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What's the Dumbest thing you've heard while Looting?:rofl:
- Thread starter bdahunter
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dirtdigginlady
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Steve in Ohio: You wouldn't have been part of that whole Mad Men group back in the day would you?
I take exception to your bias against the term 'LOOTING' as this is part of my cultural heritage; my great grandfather was a sea captain and it is rumoured that he often had cargo mysteriously appear in the hold that was not on the manifest, how it got there is anyone's guess.
Casting dispersions upon my culture is highly discriminatory and offensive, as you say 'Words are Powerful', so I would appreciate if you would refrain from these attacks that only serve to prove your bias. uke:
The 'F' word is a particular favorite of mine as it is used regularly in my profession; indeed it is often impossible to get some of my men to understand me without a liberal sprinkling of the 'F' word in my instructions to them. (as noun, verb, adjective, adverb and all other permutations that the human mind can devise for such a maleable word) What confuses people is when the 'F' word is corrupted by mealy mouthed fancy pants types that couldn't say the 'S' word if they had a mouthful of it. (which they usually do in my experience) Frig, Frack, Fuddleduddle, 'F'etc.; only serve to confuse and debase (if you mean it then say it like you mean it) one of the most versatile words in the English language and a term that has been argueably the most exported English word, globally.(Coca Cola being a possible contender)
Regardless of the terminology used, I take issue with your assertion that the widely and proudly used term 'LOOTING' is a detriment to the public image of those engaged in the hobby of metal detecting the beaches and surfsides around the world. People take exception to anything that they perceive to be different just because it is human nature, once they take exception to something there will always be a few politically correct, self serving individuals that will seek to ban the offending activity for their own self righteous ends. Pandering to these types of people is a waste of time and energy, censoring ourselves doesn't make a positive impression on these people either as they have a habit of convicting before trial anything that is different or unusual, in their estimation.
The best ways of increasing public acceptance of our hobby is to be courteous to others using the beach, clean up after ourselves by refilling the holes we dig, carry out the trash we dig up (make a show of this as you exit the beach) and by providing the ocassional return of an identifiable item to the careless person that lost said item.
Actions Speak Louder Than Words,
I take exception to your bias against the term 'LOOTING' as this is part of my cultural heritage; my great grandfather was a sea captain and it is rumoured that he often had cargo mysteriously appear in the hold that was not on the manifest, how it got there is anyone's guess.
Casting dispersions upon my culture is highly discriminatory and offensive, as you say 'Words are Powerful', so I would appreciate if you would refrain from these attacks that only serve to prove your bias. uke:The 'F' word is a particular favorite of mine as it is used regularly in my profession; indeed it is often impossible to get some of my men to understand me without a liberal sprinkling of the 'F' word in my instructions to them. (as noun, verb, adjective, adverb and all other permutations that the human mind can devise for such a maleable word) What confuses people is when the 'F' word is corrupted by mealy mouthed fancy pants types that couldn't say the 'S' word if they had a mouthful of it. (which they usually do in my experience) Frig, Frack, Fuddleduddle, 'F'etc.; only serve to confuse and debase (if you mean it then say it like you mean it) one of the most versatile words in the English language and a term that has been argueably the most exported English word, globally.(Coca Cola being a possible contender)
Regardless of the terminology used, I take issue with your assertion that the widely and proudly used term 'LOOTING' is a detriment to the public image of those engaged in the hobby of metal detecting the beaches and surfsides around the world. People take exception to anything that they perceive to be different just because it is human nature, once they take exception to something there will always be a few politically correct, self serving individuals that will seek to ban the offending activity for their own self righteous ends. Pandering to these types of people is a waste of time and energy, censoring ourselves doesn't make a positive impression on these people either as they have a habit of convicting before trial anything that is different or unusual, in their estimation.
The best ways of increasing public acceptance of our hobby is to be courteous to others using the beach, clean up after ourselves by refilling the holes we dig, carry out the trash we dig up (make a show of this as you exit the beach) and by providing the ocassional return of an identifiable item to the careless person that lost said item.
