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DeepTech

What is next for Troy?

Nice gold, but I think your turning things around a bit. It has nothing to do with the post I made about the X-5 not working in my environment.

Away from those conditions that I mentioned hunting in, the unit was very deep, and sensitive.

I have seen a few small gold celtic coins taken over there with a Headhunter Land Pro, so it
 
it start a detector war on every Tesoro forum.
Why not discuss Troy detectors on the Troy forum ?
Fact is Troy made some awesome detectors and he will put other high performance detectors on the market. I am sure he (Troy) will challenge the competition with his new detectors again. Remember when the X5 hit the market (2000) it was the deepest non metered detector you could buy (and lightweight too). It took some time (years) for Tesoro to match that power. I am a big fan of the Troy X5 and the Tesoro Vaquero. I am happy that we have competition in the detector business and i can buy a detector that will do the best for ME in MY ground for the money I AM willing to spend.

HH,
Andy
 
I'll state up front that the X-5 is one of my all-time favorite detectors, and very versatile for "most" conditions. But there have been one or two places where it just wouldn't do what I need it to do because of harsh ground conditions. There is no perfect machine out there, regardless of who makes it. You don't pound nails with a screwdriver......you use the right tool for the job at hand. I've yet to see one tool that does everything "best". Detectors are no exception.

Ralph
 
I owned an X5 for 18 monthes and it was deep, but, and with absolutely no intention of adding fuel to the fire, it wasn't the deepest nonmetered detector you could buy in 2000. It was deeper than any Tesoro I had used, and that was most of them including the LST, but there was more than one other detector available in 2000 that was deeper in the mild ground here. Especially the Nautilus DMC IIb.

Discussing the X5 on the Troy forum isn't allowed. You're allowed to praise it but that's all, even legitimate questions are frowned on and sometimes deleted. Anything cosidered even the least bit negative is immediately deleted.

JB
 
I heard the nautilus detector are deep but heavy compared to a Troy. Do you thing the nauti is deeper if you compare it to the X5 with the same coil size ?

HH
Andy
 
The Nautilus machines are the deepest non metered machines on the market today. Bar none. I even dare say they are probably deeper than most, if not all metered machines.

The weight issue is almost not a factor these days. You can get them modified on a Whites rod for fairly cheap and it makes all the difference in the world.

BUT where a Tesoro or a Shadow really out do it...is in the iron or trash. An absolute expert on the Nautilus may have no trouble picking out the goodies but anybody else will be getting frustrated and leaving goodies in the ground. In wide open fields or woods where not alot of trash is...I fear a Nautilus.
 
The first time you pick one up, you will wonder what all the fuss has been over "weight". They aren't bad at all, unless you are a frail little pencil-necked geek that has trouble holding more than a half cup of tea to his lips while properly extending his pinky finger. :lol:

Ralph
 
There are many hunters out there with elbow and shoulder problems casued by swinging a heavy detector. I had one and to this day I can't decide which was *deeper*. One thing for sure, the Troy is a much more versatile unit and in most situations it has better target separation.
 
I`m not a detector basher but i can tell you for sure,, i don`t fear a nautilus whatsoever. i use to have a IIb & while it was a deep unit, i`m completely 100% confident my Tejon will equal it if not excel over it here in our Very mild ground. definately the target seperation goes to the tejon bar none. now the nautilus with a 15" might be differen`t. but the 9x8 on the tejon & the 10" on the nautilus are hand-n-hand.

Bob
 
Plus you save the wear and tear on your joints.
 
Have done just that John, many times. Of course, I use the 6 inch slimline on mine most of the time too, so that makes a difference compared to some of those who opt for the 10 or 15 inch. Even the 10 inch I don't find much of a problem for extended hunts.

I don't think I'd go so far as to say the X-5 is "more versatile" by any means. The IIb has some features that are just not applicable to the X-5, dual-tone mode or discrimination only if need be, a great old TR mode for beach hunting, TX power adjustment, coil balance,......oops, no "coin check"......manual ground balance, vernier scale tuning of the disc. and GB which is much easier to dial in to a specific point, manual or auto retune, and the smoothest all-metal threshold of any machine on the market hands down. And for half the price of what the X-5 was retailing for ? Now I admire Troy and his machines, and think they are right up there with the best of them. But that doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to other excellent machines when they come along. Coke ain't the only brand of pop in the fridge, if you get my drift.

Ralph
 
I've used the TR mode on the beach. Not even close to the X5 in performance. Probably TR frequency not high enough. If it was any good I would see a bunch of them on Florida beaches. Not even one.

When most folks buy the Nauty it's for one purpose - relic hunting. And it does so quite well. And with the 15" coil it's depth is uncanny. Few people use it for coins and fewer for beach hunting. There must be a reason.

Now with the DD coil the X5 can perform well in 95% of the U.S. For coin hunting X5 - hands down. With a flick of a switch one can ID if it's coin or trash or even possible gold. Better and more versatile discrimination. Relic I give it a tie. Beach hunting-X5 no doubt. Competition hunting - Not even close.

So yes, I would say the X5 is far more versatile. Not to mention the built in speaker, weather resistance, lighter weight, frequency switch, Black Sand mode (which helped me in Missouri in a few spots).....

If you could only own one detector for all types of detecting would it really be a Nauty?

I can certainly understand folks not agreeing with me. I happen to like other detectors as well, such as the Explorer - maybe the best metered unit out there. However, I'm only opinionated on the ones I know very well. I would like to try the Millenium Cointrax, DFX and Tejon. Until I do I can't give an opinion on them.

Please don't think you're the only one who can objectively evaluate detectors.

This thread should really belongs in the Metal Detecting forum.
 
Most nautilus users are just that "nautilus die hards & relic hunters". can`t really say that for some others as their used as multi purpose machines" :)
 
....if the Nauty was so good on relics, then surely in the UK (the land of relics) people would be using the Nauty.
I don't know of one person that uses one, and there are estimated to be over 50,000 detectorists in the UK.
I even tried posting for info on the Nauty forum and never got one reply...other than from a UK dealer also looking for info from users.
 
Never claimed I was the only one who could objectively evaluate detectors John. Far from it. But I have stated many times on many forums, that for my purposes and in my conditions, including relic, jewelry, and coin hunting, if I could only own one single machine, it would be the DMC-IIb hands down. Don't hunt many beaches or hunt much natural gold anymore living in Northwest Arkansas......but for what I do hunt, the IIb works as well as anything and better than the vast majority. I don't make that claim from reading forums and magazine articles, or digging through my files of detector catalogs going back to the 40s or 50s, but from using it and having compared it to many others. I get the best overall results with that one machine, and that's the bottom line for me. I don't much care what anyone else uses, I just have an enthusiasm for good machines and a strong dislike for hype as I'm sure you know. I haven't used them all either, too many machines and too little time. Maybe after retirement.

Ralph
 
Have they even been tried over there ? May be a ground mineralization problem, or just a lack of giving them a go. I know there are several UK and European machines that we seldom if ever see over here either. Would be interesting to know why they are not used there. Nautilus also has the DMC-IV which operates at a lower 4kHz that might do better, but we seldom even see those here at home.

Ralph
 
Well, Ive never seen a post where you stated that. Now I have.
 
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