Vaquero vs Tejon

[pulltab]

I was watching cash and treasure the other day and they were civil war relic hunting.
I was looking at the detectors and saw a lot of Tejons and an MXT but couldn't pick out any Vaqueros. not that they made a point to show the detectors but you know the colors and try to pick em out.
Anyway I have an uncle that lives in Virginia and said I could come and hunt I have an XLT, and a Vaquero, and a silver Umax and a Compadre, are these going to be OK to hunt with or do I need something else? If we fly I would probably like to take just the silver and the V.

and what is the learning curve on the tejon?
thanks
pulltab

 

[therover]

Pulltab...I just got a used Tejon and tried it out. I think the learning curve is very short. The Tejon ground balanced with ease, the all metal mode was smooth, the discrim mode hit targets deep in my test garden, the alt discrim is a cool feature, and I love the way you can adjust the tone for your comfort. Even the VCO mode is a nice feature.

The sound of good targets is very distinguishable, and when I ran it with the sensitivity ramped up and the machine chattery, the targets sound out loud and clear. There is NO problem telling them apart from the chatter. I have not taken the machine out in the field yet ( that's gonna be tomorrow) but if you are thinking of getting one, have no reservations.

I would say the machines you have now are up to the task, so you probably don't need a Tejon, but if you do get one, I am sure you will find it a very easy machine to use.

JC

 

[dert]

Take the Vaquero

 

[pulltab]

i'm not wanting to get a new machine if I don't have to maybe just a new coil

 

[Scully]

If you know how to work the V, the T will be a snap. One nice thing about Tesoro machines, if you know how to work one of them, you can pretty much pick up an other Tesoro machine and by instinct know how to use it. The T is a bit deeper than the V, but both would work well for relics.

 

[pulltab]

is my wifes silver umax going to be ok for this?
thanks for the input

 

[INRelicHound]

the Vaquero is a fine machine...very comparable to the Tejon but the Tejon has the added advantage of dual disc and in my oppinion is a bit more sensitive to smaller items then the V. if i had one choice of machine to bring along with me it would be the Vaquero. the silver will serve you OK but in my opinion the Vaquero will out hunt it any day.

 

[digitaltim]

Try comparing targets while they're still in the ground.. adjust sensitivity etc. Then dig and see.....That's the only way to tell.

The Vaquero will be better for the deep targets, but I think the S. Umax is enough.....

 

[pulltab]

I was thinking if we go i would take the V for myself and let the wife take the Silver. I think the XLT will probably out do the silver but I don't want to lug that around all day if the hunting gets good.

Thank you all for your input, I believe I'll keep the Vaquero but keep my eye out for a good deal on a Tejon but no big hurry. I do like the Vaquero the more I use it.
pulltab

 

[Canewrap]

As long as its not Culpeper County, you'll be fine with either machine (that county has some of the worst dirt and only the MXT would be good there). I think the Vaquero is lighter and balances better, and if you run it in all metal you'll be surprised at the depth. I have an Eldorado Umax, which is the earlier version of the Vaquero and its only Tesoro I still have. For relic hunting in an area that I've already established has good targets and not a lot of modern trash I love using the Eldorado in all metal.

 

[sling]

in my opinion the tejon got the extra power but there is lot of time when you cant use that power
so the vaquero is enough mainly in trashy sites.
i dont see the point of the dual disc on T!
if you dont belive your normal disc on the level you set why you just dont turn it up!
so if you dont dig if the alt disk reject the target you can set your normal disc as high and you dont even have to push the triger!
and in my opinion the T doesnt reject iron as well as the V.
and the 1 piece of 9v battery much more comfortable.
well i use V with 575 conc. because i hunt on yards and in this situation i couldnt change this combination for anything.
I dont know..........maybe there is another machine what is better on yards but isnt the Tejon !
and for that much money the V is certainly the best!

 

[therover]

I was under the same impression about the dual discrim feature until I got the Tejon and started using it. In trashy areas where you are coin hunting, it does come in handy. I have learned that targets sound a little different the lower the discrim setting is, so when you swtich to the alt disrim, at a higher setting, the sound at the end of the sweep does sound a little different to me. I have started to tell how shards of aluminum and foil can sound when the primary disrim is set just above iron and the alt is set at foil.