Actions Speak Louder Than Words,
I can understand Steve's point on visitors to this site seeing the term looting and taking it to far, maybe even publishing negative articles about it in magazines or papers. However, when they click on the messages and read the posts they know what and how people feel about this hobby. Most of us are respectable polite folks that respect the property we hunt on whether it is public or private by permission.
The term Looting on this site has its own definition in my opinion which refers to looking for lost treasure on the beach/surf consisting of gold, silver, coins and jewelry old or new. Those finds once in your pouch become your Loot. I don't have a problem with it when referring to beach detecting whatsoever. And by no means am I trying to belittle you or insult your heritage or culture.
Looting is the same as Robbery, which is by force or threat of force by displaying a weapon or the threat of using a weapon or physical force. If I catch someone Looting my house they will be shot simply said. Not only does the law allow me to protect my property and family from such a crime, I am a law enforcement officer and will not tolerate those that would attempt this on my domain.
As far as Steve insulting your cultural heritage you got to be kidding me! And how was he being discriminatory and offensive and attacking your culture, it seems he was being concerned what visitors may think when visiting this site and seeing the Term Looting. Without cultural diversity this country would not be the country that it is today and culture runs much deeper than someones opinion on how the term Looting should be used or the way others may interpret it. Being concerned about what others may think by the terms used here or in the field which reflects directly to the future of this great hobby IS NOT an attack on your culture or heritage it was just Steve's opinion on how others might perceive the term.
If he was attacking you personally I sure did not see any posts relevant to the fact. Our culture and our heritage runs deep and why is someone getting ridiculed about the word Looting by saying they were insulting someones culture. GIVE ME A BREAK. Never in my life would I have thought I would see such ruffled feathers over the word LOOTING.
We have modern day Pirates out there on our seas now, attacking and Robbing/Looting by force our cargo ships. That is going to be a part of someones heritage and culture, I would not insult someone over their heritage or culture but I sure am not going to condone a Robber or a Thief.
I am land locked but I sure love to go LOOTING for a chance of Gold at the beach when I am on vacation.
BDA Hunter I agree with your post on using the term Looting, however I don't agree that anyone was attacking your culture or heritage.
BCOOP
The term Looting on this site has its own definition in my opinion which refers to looking for lost treasure on the beach/surf consisting of gold, silver, coins and jewelry old or new. Those finds once in your pouch become your Loot. I don't have a problem with it when referring to beach detecting whatsoever. And by no means am I trying to belittle you or insult your heritage or culture.
Looting is the same as Robbery, which is by force or threat of force by displaying a weapon or the threat of using a weapon or physical force. If I catch someone Looting my house they will be shot simply said. Not only does the law allow me to protect my property and family from such a crime, I am a law enforcement officer and will not tolerate those that would attempt this on my domain.
As far as Steve insulting your cultural heritage you got to be kidding me! And how was he being discriminatory and offensive and attacking your culture, it seems he was being concerned what visitors may think when visiting this site and seeing the Term Looting. Without cultural diversity this country would not be the country that it is today and culture runs much deeper than someones opinion on how the term Looting should be used or the way others may interpret it. Being concerned about what others may think by the terms used here or in the field which reflects directly to the future of this great hobby IS NOT an attack on your culture or heritage it was just Steve's opinion on how others might perceive the term.
If he was attacking you personally I sure did not see any posts relevant to the fact. Our culture and our heritage runs deep and why is someone getting ridiculed about the word Looting by saying they were insulting someones culture. GIVE ME A BREAK. Never in my life would I have thought I would see such ruffled feathers over the word LOOTING.
We have modern day Pirates out there on our seas now, attacking and Robbing/Looting by force our cargo ships. That is going to be a part of someones heritage and culture, I would not insult someone over their heritage or culture but I sure am not going to condone a Robber or a Thief.
I am land locked but I sure love to go LOOTING for a chance of Gold at the beach when I am on vacation.
