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Whats the best way to find a watch lost in 20' deep lake?

rhouston8

New member
Guys,

I'm a newbie. Sorry. I have a problem that I bet you all could give good advice on. A friend's $5000 rolex came off while kneeboarding last week in a small fresh water lake. We used landmarks to remember the location. I'd imagine we have reasonable confidence that it's in a 50 yard x 50 yard area (maybe 80% confident). 100 yards x 100 yards at the most (95%+ confident).

We have been racking our brains concerning the best way to attempt to retrieve the watch. We do have basic scuba gear but would need lights. I tested the depth at 21'. Mud bottom. Still water in a typical MS ski lake. I don't know what the bottom topography is (stumps or the like,etc). We have a pontoon boat, ski boat, and bass boat.

Here are some of our thoughts I'd like you experienced guys to comment on if you will. First I guess we'd use some buoys and mark off the outer limits of the search.

1. go to Harbor Freight or other industrial supply company and buy strong strip like magnet. Drag the lake with it for a few hours and hopefully get lucky
2. get a piece of metal about the size of the watch and throw it in the lake and see if it reflects on a fishfinder. Does metal show up?
3. Hire a local diver who said he and a buddy would dive whatever area we want and would spend as much time searching by feeling along the bottom. $200 first hr and $100/hr after that.
4. Dive it ourselves and do the same. Would have to rent lights. i imagine the viz is utter crap and we certainly dont have experience with underwater searches.
5. Buy an underwater metal detector and either get hired divers to use or do it ourselves.\
6. can one rent underwater metal detectors? how much, where, what model/type? I'm clueless.
7. buy a standard $200-$300 metal detector that states "waterproof 8" coil" or the like and basically patch in 20 odd feet of wire into it and detach the coil for underwater use, leaving the guts of the detector in the boat. Dreg with it basically. Have the wires secured to steel cable and try to balance out the coil on something that hopefully will maintain appropriate configuration and not flip all around

Should we attempt diving before dregging to keep from mucking up the bottom and covering the watch further. We are 1 full week out now.
Do underwater searches need to have a bottom grid placed in addition to the buoy grid on the surface?

I'd guess we'd be willing to spend a full weekend time wise with maybe 4-5 guys assisting. And wouldnt want to spend more than $1500 trying to recover it. The absolute worst scenario that we want to avoid is not finding the watch after wasting $1500. The lost time, well, that'd be OK for us.

Thanks in advance,

Houston Hardin
Jackson, MS
 
If you know someone who's into scuba underwater detecting you could hire him to do the job.
If you drag the bottom you could push it deeper into the mud. If its a soft bottom likely has sunk deep enough already.
Not sure if a magnet would attract the watch not knowing what type of metal it is.
If its silver or gold magnet is useless.I don't think that Rolex watch have steel or iron in them.
An undisturbed bottom hunted by a person who does underwater recovery with a waterproof detector is likely your ticket.
 
For a 5K Rolex I think your best course of action would be to hire an experienced diver AND MD'er to search for you. I don't dive so I don't know what the going rate would be so I would advertise the loss to shop around for your best price offer. ( Try this forum ) If you have no diving or detecting experience it would not only probably be a waste of time but potentially very dangerous to attempt yourself. Your other proposed options would probably not be a good choice either for the reasons Joel mentioned above. BTW, the $ 2-300. detector you describe is nowhere near close to the quality/type of detector you would want to use to find the watch and I'm not sure how well any detector would work with 20+ feet of coil wire between it and the coil. MHO
HH
Scott
 
Here is a link to an organization that specializes in finding lost objects http://theringfinders.com/directory/
Check to see if there is a local MD'er/diver that can come out and do a search....
 
Drain the lake? :bouncy:

Sorry, couldn't resist.


Rich
 
In low vis water under water fish cameras can be a big advantage. consider renting one, go to home depot and buy aluminum snow rake extension handles, tape the cam and the cable to the pole,drive back and forth in a boat keeping the camera above the silt. hopefully you can catch a reflexion or see a depression in the silt. have a marker ready to throw out.

Keep us posted, good luck!
 
So do not try that method...... you will probably drive it deeper or drag it out of your designated area. Best bet.... either a diver with a good underwater machine... or a scoop like this one

[attachment 165238 scoop-009.jpg]

You toss it in the lake, tug on the rope to help it dig in, and then pull on the rope. You will feel the scoop dig in. When it is full, pull it to the surface and wash the mud out.

I have found everything from watches, sunglasses to money and gold and platinum rings with this scoop....... and everything in between. The best I have done was a trip to Revelstoke in B.C., here and pulled out this in a 4- 5 hour day.

[attachment 165239 revelstoke8.jpg]

Another trip to another lake produced this.... So it is worth trying..

[attachment 165240 eleanor-lake-038.jpg]

Good luck

Calm seas

micheal
 
Brilliant scoop-dredge idea Mikie !
Hh
scott
 
n/t
 
n/t
 
Hey, just go look. forget the detector or science. i have recovered many watches and most are visible. if you have two feet of vis it should not be difficult. Drop a row of markers where youy suspect it was lost. At 20 feet you can use SCUBA if the water is dark so your eyes only have to adjust once. if it has several feet of vis i would simply free dive so I could cover it with markers visable from the surface.

ken
 
Find a SCUBA person that also likes metal detecting.
He can dive down and recover the watch probably within one hour.