I do agree with Sling though, that if you have the V, you pretty much don't need anything else. I went for the Tejon since it was a like new used one at a great price and I was intrigued by the features like the dual discrim and the adjustable tone. The adjustable tone feature really is a nice one, and if you have the time to experiment, you can figure out what pitch is best for your ears and headphones. The VCO mode is pretty cool too. The extra horsepower is nice too.

I don't have bad soil...actually I think its pretty neutral, so the Tejon works great for me.

 

[trueblue]

I don't have bad soil...actually I think its pretty neutral, so the Tejon works great for me.

Rover , so does the Tejon not perform upto par in the case that ya happen to come across some more minerilized ground ?
have you expierenced this to be the case ?

I got no way of testing the soil where I hunt , but I can say that I hunt in Gold bearing soil also that its in Australia so I would think those 2 facts alone would suggest that my ground conditions are mildly minerlized conditions at the least , fact is gold bearing and Australia go hand in hand with some of the most minerlized soil conditions in the world . I havent came across anyone using a Tesoro its strickly Minelab and yet low an behold oppisite to all that Ive read I have'nt encountered a problem with the Tejon runs stable and get very good depth in these areas , the only place Ive found to be a problem is wet sand

 

[pulltab]

so the Tej and the Vaq can pull gold?

 

[therover]

..about bad soil. I apologize for even mentioning it in my statement. I commented that I don't have bad soil based on one of the posts stating bad dirt. I really don't know if the T or V operate as less efficiency in bad soil. I know that I can ground balance dead on or slightly positive and the Tejon is smooth as silk for me. Running sensitivity at 9 or 10 causes some chatter, but targets ring out loud and clear.

I have not used my Tejon in the wet sand yet ( I an here in NJ and will be taking it for a spin soon) but reports I read are that it does not work well in the wet sand. I am going to try a few things when I get to the beach. One is to find the 'break point' where the Tejon starts to get funky. I would imagine right at the water line where the salt water is seeping into the sand. I would think it will work very well in the dry sand.

 

[trueblue]

..about bad soil. I apologize for even mentioning it in my statement.

theres certainly no need to apolagize to me Rover , I hope you dont think I was taking a shot at ya cause that was not my intention at all quite the oppisite infact , I like to here how others are finding that there Tejon performs in the so callled BAD ground an thought that you may have indeed expeirenced some probs , yeah plenty say its a poor performer but Iike I said Im yet to have a issues ...touch wood


trueblue

 

[sling]

if you use the alt disc for identify trash you can use the normal disc also.
i still havent got the point.
let say i put the normal disc on iron and the alt disc on 5c.
on 5 c i can reject biger irons but reject small coins to!
so let say a small coin is little far and gives a littlebit of crackle on irondisclevel same as a biger piece of iron.
so now you push the trigger to check it on higher disc and you will disc out both.
so you did nothing really.
or you found a foil what on iron gives a good signal as a small coin.if you push the trigger you will make both crackle and you wont dig!
what is it for then?

 

[therover]

I know you were not taking a shot. I apologized because I did not want you or others to think that the Tejon was not a good machine in bad soil based on my statement. I really do not have any experience with bad soil or the iron mineralized stuff guys have to hunt in.

Keep on swinging and getting the good stuff

JC

 

[therover]

Suppose I am strictly 'specie' huntung in the dry sand. That is, I don't want clad and I don't want iron. I am looking for all lower conductive targets....where the gold resides.

I set the primary discrim just above iron...the alt disrim just past tab. Now, you have to test some targets like small gold rings, etc. to see where they will cut out using the alt discrim. I am using just past tab as an example.

You hunt in primary discrim....get a hit. Switch to alt. If it's still there, most of the time it will be clad...or silver. But, you have the option to dig or not dig. If the signal cuts out or becomes choppy in alt discrim, you dig because it is in the range of targets you are searching for.

Now I know it seems weird that you would pass up clad or silver, or whatever. The point is, you can use it as a target range and set it up to isolate what type of targets you want to look for. It can be a wide range or a very narrow range.

On the beach I dig all targets above iron anyway, but I can see where the alt disrim feature can come in handy if I have time constraints and want to increase the percentages of finding a gold target when I don't want to dig clad. Also, you can use it to determine where the busted up zinc pennies hit/breakup and you don't have to dig them. The salt water does a number on these things.

Just a thought...but I see your point.

 

[rmptr]

I'd suggest taking your favorite, which you have most experience with. And a backup!

Hope to see great pics posted of your trip and digs!

best
rmptr