Whites new detector

[pescadore]

I agree !! Standardized VDI numbers are the way to go.

 

[Mike Hillis]

Auto Tracking doesn't work that well for me, so I like to balance and then lock the tracking down.
Can you do that on the GT?

Thanks
Mike

 

[Monte]

the new CoinGT, a slightly simplified 6T, only has the Auto-Trac circuitry and you can't 'lock' it. However, it is a very quick automated GB system and from my field use so far I have been very impressed with the tracking efficiency. I selected two sites that are known for having some hot rock challenges but it didn't fool the CoinGT.

Monte

 

[Mike Hillis]

Thanks Monte.

HH
Mike

 

[Boston]

Not really what I was hoping for in a new detector from Whites, but I'm sure someone will enjoy it!

.....This gizmo of a new machine is a rehash. Nothing more nothing less. Change the HOOD and TAIL LIGHT and you now have a 56 chevy instead of a 55. You wizards of smart, don't you people realize that there is nothing left to put into a machine.

 

[Tom Slick]

Not really what I was hoping for in a new detector from Whites, but I'm sure someone will enjoy it!

.....This gizmo of a new machine is a rehash. Nothing more nothing less. Change the HOOD and TAIL LIGHT and you now have a 56 chevy instead of a 55. You wizards of smart, don't you people realize that there is nothing left to put into a machine.

Sounds like something a guy said in 1956 while looking at the new chevy. I can think of a few new "Gizmos" they added since then.

 

[Mike Hillis]

You are right, Boston. Nothing new.

But.....one machine or feature set does not fit all users. I like it when mfg put together different feature sets in various combinations. It makes it easier to find a detector that fits one's requirements. There are several things I like about this one:

1st is the price.
2nd is the tone id feature. Each discrimination segment having it's own tone.
3rd is the ability to notch out any one of the discrimination segments, including the high conductors without doing a bunch of programing.
4th is the TID numbers.
5th is the ability to lock the ground tracking.
6th is the backlight.

I had looked at the Prizm G5 and 6T early on but didn't like the price put on the features. But 6T features at a $400 price point is a very good deal!

What I really want to know is the TID range for each of the discrimination segments, especially for the foil, nickel, and pull tab segments.

HH
Mike

 

[Monte]

Not really what I was hoping for in a new detector from Whites, but I'm sure someone will enjoy it!

We can all 'hope' for something a little different, and for many people, the new Coin GT will be enjoyed.

....This gizmo of a new machine is a rehash. Nothing more nothing less. Change the HOOD and TAIL LIGHT and you now have a 56 chevy instead of a 55. You wizards of smart, don't you people realize that there is nothing left to put into a machine.

A "REHASH?" Oh, there still are some things that can be done with a detector, just not the great strides we once got to enjoy.

It's been almost 30 years since we first saw a Target ID metal detector, but TID, today, isn't just a REHASH of those early models. Yes,most of us who have been around and involved in the industry for a good while realized we've sort-of hit a wall with regard to what new and exciting changes we might see as a "new" function. 'S' rods have been around for 30 years, Ground Balance/Discrimination modes since '78, control housings are smaller that what we once dealt with. Yes, a lot of things are the same or little changed, but that doesn't mean there can't be some progress.

Many hobbyists find some new models to be friendlier for them or for certain needs or wants. Manufacturers have to try and provide worthwhile detector models to appeal to a broad range of buyers, based upon appearance, features, performance and price. At time, some changes might seem minor, but that doesn't make then simply a 'rehash' when they accomplish a logical goal. White's worked to provide a niche model before, and have now made two basic changes to 'fit' that model into a price point they needed to fill.

When they invested R&D into the Prizm 6T they used the excellent 8-AA battery tray concept, but made a new and smaller size and shape battery housing for the 6T. They also made significant changes in the electronics and features the 6T offered over all the lower-prices Prizm series models.The only real concerns I personally had were that the Prizm 6T was a decent performing and well featured model, but priced a little higher than where I thought the market trend needed help.

I know, I am just sharing my personal marketing opinions, but when you look at all the competition, it makes sense. The Prizm 6T isn't an M6 or an MXT or MXT Pro or VX3. It also isn't the same as the lower-cost Prizm and Coinmaster models, either. The 6T's MSRP was $699.95, just the same as the M6. White's did have a coupon out there that would let the buyer get a $100 discount, but I saw a few problems. One was that due to the suggested retail, a bulk of the White's dealers didn't get a Prizm 6T to learn it or promote it. Most consumers didn't see it in a shop or hear much about it, and also didn't know about the $100 coupon.