BDA Hunter I agree with your post on using the term Looting, however I don't agree that anyone was attacking your culture or heritage.
BCOOP
Steve from Ohio
New member
Not to hijack this topic and it is kind of off topic but...........and maybe I just have too much time on my hands with all the snow and stuff here in Ohio................
Yes I agree totally. I pick up so much trash it isn't even funny and if I can I return anything I find if I can identify who owns say a ring or money. I particularly love the story of the Hockey championship ring recently found and returned to the owner. I love stories like that especially about people who lost something of great personal value to them and then returned. It makes my heart soar with pride. I dream of doing something like that.
But then I read about these creeps who were really LOOTING around the homes on the beach in Massachusetts that were destroyed by storms. Reporters were asking the people with metal detectors about how nice it was they came out to help the home owners find their belongings. One of the creeps said he was not there to help anyone but himself to stuff he found. I could have wrapped his metal detector around his neck.
Yes I agree totally. I pick up so much trash it isn't even funny and if I can I return anything I find if I can identify who owns say a ring or money. I particularly love the story of the Hockey championship ring recently found and returned to the owner. I love stories like that especially about people who lost something of great personal value to them and then returned. It makes my heart soar with pride. I dream of doing something like that.
But then I read about these creeps who were really LOOTING around the homes on the beach in Massachusetts that were destroyed by storms. Reporters were asking the people with metal detectors about how nice it was they came out to help the home owners find their belongings. One of the creeps said he was not there to help anyone but himself to stuff he found. I could have wrapped his metal detector around his neck.
Steve from Ohio
New member
Uh....refrain from declaring words to be powerful......OK.....I will stop. I will try to use Looting in every post I make from now on to honor your families involvement in LOOTING. If I don't get kicked off for using the N F and S words first. Not the N, F and S word themselves but the use of N WORD, F WORD and S WORD. I will if I have a chance LOOT everywhere I go and use LOOT every chance I can.bdahunter said:Steve in Ohio: You wouldn't have been part of that whole Mad Men group back in the day would you?
I take exception to your bias against the term 'LOOTING' as this is part of my cultural heritage; my great grandfather was a sea captain and it is rumoured that he often had cargo mysteriously appear in the hold that was not on the manifest, how it got there is anyone's guess.
The 'F' word is a particular favorite of mine as it is used regularly in my profession; indeed it is often impossible to get some of my men to understand me without a liberal sprinkling of the 'F' word in my instructions to them. (as noun, verb, adjective, adverb and all other permutations that the human mind can devise for such a maleable word) What confuses people is when the 'F' word is corrupted by mealy mouthed fancy pants types that couldn't say the 'S' word if they had a mouthful of it. (which they usually do in my experience) Frig, Frack, Fuddleduddle, 'F'etc.; only serve to confuse and debase (if you mean it then say it like you mean it) one of the most versatile words in the English language and a term that has been argueably the most exported English word, globally.(Coca Cola being a possible contender)
Regardless of the terminology used, I take issue with your assertion that the widely and proudly used term 'LOOTING' is a detriment to the public image of those engaged in the hobby of metal detecting the beaches and surfsides around the world. People take exception to anything that they perceive to be different just because it is human nature, once they take exception to something there will always be a few politically correct, self serving individuals that will seek to ban the offending activity for their own self righteous ends. Pandering to these types of people is a waste of time and energy, censoring ourselves doesn't make a positive impression on these people either as they have a habit of convicting before trial anything that is different or unusual, in their estimation.
The best ways of increasing public acceptance of our hobby is to be courteous to others using the beach, clean up after ourselves by refilling the holes we dig, carry out the trash we dig up (make a show of this as you exit the beach) and by providing the ocassional return of an identifiable item to the careless person that lost said item.Actions Speak Louder Than Words,
I will also use the F word. After all the F word will soon have to be banned....not the F word itself which already has, but "F WORD" will have to be banned because everyone knows what the "F WORD" means. F and WORD will have to be banned from being used within say three words between them.
