What is this anomaly??

[oldkoot]

I believe thats what digdog was asking.
Seems like there are several dealers as I recall, and others that want full payment.
I imagine the ones that require no payment, have a looooooooong list of preorders.

One of them I seen only had a few pre orders on one of the sites I venture into and no penalty for backing out

 

[oldkoot]

Im not sure what your talking about! I dont know of any dealers offhand, that are taking orders on the Manticore without a deposit, but Im sure there are some. But this thread is about the Legend, so Im not sure what this has to do with the Legend??

boy I almost messed up was going to give DigDog a dealer name for the manticore but forgot only dealers from findmall I went back and deleted the link I provided LOL
I will be getting the Axiom but going to wait for all the hoopla to clear before I do I need a good PI for the ground I detect

 

[DigDog]

If you read some earlier theads that I have been a part of, I have always pushed to make this good detector even better….In these threads there were folks that were complacent saying how good this machine is for the money, and were happy with it and found good targets the way it is…..That’s OK for them and don’t condemn them for the way they feel… They’re happy, and that’s ok…When Nokta is listening and reading these threads, I am sure to voice my concerns….Hopefully the squeaky wheel gets greased !

And that’s good, and you don’t go around bashing other detectors you don’t have. You would rather see improvements on the one you have and like

 

[DigDog]

Im not sure what your talking about! I dont know of any dealers offhand, that are taking orders on the Manticore without a deposit, but Im sure there are some. But this thread is about the Legend, so Im not sure what this has to do with the Legend??

My apologies CS, it was someone else in another thread that said they had an order with a good dealer that didn’t require prepayment. Being burned by a big dealer on a < $100 order I’m real skeptical now who i order from especially if I’m going to spend over $1000. they were going to send me the info but never did. But at this point the more i keep reading I think I’m going to wait until some have used it for a bit. Looks like it will probably be a year from now at this rate. I have a good dealer not too far from me that is not advertising it but will talk to them and see what they are doing.

 

[synthnut]

My apologies CS, it was someone else in another thread that said they had an order with a good dealer that didn’t require prepayment. Being burned by a big dealer on a < $100 order I’m real skeptical now who i order from especially if I’m going to spend over $1000. they were going to send me the info but never did. But at this point the more i keep reading I think I’m going to wait until some have used it for a bit. Looks like it will probably be a year from now at this rate. I have a good dealer not too far from me that is not advertising it but will talk to them and see what they are doing.

Think back how long it took for the Equinox to finally surface…..There needs to be time for all the hype to take place…..This is standard practice for “new detector sales 101”

 

[Picketwire]

The anomaly was that 4khz was 4 inches deeper than SMF.

 

[D&P-OR]

The anomaly was that 4khz was 4 inches deeper than SMF.

Not in my (mineralized) ground it wasn't.

 

[xindaris]

I am an old man now and have had detectors since the 1970’s. Every brand had something they would do better than the other brand and vice versa. Luckily today a lot of the short comings can be corrected with program changes, that was not the case in the past. I say don’t be afraid to demonstrate what you feel is a problem with a detector. When you put it on a forum someone will tell you how to correct it or the factory will see it and make a change if necessary. This is America, never be silent if you see a problem or it will always be a problem.

 

[jim tn]

Not in my (mineralized) ground it wasn't.

Hey, Del, but 4" in Tom's neutral ground is quite significant. Admittedly, most of us don't have ground like his, but something doesn't seem right. HH Jim Tn

 

[sprchng]

One of the reasons the "anomaly" is of little concern to me is Tom's recent use of the collective pronoun "we". I believe that may be an objectivity anomaly in it's own.

 

[casull454]

The anomaly was that 4khz was 4 inches deeper than SMF.

That's not an anomaly, that's great news. I've pulled memorials and clad dimes to 8" in SMF with the 6" coil. Soooo, if I switch to 4khz, I can expect to find small coins to at least 12" with the small coil. This detector just gets better and better.

 

[Picketwire]

That's not an anomaly, that's great news.

I thought everyone wanted SMF because it is deeper. I don't see how this makes it get better and better. The problem, which he reported and demonstrated to Nokta, was that there is too much difference between the two. SMF wouldn't hit his 14 inch dime but 4khz would. He said the Equinox in SMF would hit it too. I would think it would be great news if Nokta found a solution because of Tom's report.

Not in my (mineralized) ground it wasn't.