Even with that, however, it was still at a price point that was out-of-touch or not considered by many newcomers to the hobby. White's eventually made three changes to the Prizm 6T to bring us the Coinmaster GT, and it is definitely a detector many hobbyists or avid detectorists ought to consider. The changes were simple, and important.:

1.. Change the color from black to burgundy so the new unit made a top-end Coinmaster series model.

2.. Cut production costs to save some money by eliminating the 3 piece rod/lock system and using the 2-piece Coinmaster rod set.

3.. Accomplish the above and hit the $399.95 price-point WITHOUT losing any of the Prizm 6T's features or performance.

To me, that's not a simple 'rehash' but more of a move to efficiency to satisfy the consumers.

Besides, I liked the '56 Chevy more than the '55 or '57, but that's just me.

I sold a Coin GT to a fellow this past Saturday who already had two White's models. In a group presentation I asked him to hold the Coin GT and push the buttons to access the different functions as I waived sample targets past the search coil. At meetings end, he bought the Coin Gt as he liked the simplicity and features, even over his DFX. Is the DFX a better detector? Yes, to some, but it can also be more detector than some people care to try and learn, and the Coin GT offers M6/MXT-like Auto-Trac and quick-response, plus other features that make it appealing.

For him. it might be the more often used detector. We all have our own set of likes and dislikes.


Now, I note that when I started this reply you had only posted on the Findmall Forums 10 times. I don't know you and I am sure most others don't either, so just realize these are my opinions to your post that I offer, and they are not intended to be taken negatively. I have been around here and contributed a wee bit more so maybe my views are accepted by some readers.

And to one of you posts you made on a different Findmall Forum, I'll comment also.:

These coils [ Hot Head ] were first made by Compass for Kellyco and later Wilson started making them followed by Discovery Electronics who made the Hot Head and later making the Ferret coil which was a 5.5 coil.

Discovery made these coils [ Ferret ] for White's and Garrett which were a concentric style only. I have a IDX Pro with the Ferret coil and it is a sharp little coil. Now for Minelab, Discovery went out of business before Minelab came along and maybe someone picked up their line and made a coil for Minelab...???

I discussed the Kellyco brand Hot Head coils with Ron Mack, a co-founder of Compass and company president when I went to work there as their Marketing Rep and Dealer Coordinator in the latter '80s. I don't recall the specialty coils ever being made by Compass for Kellyco, and at the time they were rather firm about not dealing with Kellyco in any manner that would compete with their Dealer or Distributor base.

After they sold out and were quickly dying off, the new owners might have, but I think all that business when to Discovery Electronics.

As for that little Ferret coil, I agree with you that if you have a good working coil, you have a dandy for hunting in and around trashier and brushier sites. I used to use one a lot on my White's IDX Pro (modified), and I'll give you a tip-of-the-hat for having a good Classic series model (the IDX Pro) in your personal arsenal.

I don't think anyone picked up the Hot head/Ferret coil business, especially after Kellco started bringing in their Detech Excellerator and SEF coils. I have a Ferret coil here for the White's models (6.59 kHz) that is a friends, but it doesn't work. I wish I knew someone who could do a worthy job of repairing that for my friend as I know he would enjoy affixing it to his own IDX Pro.

Monte

 

[Boston]

Not really what I was hoping for in a new detector from Whites, but I'm sure someone will enjoy it!

We can all 'hope' for something a little different, and for many people, the new Coin GT will be enjoyed.

....This gizmo of a new machine is a rehash. Nothing more nothing less. Change the HOOD and TAIL LIGHT and you now have a 56 chevy instead of a 55. You wizards of smart, don't you people realize that there is nothing left to put into a machine.

A "REHASH?" Oh, there still are some things that can be done with a detector, just not the great strides we once got to enjoy.

It's been almost 30 years since we first saw a Target ID metal detector, but TID, today, isn't just a REHASH of those early models. Yes,most of us who have been around and involved in the industry for a good while realized we've sort-of hit a wall with regard to what new and exciting changes we might see as a "new" function. 'S' rods have been around for 30 years, Ground Balance/Discrimination modes since '78, control housings are smaller that what we once dealt with. Yes, a lot of things are the same or little changed, but that doesn't mean there can't be some progress.

Many hobbyists find some new models to be friendlier for them or for certain needs or wants. Manufacturers have to try and provide worthwhile detector models to appeal to a broad range of buyers, based upon appearance, features, performance and price. At time, some changes might seem minor, but that doesn't make then simply a 'rehash' when they accomplish a logical goal. White's worked to provide a niche model before, and have now made two basic changes to 'fit' that model into a price point they needed to fill.