Where ... go to a shop that sells detectors and start asking there about local clubs.
You should find someone that can do it for you.

Why ... would anyone wear a $5000 watch while doing that?
Anyhow ... good luck and if you dont recover it perhaps someday some lucky water hunter will find the watch of his dreams.

Willee
 
We have the scuba gear and 3 certified divers albeit none are "treasure hunters" per se. The viz is gonna be terrible. Mississippi mud bottom 20' deep lake.
Local scuba shop rec' a couple divers who'd charge, as i said above, $200 the first hr and $100/hr thereafter and would search the bottom as long as we were willing to pay.
I can't seem to find an underwater metal detector or anyone that has one around Jackson, MS.

I don't feel the blind scoop/dredge method will work...too much area to cover and scoops are too small and will take too much time to sort thru the mud after each small pull.
The Rolex is not primarily silver or gold but rather stainless steel it seems. Regardless, we now feel the magnet method is low yield.
No, it was not covered by a homeowners policy.
Yes, my friend was a dumbass...but here's how it happened. The dads didnt ever plan on getting in the water. A bunch of our 8 year old girls finally talked him into riding the kneeboard as the last run of the day. And...well, he forgot he was wearing the watch and the driver of boat intentionally slung him out too fast about a turn causing him to have a fairly impressive wipe-out. Thats's the story for those interested.

Our best bet is obviously scuba with an UW MD. Problem is....How/Where can we get use of one at a reasonable price for this recovery attempt. This is a single use deal. We'll hopefully never use it again.
Can one rent a handheld underwater metal detector?
How much do "entry level" underwater metal detectors cost?...new? and how about used? Is there a site other than ebay to look for one.

I'd be more than happy to put up a refundable deposit for the full price of one if anyone will "rent" us one for a weekend for a couple hundred bucks. How about it? Contact me directly. Remove the NOSPAM from my email address below.

-Houston Hardin
Jackson, MS

rhouston8NOSPAM@gmail.com
 
Searched for UW MDs. I don't guess its worth the headache of trying to line one up for rental from an individual (but I would still be interested in so from a store)

I briefly searched kellycodetectors.com and ebay....


Lots of choices. All the way from $200 up to $2000 and more. I could waste a lot of time and still not come up withwhats best for me in this situation. Can someone with experience steer me towards a price range/make/model for this single purpose use ?

http://www.kellycodetectors.com/cobra/viperb.htm


http://www.kellycodetectors.com/cobra/beachmagnet-buy.htm

http://cgi.ebay.com/DISPLAY-AQUAVISION-PRO-UNDERWATER-DIVING-METAL-DETECTOR-/170502210609?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b2b94431#ht_2948wt_1138

a cheapie...$170.... http://cgi.ebay.com/Aqua-Man-Underwater-Metal-Detector-underwater-Headset-/220623721954?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335e32d5e2#ht_3804wt_912

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0029UFHZM/ref=asc_df_B0029UFHZM1148021?smid=A1N3RJPXDO3WOT&tag=dealtmp190837-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B0029UFHZM


Thanks everyone,

Houston
 
How's this one? Fairly affordable if it will do a reasonable job.

-HH


http://cgi.ebay.com/Cobra-Beach-Magnet-Metal-Detector-/400129663379?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d29962193#ht_3899wt_936
 
Don't waste your money on that Houston. I would advertise for someone to dive/search for you first. May end up being considerably cheaper than the cheap knock-off detector you mentioned. If you're bound and determined to get a machine to look for yourself, you can pick up a quality used water machine for not much more than you would pay for the junk one. JMHO Good luck.
HH
Scott
 
But any of the ones I mentioned will be more than adequate... If you get one of those cheap knock offs, you will only find frustration. :):

Or, hire someone with a good machine to search for you.

One other possibility I did not mention .... perhaps a dredge. Not the one I described below [although that will work too].... but a Keene or some such powered one that will move mud and sand.

Just another thought.

Calm seas

Micheal
 
It takes time to learn the nuances of what the machine is telling you. So if this is a one time thing, then an underwater machine is probably not the way to go. It can take 50 to 100 hours of use to adequately learn the machines signals. However, you may find that you really enjoy the u/w aspect of detecting so a more expensive investment in a better machine would pay off.

Check on the classified on the forum... or go to the famous on line auction site and see what you cane find in a name brand. A 5k Rolex is not a thing to be abandoned lightly.

A lot would depend on just how deep the mud is in that lake as well. If you are getting over two to three feet on mud... well then the recovery via normal methods becomes quite dicey. If that is the case, the dredge [either the one I described or a Keene] would be , in all probability] the only method.

If I were close, I would try myself.... But the drive from B.C., Canada is just a Liiitttle long. :): There must be some divers in your general area who can help you out.

Good luck

Calm seas

Micheal
 
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