Why is this forum so toxic lately?

[upfishcreek]

It's almost hard to be here. The pinned post at top says we should be respectful and NOT insulting. There are some who go out of their way to be insulting, rude, antagonistic and inflammatory. Perhaps this forum needs more mods or something? I just really struggle with certain people who feel the need to slam Tesoro users. If you don't like beep and dig and think single tone is pointless, stay on your particular forum and extol the greatness of your machine there. If you don't like Tesoro why are you here? It's beyond me! It's like travelling to France even if you hate France. But you like going because you can complain about it to people who like France. Hopefully you select few, who might have the insight to know who you are, can recognize this and really just go on to their happy place . I'm trying to not be insulting myself but If you are unable to leave for whatever personal reason, perhaps the rest of us can avoid replying or feeding into it? Be happy people.

 

[tabman]

Well said.

All the posters on this forum are great, except for a few trouble makers who are trying to ruin it for the rest of us.

tabman

 

[CladDog]

A lot of it is probably pure cabin fever. Things will hopefully calm down when everyone can get outside again.

 

[dan b]

I don't understand it either. Some have used Tesoros in the past, moved on to something else, but then continuously bad mouth their Tesoro experience. It didn't work for you, for whatever reason. We get that. Go away!

I had a Sov GT a few years back that didn't work well on our Canadian coins. I think I will go hang out on the Minelab forum and continuously badmouth that machine and try to ruin it for others. Nah, that would be juvenile. (hint, hint)

 

[TAB.HUNTER]

It's almost hard to be here. The pinned post at top says we should be respectful and NOT insulting. There are some who go out of their way to be insulting, rude, antagonistic and inflammatory. Perhaps this forum needs more mods or something? I just really struggle with certain people who feel the need to slam Tesoro users. If you don't like beep and dig and think single tone is pointless, stay on your particular forum and extol the greatness of your machine there. If you don't like Tesoro why are you here? It's beyond me! It's like travelling to France even if you hate France. But you like going because you can complain about it to people who like France. Hopefully you select few, who might have the insight to know who you are, can recognize this and really just go on to their happy place . I'm trying to not be insulting myself but If you are unable to leave for whatever personal reason, perhaps the rest of us can avoid replying or feeding into it? Be happy people.

[size=medium]Parasite invasion. It will go away as soon as warm weather hits.[/size]

 

[mudpuppy]

Yeah...I think CladDog is right...sheesh! Northerns get pretty mean when its snowing out, in Late March...like again today, 107 days with snow cover and no end in sight!
Just bear with us a little longer...at least we can sort of help each other through this mess by fighting on the Forum instead of fighting in the house!

Hey, look, you Tee boys shouldnt take it personal, you have a very active and fun Forum here, you all are excellent hunters, good solid American Product, huge results...so what if somebody takes a few shots?
Let them have a little fun since they cant find dink with their highbuck gear!
Mud

 

[kaolinwasher]

I am for free speech, if they want to bash let them bash, i have people call me the F word for trapping gophers on my videos I just let them vent , it also helps to hear what may be wrong or disliked about a machine , that way improvements can be made if need be, I like tesoro & someone can say they are junk all day , but i know what i like about them .

 

[4fun]

The Tesoro forum is not toxic, just a couple of trolls!

 

[Sven]

It must be really hard for some to see others having fun - a good time - enjoying using a Tesoro while "making" great finds.................

 

[MichiganJason]

The problem I think is people get personally offended if another doesn't care for the detector they use. That baffles me. Why would I care at all if someone bashes the detector I use? Maybe they've had a different experience with it. Like I've said before, I love Tesoro detectors, I just think the Vaquero is terribly overrated. That's not bashing it or trying to be a troll. When I am in the market for a new detector I want to hear the good and the bad about it. It seems here if anyone has a negative feeling towards a particular Tesoro, they are wrong, rude, bashing, trolling, etc. There is a lot of false praise and dishonesty when you don't allow the good and the bad.