I would think it would be proportional, like if you only get 5 inches in SMF, you would get 7 in 4khz but I don't know. Is yours deeper in SMF? How did you test it? I never thought of Mr. Dankowski as biased. Please don't jump me about it. The thread asked what the anomaly was and I looked it up for the answer.

 

[casull454]

I thought everyone wanted SMF because it is deeper. I don't see how this makes it get better and better.

I don't know if everyone wanted SMF because it's deeper, but it already was deep. Telling me it's even deeper in 4khz is NOT bad news.

 

[JCR TX]

SMF normally will out perform single frequency in more mineralized ground as far as accurate TID & tone not necessarily raw depth. A non ferrous target will start blending into the ground sooner with single frequency. I took NASA Tom's observation to my mildly mineralized test garden and did not see a big difference between M1, M2, M3, 4 & 10 kHz. All of these will hit my 10" Dime hard. On my 12" Dime & Quarter & 15" Half they all struggle. M3 was actually the best overall. I suspect I will use 4kHz mainly when hunting in modern Al trash. I works great there, much better than the SMFs. I'm Not sure why Tom is getting the results he is. He hasn't indicated how much time he has spent on the Legend. He has a lot of irons in the fire including the new Mantacore. I have no concern he is biased. It is an excellent machine & time will show it well.

 

[Picketwire]

I took NASA Tom's observation to my mildly mineralized test garden and did not see a big difference between M1, M2, M3, 4 & 10 kHz.

That's good to know. I have been considering one but with the Manticore out, I might be able to afford an Equinox instead. It used to be hard to find a good used one but they are all over the auction site now although some people are still asking for more than Minelab's new price for them. Almost every new detector kills the price of its predecessor, just like my Impact.

 

[JCR TX]

Yes but the new introduction doesn't kill the performance of the old. The Impact is a very good machine.

 

[DigDog]

I don’t know how we got to the stigma that frequencies are for and only related to depth.
Yes typically lower frequencies go deeper but I think we are losing sight as to the different frequencies were not primarily put out for depth rather than the type of hunting you do.
Lower frequencies hit better on higher conductive targets like silver coins deeper and higher frequencies for lower conductive as well as sensitivity to smaller targets like gold. Different soils and mineralization is another aspect.
The smf is supposed to give the best of both worlds hitting more targets but at the expense of depth.
If frequency was primarily designed for depth only than gold prospecting would be done with vlf 4khz to get the small nuggets at 12”.
Actually why even have detectors above 4khz at that point.
Frequency depth is different in different locations but the frequency in vlf or smf should be chosen more focused what works best for the type of hunting you are doing and the depth is going to be what it’s going to be
Personally i don’t use 4khz. Not hunting silver coins either though.
Imagine using 4khz looking for that deep
Quarter at 14” in the meantime went right over and missed those two small gold rings or chains at 4”

 

[Picketwire]

The problem is that the SMF is supposed to give accurate VID at a deeper depth than single frequencies. Mr. Dankowski said the 4khz was still giving accurate VID at a considerably deeper depth than the SMF could even detect. He said he won't be using or reporting on the Legend until they get the "anomaly" fixed. Hopefully Nokta rectifies the situation with another update.

 

[sprchng]

The reason Tom will not be using/reporting on the Legend is because he has a M-core that is probably updated on a daily basis from Minelab with his suggestions as well as the changes suggested by the other engineers in that collective. In light of that , I am now much more interested in Keith Southern's viewpoint

 

[Odanscoils]

I don’t know how we got to the stigma that frequencies are for and only related to depth.
Yes typically lower frequencies go deeper but I think we are losing sight as to the different frequencies were not primarily put out for depth rather than the type of hunting you do.
Lower frequencies hit better on higher conductive targets like silver coins deeper and higher frequencies for lower conductive as well as sensitivity to smaller targets like gold. Different soils and mineralization is another aspect.
The smf is supposed to give the best of both worlds hitting more targets but at the expense of depth.
If frequency was primarily designed for depth only than gold prospecting would be done with vlf 4khz to get the small nuggets at 12”.
Actually why even have detectors above 4khz at that point.
Frequency depth is different in different locations but the frequency in vlf or smf should be chosen more focused what works best for the type of hunting you are doing and the depth is going to be what it’s going to be
Personally i don’t use 4khz. Not hunting silver coins either though.
Imagine using 4khz looking for that deep
Quarter at 14” in the meantime went right over and missed those two small gold rings or chains at 4”

I still believe the frequency of 12.5 khz is the best all around. Used by Tesoros and Garrett's mostly.