And the "N WORD" . Of course the "N WORD" will eventually be banned because everyone know by now what the "N WORD" means so we better watch what we are saying. N and Word will have to be prevented from being used anywhere near each other.
Sorry for the rant but for a while there, if I heard the "F WORD" ing word LOOTING I would have just thought it was a ...well you know.......if I use the letter and the word "WORD" I will get in trouble because everyone knows what that letter word is . Now I know better and that a lot of people LOOTED and have family members that practiced "F WORD"ing LOOTING.
Gee I hope I don't get banned for this. Sorry I know how powerful the N word, the F word and all the other alphabet words are. Maybe we should just ban the word "WORD" as we all know how powerful that word "WORD" can be after a letter.
Happy LOOTING you "F WORD"ing looters!
Holy "S WORD". this can really get out of "F WORD" ing control. Maybe if we ban..........
It is a matter of family history that my great grandfather was a bit of a pirate/smuggler but in fairness my comment about cultural disparaging had more to do with sarcasm towards the political correctness that has become so prevalent in the last decade. Regrettably, there is no icon to indicate tongue in cheek comments, though I did my best to convey that with the icons available.
I willingly admit that political correctness is a pet peeve of mine and I would shoot the politically correct along with those house looters in Michigan, but I also feel that political correctness has gone too far. Surf pirating is fun and so long as it remains fun, I will continue looting the surf wherever I go. Easy enough to do when I can spit in the ocean from my back deck.
My Backyard:
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I'll also continue to do returns, based upon my own judgement. Once an item is lost in the ocean it is considered fair game in my mind but I will gladly return items if the careless person makes an effort to make the item returnable. ie. asks for help, engraves the item, etc. I returned 3 rings last year and I do not accept rewards. However, I am reconsidering my policy on that topic because of the time, energy and investment in equipment that is required to do these good deeds - all because of the careless and irresponsible behavior of the 'previous' owner of lost item. If it is on their finger it is theirs, if they choose to risk losing their jewellery by swimming in the water with it and I find it after they lose it, then it is loot and my option to decide what I do with it.
In summary, let's not get caught up in the nuances of terminology but rather focus our energies where they will do some good by how we actually act in public. As for political correctness I defer to that master looter 'Royal' who carries this bi-line on all his posts. (probably stole the line from someone else too, the pirate)
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
I willingly admit that political correctness is a pet peeve of mine and I would shoot the politically correct along with those house looters in Michigan, but I also feel that political correctness has gone too far. Surf pirating is fun and so long as it remains fun, I will continue looting the surf wherever I go. Easy enough to do when I can spit in the ocean from my back deck.My Backyard:
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I'll also continue to do returns, based upon my own judgement. Once an item is lost in the ocean it is considered fair game in my mind but I will gladly return items if the careless person makes an effort to make the item returnable. ie. asks for help, engraves the item, etc. I returned 3 rings last year and I do not accept rewards. However, I am reconsidering my policy on that topic because of the time, energy and investment in equipment that is required to do these good deeds - all because of the careless and irresponsible behavior of the 'previous' owner of lost item. If it is on their finger it is theirs, if they choose to risk losing their jewellery by swimming in the water with it and I find it after they lose it, then it is loot and my option to decide what I do with it.
In summary, let's not get caught up in the nuances of terminology but rather focus our energies where they will do some good by how we actually act in public. As for political correctness I defer to that master looter 'Royal' who carries this bi-line on all his posts. (probably stole the line from someone else too, the pirate)
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
Steve from Ohio
New member
I took it that way you explained and I ran with it. I agree with you 100% as sarcasm is the best way to fight PC.