 

[mojotrout]

The problem I think is people get personally offended if another doesn't care for the detector they use. That baffles me. Why would I care at all if someone bashes the detector I use? Maybe they've had a different experience with it. Like I've said before, I love Tesoro detectors, I just think the Vaquero is terribly overrated. That's not bashing it or trying to be a troll. When I am in the market for a new detector I want to hear the good and the bad about it. It seems here if anyone has a negative feeling towards a particular Tesoro, they are wrong, rude, bashing, trolling, etc. There is a lot of false praise and dishonesty when you don't allow the good and the bad.

I have to agree with Jason the OP's definition of toxic is different than mine. I have not read anything on this forum that I would consider personally insulting to anyone. Granted, Im not sure if this forum is the place to talk about Tesoro's business model, but when it comes to detector performance talk I haven't seen any name-calling or personal attacks, only criticisms of a particular Tesoro model in particular situations. Why does that ruffle feathers? Its one of the best things about this forum IMO.

We can use the recent Vaq discussions as an example-- If a guy reads dozens of posts saying how great a Vaquero works in iron, then went out and bought one only to find out it under-performs for him in iron, why shouldn't he be able to voice HIS experiences with that machine in the very forum that espoused its virtues in the first place? It's nothing to take personally, its just two separate experiences and both deserve ink. Honest (and detailed) descriptions of detector performance is important for folks who want to make informed decisions on their detector purchase and/or want to improve their skills with a detector. Its also a great way for Tesoro to know what is, and more importantly, is not working. Maybe the guy wasnt using the Vaq correctly. Maybe his soil isnt a good match for the Vaq. Maybe it really does suck in many iron infested sites. Maybe most other detectors suck in those sites too. No one knows unless both sides of a conversation takes place.

It is these conversations/ debates/ experiences/ information sharing that increases all of our knowledge in this hobby. I would hate to see it suppressed just because some of us are a little thin-skinned about guys criticizing their chosen brand or model. Maybe Im wrong-- I often am-- but I did not think this forum was simply a place for Tesoro users to pat each other on the back and flag wave. I thought it was a place to compare notes on both the success and failures of the machine and its users. The criticisms posted here help Tesoro far more than all of the compliments do. As long as it is done in a respectful manner it should be welcomed by all.

A tip of the hat to the moderators for their, er, moderation in this regard.

Now, BRING ON THE CAZADOR!

Mi dos pesos.

 

[The Bat]

Patience Grasshoppers

 

[Sven]

I think what toxic means in the past few posts is someone who consistently comes onto a forum of a particular brand and does not but complain about it. Stirs up the pot for comments and rebuttle.
If you look at a particular persons postings,many were in the Tesoro forum nothing but complaints of one thing or another.
Nothing really constructive posted. And the good posts were about another brand. That's almost like stalking...LOL

The one good thing to come of it, is that you saw there were many Tesoro fans to stick up for machines they like to use.
We all know Tesoros or any other brand, models have strength's and weakness'. For that simple reason most own more than one detector.
I'll use anything brand or model that fits my hunting style and given situation. I am not brand loyal 100%. But, have found that certain model
White's, Tesoros, Detectorpro cover most my needs. In racing terms, those brands and models are torquey, steady even power and control-able
to get me from point A-B without getting into trouble. Lot of the other brands, models are high rpm peaky, shallow rpm powerband, lots of wheelspin,
squirrelly, which can be a handful. Not an enjoyable experience going from point A-B. I avoid those machines. Some of us own both types and when
it comes time to relax while hunting put the Tesoro on the track.

I like reading the good and bad about machines, you get a better idea how they perform in different areas for different people. Like shopping for a car.
Good to know ahead of time what you are planning on buying is going to work for you. No one want a Lemon. We know there are several brands out there
that put a few on the market..........................got to stop rambling. Need to add a Tesoro to my arsenal again..............even just to have one..............

 

[SkiWhiz]

Yeah...I think CladDog is right...sheesh! Northerns get pretty mean when its snowing out, in Late March...like again today, 107 days with snow cover and no end in sight!
Just bear with us a little longer...at least we can sort of help each other through this mess by fighting on the Forum instead of fighting in the house!

