimes 5....

I do dig some nails, even after owning the etrac nearly 3 years now. A lot of times it's because the signal is iffy but, what the hell, I am standing here, might as well dig it and see.

I usually won't flip into TTF on an iffy signal, but I use iron mask on almost every target. Lots of times it just confirms my original opinion, but there are times also when I thought there was a possibility of a good target iron mask will show it to be iron and I can move on.

 

[Goes4ever]

exellent post Nimbus, I know what you mean with the quick chirps when using disc, but you just explained it perfectly, way better than I could have, I hope your posts helps a lot of people see what you mena.

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

Goes4ever, I love your comment, "I think a lot of people try to turn a crappy signal into a good one. I have seen people walk around a target for 5 minutes trying to turn it into a good signal". I'm so guilty of that. I've gone so far to help me ID targets and learn the meaning of the tones that I now carry my Fisher F5 with me to help me "verify" what my E-trac is trying to tell me.This might be helpful to those who only have virtual mentors if you have another detector that you understand well bring it along and use it as a concrete mentor to use in combination with all these great virtual mentors here on this site to compare target info.

I learned this, my E-trac can hunt ground where my F5 just overloads--man does that open sites that I thought were unhuntable. And because the E-trac can do that, I found a bunch of coins in what can only be described as a "nuclear waste landfill" because its so full of hot rocks. Memorial pennies were pinning as 50 cent pieces and silver dollars! No bull. the pennies were hitting perfect 1-39 through 3-40. I just about lost my zen utopia frame of mind on the 4th one that did that! The ground was so hot that the sensitivity, running auto +3, was barely visible on either graph! not to mention that the soles of my shoes were melting.

This might be helpful, though it's most likely understood, When using a coin program you discriminate out alot of "junk" that should Null when you pass over it, right? But that junk has some complex FE and CO properties that "trick" the E-trac to read them as good dig numbers. But since you discriminated out the majority of the junk's true TID information with the coin program, you only hear the high pitched sound and see the dig numbers, but if you listen to the sounds carefully they only chirp in and out just for a fraction of a second. Noticed that I quoted the word trick? The E-trac wasn't tricked in this case, we only misunderstood the message. When you truly swing over silver the sound will most likely be long and clear from both directions, fairly stable numbers and the same after you turn 90 and sweep again. I finally learned that this is what the Quick Mask mode is for and it has helped me see that the chirps that I hear in this case, are only a portion of the target that I programmed the E-trac to tell me about, because in full open quick mask- the numbers are all over the place with very high FE numbers. and if I wiggle the coil in just the right way I can "force" the E-trac to show me what part of that rusty nail has a 13-46 property. And when I dig that forced signal, its a nail.

I've heard that "thunk" so many times but have yet to figure out what the E-trac is telling me. I'm gonna learn this one on my own just to prove a point. so no spoiler posts please. LOL

Another piece of advice read Tom_in_CA's thread he so awesomingly took the time to author for me/us about understanding the tones with the E-trac.

GREAT post here!

 

[ptdigger]

n/t

 

[ptdigger]

I have not dug a nail unitionally with the Etrac since I read a post here about the using the quick mask screen. When I get a questionable target I go to quick mask screen and if I get a reading that jumps down the screen to ferrous of 28-35 then I know it's iron. Once in a while I will dig one just to see if it is a nail, it always is. When I dig a target that is jumpy but not going into the 28-35 ferrous range, it has never been a nail. Even my hunting partner who uses a 1021 CZ3D has me check his questionable targets to see if they are iron. When he does not trust that the Etrac was right and he dug the target anyway, it would always be a nail. Is it possible that not all Etrac's are created equal and one copy maybe better than another or is the difference in user experience's caused by soil conditions?

 

[jimmyWB]

I agree with Goes4Ever, I have never gotten a 12 45 from a nail after checking it from multiple directions...I have dug nails next to silver targets, but by using the ETRACs abilities such as TTF and sometimes using the long audio response and going real slow in really heavily trash infested areas...if there is silver there the ETRAC will find it and with practice you can tell there is a good target to dig....Since getting the ETRAC I have found more silver than ever before...I love this machine...

 

[OCDfinder]

Some of us can't help digging rusted nail we can make chirp with a wisp of silver. In fact I'll waste another 5 minutes digging out interesting rocks and fossils. 80million year old oyster shells and some dino bones took me off point for an hour last Thursday. I dug up a whole picnic from the 60's a week ago...rib bones, soda bottles, pie pans, foil, tire to kids scooter...like a 3x3 area 2 feet deep.

and I wonder why my silver total ain't higher, I thinking about a handle change to ADD_finder. It's like that trust exercise where you lean back and let your partner catch you. Etrac telling me I am back here...but I aint leaning back.

what I am trying to say, is this thread really helps.

 

[ronfin]

I dug a bunch of rusty nails today that at first seemed like they could be silver signals, but that's what happens if you dig almost everything that hits both ways and is 4+ inches deep. Pulled 7 Wheats today doing the iffy-sig-dig, and found another Buffalo nickel.