BEACH HUNTER
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I think you should refrain from making a judgment about those guy's on the beach in Mass. Seeing that whole news report was FALSE! It was ONE and only ONE house that got destroyed on that beach.....The waves only damaged the house...the owner called in heavy equipment and knocked the house on to the beach! Which littered the beach with trash,oil,chemicals!! I know the beach you talk of I know the guys who hunt it...They hunt everyday, after every storm! They hunted every day that week cause the beach was producing some silver coins...OLD ones Not from the house! That house being pushed on the beach ruined that whole section to any detecting for a long time due to the huge amount of trash,nails, ect. ! After the remains of the house were piled up in the dunes...some of this house owners neighbors sifted through the remains taking copper pipe wire ect!! Cause of there actions it was reported people were looting...So the police were posted to watch the remains!! The local media showed up and saw the guys down on the beach detecting and MADE UP the looting by the metal detecting guys! These guys asked the police posted if they could hunt the beach the police said sure just stay away from taped off area! The local news that reported this got flooded by emails and calls to retract the FALSE story! MANY Offer's were made to the house owners to find and return any valuable items lost....The owners never replied to the offers!! Many of these offers of help to the owners were given to local media ..even told to the news caster at the beach....funny none of this got much attention?? You making your above comments in no way helps our hobby! You being in the hobby I would think to know better than to believe the BIAS MEDIA!!Steve from Ohio said:
Steve from Ohio
New member
Maybe so. But I did see a video of a guy with a metal detector say what I heard. I do often go to the beach and see holes in the sand left by other detectorists who just dig and go. I see tin cans dug up and left on the surface.
I often see holes left by detectorists in grass on public property.
There is a reason why some cities and beaches ban metal detecting. Some based on truth and some reasons based on falsehoods.
All I can say is that we do agree that metal detecting often takes it on the chin when it comes to public relations and it is up to us to keep the hobby viable for those who want to MD.
I was surprised to hear that they allowed the house to be buried in the sand dune.
And the false report by the reporters as you say is evidence that metal detectorists are often seen in a bad light by many and we need to make sure we always put it in a good light by our service to others.
I often see holes left by detectorists in grass on public property.
There is a reason why some cities and beaches ban metal detecting. Some based on truth and some reasons based on falsehoods.
All I can say is that we do agree that metal detecting often takes it on the chin when it comes to public relations and it is up to us to keep the hobby viable for those who want to MD.
I was surprised to hear that they allowed the house to be buried in the sand dune.
And the false report by the reporters as you say is evidence that metal detectorists are often seen in a bad light by many and we need to make sure we always put it in a good light by our service to others.
BEACH HUNTER
New member
The video you speak of the guy...who I know personally said he was not there looking for stuff from the house he was looking for stuff washed up from the storm...stuff for his collection of old silver coins....the guy spoke to the reporter for over 20 minutes...he cut up the footage making the guy look bad and all of us look bad!! The house was not buried in the dunes...it was all trucked away. I was there watching it! I was also there talking to local police on the scene who said he had no reports of any one of the guys detecting going anywhere near the restricted areas..It is so disgusting how reality is so distorted! Also how quickly people take it as truth!! even some one in this hobby!Steve from Ohio said:
As I mentioned earlier, there is no placating those self serving, self righteous individuals with an axe to grind. Best ye be leaving these politically correct ideas ashore, landlubbers from Ohio have been forced to take a long walk on a short plank once out of sight of land.
ARRR Maties,
ARRR Maties,
Dumbest question: "Does that thing really work?"
To Steve in Ohio - Looting: If you don't like that word then how about 'goodies', 'finds', 'treasure', 'money', 'cash', etc. There are too many to list here. Then again to make it easy for all of us you could go to another forum.
Political Correctness? I don't believe in it. That has caused more problems in this country than anything else. You can't do this, you can't do that. You can't touch this, you can't touch that. He said, she said. Oh boo hoo. Suck it up and live life and to heck with political correctness.
To Steve in Ohio - Looting: If you don't like that word then how about 'goodies', 'finds', 'treasure', 'money', 'cash', etc. There are too many to list here. Then again to make it easy for all of us you could go to another forum.
Political Correctness? I don't believe in it. That has caused more problems in this country than anything else. You can't do this, you can't do that. You can't touch this, you can't touch that. He said, she said. Oh boo hoo. Suck it up and live life and to heck with political correctness.