Hey, look, you Tee boys shouldnt take it personal, you have a very active and fun Forum here, you all are excellent hunters, good solid American Product, huge results...so what if somebody takes a few shots?
Let them have a little fun since they cant find dink with their highbuck gear!
Mud

Its been such a long cold winter here in northern New York that I am starting to get a bit ugly, ya better watch it Tesoro .

 

[dirt doctor]

Hmmmm...... that may explain some of it . That was great Tabman . Thanks for a fresh perspective .

 

[upfishcreek]

Seriously. It wasn't intended as you perceive. And the V post didn't set me off haha. I have a compadre. I took it out and it didn't do well in a snow covered field that had lots of frozen water etc. So I can say for me the machine kind of sucked for me in that situation. What I won't do is lump the machine as junk, the users of the machine as dumb and the company that makes it out of touch with reality because they continue to make it. People can be honest without attacking the world around them. .

 

[reddirtfisher]

This isn't so hard to understand. Tesoro is the one who keeps things stirred up. If people were happy with them I don't think there would be all this so-called "toxic", "negative" stuff. We need to remember that many hobbyists tend to need more than just a good detector. They want great accessories, current magazines & brochures, an updated website, and some signs of LIFE in the company. Also the new stricter repair policy doesn't help. I know all you guys who are trying to be "nice" may not agree. It's kind of depressing when a new detector model is dangled in front of you then .....silence. JMHO.

 

[kozyman]

The internet has made people this way...Before the internet you would not have any information about new machines, new anything. You waited for the next treasure magazine to find out anything new..Today with the internet people expect new technology and products as fast as the information about them comes out. I can remember 30 years ago about driving up to Kellyco to see if anything was new out, and talk to the guys there about any news about new detectors. I think its just to easy to get online to complain about this and that. Tesoro is doing what they have been doing for years. When the new detector is ready it will come out. They are a no bells and whistle detector company, always have been, Thats just the way they roll.

 

[square_nail]

Tesoro has like, what, 24 employees? They aren't a mega-company with giant R&D and marketing departments. Tesoro makes great metal detectors, lightweight, affordably-priced, and made right here in the USA. If that wasn't enough, they back them up with the best warranty in the business. Oh, and you can call them and actually speak to a human being. If you ask me, they represent all that's still right with this country. They harken back to an age, that frankly, I miss. I'm astounded to hear people put them down. In fact, I heard someone complaining on another forum that they had to pay a nominal fee to get their SECOND HAND Tesoro fixed. Give some people an inch and they want to take a mile. And not only do they try to take that mile, they bash the company on the Internet, knowing it will hurt future sales. There will come a day, not just in consumer electronics, but in all businesses, when there will only be huge corporations left and the consumer will be stuck with the mass-produced, foreign-made garbage that they feed them. Then people will wish there was still a company like Tesoro around. Aside from all that, their detectors are truly awesome, at least to those who have the patience to learn them.

 

[SkiWhiz]

Tesoro has like, what, 24 employees? They aren't a mega-company with giant R&D and marketing departments. Tesoro makes great metal detectors, lightweight, affordably-priced, and made right here in the USA. If that wasn't enough, they back them up with the best warranty in the business. Oh, and you can call them and actually speak to a human being. If you ask me, they represent all that's still right with this country. They harken back to an age, that frankly, I miss. I'm astounded to hear people put them down. In fact, I heard someone complaining on another forum that they had to pay a nominal fee to get their SECOND HAND Tesoro fixed. Give some people an inch and they want to take a mile. And not only do they try to take that mile, they bash the company on the Internet, knowing it will hurt future sales. There will come a day, not just in consumer electronics, but in all businesses, when there will only be huge corporations left and the consumer will be stuck with the mass-produced, foreign-made garbage that they feed them. Then people will wish there was still a company like Tesoro around. Aside from all that, their detectors are truly awesome, at least to those who have the patience to learn them.

Well said, I agree 100%.