When they invested R&D into the Prizm 6T they used the excellent 8-AA battery tray concept, but made a new and smaller size and shape battery housing for the 6T. They also made significant changes in the electronics and features the 6T offered over all the lower-prices Prizm series models.The only real concerns I personally had were that the Prizm 6T was a decent performing and well featured model, but priced a little higher than where I thought the market trend needed help.

I know, I am just sharing my personal marketing opinions, but when you look at all the competition, it makes sense. The Prizm 6T isn't an M6 or an MXT or MXT Pro or VX3. It also isn't the same as the lower-cost Prizm and Coinmaster models, either. The 6T's MSRP was $699.95, just the same as the M6. White's did have a coupon out there that would let the buyer get a $100 discount, but I saw a few problems. One was that due to the suggested retail, a bulk of the White's dealers didn't get a Prizm 6T to learn it or promote it. Most consumers didn't see it in a shop or hear much about it, and also didn't know about the $100 coupon.

Even with that, however, it was still at a price point that was out-of-touch or not considered by many newcomers to the hobby. White's eventually made three changes to the Prizm 6T to bring us the Coinmaster GT, and it is definitely a detector many hobbyists or avid detectorists ought to consider. The changes were simple, and important.:

1.. Change the color from black to burgundy so the new unit made a top-end Coinmaster series model.

2.. Cut production costs to save some money by eliminating the 3 piece rod/lock system and using the 2-piece Coinmaster rod set.

3.. Accomplish the above and hit the $399.95 price-point WITHOUT losing any of the Prizm 6T's features or performance.

To me, that's not a simple 'rehash' but more of a move to efficiency to satisfy the consumers.

Besides, I liked the '56 Chevy more than the '55 or '57, but that's just me.

I sold a Coin GT to a fellow this past Saturday who already had two White's models. In a group presentation I asked him to hold the Coin GT and push the buttons to access the different functions as I waived sample targets past the search coil. At meetings end, he bought the Coin Gt as he liked the simplicity and features, even over his DFX. Is the DFX a better detector? Yes, to some, but it can also be more detector than some people care to try and learn, and the Coin GT offers M6/MXT-like Auto-Trac and quick-response, plus other features that make it appealing.

For him. it might be the more often used detector. We all have our own set of likes and dislikes.


Now, I note that when I started this reply you had only posted on the Findmall Forums 10 times. I don't know you and I am sure most others don't either, so just realize these are my opinions to your post that I offer, and they are not intended to be taken negatively. I have been around here and contributed a wee bit more so maybe my views are accepted by some readers.

And to one of you posts you made on a different Findmall Forum, I'll comment also.:

These coils [ Hot Head ] were first made by Compass for Kellyco and later Wilson started making them followed by Discovery Electronics who made the Hot Head and later making the Ferret coil which was a 5.5 coil.

Discovery made these coils [ Ferret ] for White's and Garrett which were a concentric style only. I have a IDX Pro with the Ferret coil and it is a sharp little coil. Now for Minelab, Discovery went out of business before Minelab came along and maybe someone picked up their line and made a coil for Minelab...???

I discussed the Kellyco brand Hot Head coils with Ron Mack, a co-founder of Compass and company president when I went to work there as their Marketing Rep and Dealer Coordinator in the latter '80s. I don't recall the specialty coils ever being made by Compass for Kellyco, and at the time they were rather firm about not dealing with Kellyco in any manner that would compete with their Dealer or Distributor base.

After they sold out and were quickly dying off, the new owners might have, but I think all that business when to Discovery Electronics.

As for that little Ferret coil, I agree with you that if you have a good working coil, you have a dandy for hunting in and around trashier and brushier sites. I used to use one a lot on my White's IDX Pro (modified), and I'll give you a tip-of-the-hat for having a good Classic series model (the IDX Pro) in your personal arsenal.

I don't think anyone picked up the Hot head/Ferret coil business, especially after Kellco started bringing in their Detech Excellerator and SEF coils. I have a Ferret coil here for the White's models (6.59 kHz) that is a friends, but it doesn't work. I wish I knew someone who could do a worthy job of repairing that for my friend as I know he would enjoy affixing it to his own IDX Pro.

Monte

....Without the early Kellyco catalogs I can not prove it. Compass did sell and make the Hot Head, but lasted for a very short time, margin of profit I guess. Then Wilson followed by Discovery. There were 4 Hot Heads 12" made for the White's Models....[1] SL/DL 6000, 5900,4900 DL Max...[2] Quantum 2 and QXT... [3] XLT/Spectrum/Eagle...[4] Ferret 5.5 For All The 6.59 Models...Boston