The manual for the Vaquero states that the audio has a single tone, and also has a VCO in "All Metal " mode .....Does this mean that the Vaquero has a pitch that goes up and down depending on what target you are hitting in "All Metal" mode ? .... That is how I am interperiting a VCO in All Metal mode .....Am I correct in this assumption ? .... Thanks, JIm
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Vaquero Tones ?
- Thread starter synthnut
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BarberBill
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I don't have the V, but every detector I've been around that has the VCO all metal mode goes up and down in pitch depending on how close the coil is to the target.
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So Nickels will come in at a lower pitch than pennies, and pennies will come in at a lower pitch than dimes ,and dimes come in at a llower pitch than quarters ? ......In other words , is it conductivity that changes the pitch , or is it depth of the target that changes the pitch ? ....Thanks Jim
What I have now in my pinpointer changes in VOLUME of the tone , not the PITCH of the tone ....The closer you get , the louder the tone gets ....My machine now also runs a VCO and in detecting mode the pitch is different for each type of metal ....I was wondering if the Vaquero did the same thing ....Jim
I see .....The changes happen when a target gets closer or further away .....It has nothing to do with whether the target is copper, Steel , Silver , etc .....It only has to do with distance ....So the VCO is only used for the pinpointer feature ...I was hoping that the pitch would change with the different metals .....Too bad it didn't work that way .....Jim
Yeah, but the Golden doesn't have the adjustable ground balance feature that makes the Vaquero so powerful in various soil conditions .... Give me a Vaquero where the VCO works in detecting mode where the pitch of the VCO tells you what metal you are hitting , and doubles for use when pinpointing ..... Call it the Vaquero II ......
...Jim
...JimSo Nickels will come in at a lower pitch than pennies, and pennies will come in at a lower pitch than dimes ,and dimes come in at a llower pitch than quarters ? ......In other words , is it conductivity that changes the pitch , or is it depth of the target that changes the pitch ? ....Thanks Jim
No sorry thats not it. The Vaquero is monotone. you have to thumb the DISC control to get TID from it.
As others have said, the pitch increases the closer the item comes to coil center - and only in pinpoint, all metal.
If you want tone ID its the Golden or Cortez.
No sorry thats not it. The Vaquero is monotone. you have to thumb the DISC control to get TID from it.
As others have said, the pitch increases the closer the item comes to coil center - and only in pinpoint, all metal.
If you want tone ID its the Golden or Cortez.
The Golden or the Cortez .....Hmmm..... Big spread in $$$$ ....... I don't guess that theres a machine that will suit my needs .....Tesoro seems to be giving the options of this in one machine, and that in the other machine .....You can't have everything you want even if it's pretty basic in one machine .... For example , you don't have to give me a notch machine, and you don't even have to give me a read out .....Don't even give me numbers !!!.......Give me a machine that has a VCO that the pitch will dictate what metal I am hitting.....Hit a "PINPOINT " button that overides that and comes in doing the "Pinpoint" duties the way it does now .....Basically , give me a Vaquero with a VCO that has pitch changes for the different targets in detect mode ..... It doesn't have to have 1,2, 3, or 4 tones, with a preset for each tone !!! ......Keep it simple and give me a multitone VCO !!!..... Maybe Tesoro is affraid that it will take sales away from their other machines? ...... This comes back to the same ole same ole when I talk to foiks about owning a Tesoro ....The mono tone in most of thier models basically makes them a " Beep and Dig" machine .... Great POWER !!!, but you never know what you are gonna dig without having to discriminate ....Jim
Beale,
I am running a Minelab Safari ....I would like to go even lighter in weight ....I bought a Tesoro Silver for my brother recently and liked it for it's light weight and easy use for HIS applications which are picking up coins on the surface ..In his travels he has been collecting approx $50-$100 a week just walking around to his hot spots .... From the searches that I have done , I have found that the accuracy of the finds have been in this order
1) The Pitch of the tone ......The BEST way of knowing what your target is
2) The number i.D. of the tone ....2nd best way
3) The icon if you are running a Safari ....doesn't much help me
Numbers can lie all the time when hunting , but the pitch of a tone is much more accurate when it comes to I.D.ing your target ...... I don't think that it should be that hard to add a VCO that does NOT have to have any read out , or any type of calibration of tone to numbers ....It's mearly a pitch vehicle so to speak ....Yes it may drive some folks crazy , but once you get the tones in your head for your particular machine , you know just what you are digging up within reason .....It can't drive anybody any crazier than the one pitch BEEP BEEP BEEP of the Tesoro's now ..... You can pick your coil up off the ground and listen to te signal to approximate the depth of the target , and the pitch of the beep will give you a good idea of what you are finding ....Of course there will be overlapping targets like with ANY detector , and there are surely times when you will be digging screw caps instead of dimes, but thats a small segment of what you will find ..... The beauty of this too is the fact that you can run wide open ( All Metal ) and just listen for tones ....All your tones for coins are in the upper registers, so you basically just listen for a higher pitched tone ....Nickels come in at a very pronounced lower tone that you will dial your brain into very quickly .....Looking to find Relics or Iron ? ....No problem !!...Tune your brain into listenning for the much lower pitched tones .... I'm not saying to COPY the Safari as the Safari has many more bells and whistles, and the beauty of the Tesoro's is the POWER and the simplicity, and the light weight ..... What would a pitch giving VCO weigh ? ....The entire machine may come in a a whopping 2.5 lbs on a Vaquero ? ......What a GREAT machine that would be !!.....
I am running a Minelab Safari ....I would like to go even lighter in weight ....I bought a Tesoro Silver for my brother recently and liked it for it's light weight and easy use for HIS applications which are picking up coins on the surface ..In his travels he has been collecting approx $50-$100 a week just walking around to his hot spots .... From the searches that I have done , I have found that the accuracy of the finds have been in this order
1) The Pitch of the tone ......The BEST way of knowing what your target is
2) The number i.D. of the tone ....2nd best way
3) The icon if you are running a Safari ....doesn't much help me
Numbers can lie all the time when hunting , but the pitch of a tone is much more accurate when it comes to I.D.ing your target ...... I don't think that it should be that hard to add a VCO that does NOT have to have any read out , or any type of calibration of tone to numbers ....It's mearly a pitch vehicle so to speak ....Yes it may drive some folks crazy , but once you get the tones in your head for your particular machine , you know just what you are digging up within reason .....It can't drive anybody any crazier than the one pitch BEEP BEEP BEEP of the Tesoro's now ..... You can pick your coil up off the ground and listen to te signal to approximate the depth of the target , and the pitch of the beep will give you a good idea of what you are finding ....Of course there will be overlapping targets like with ANY detector , and there are surely times when you will be digging screw caps instead of dimes, but thats a small segment of what you will find ..... The beauty of this too is the fact that you can run wide open ( All Metal ) and just listen for tones ....All your tones for coins are in the upper registers, so you basically just listen for a higher pitched tone ....Nickels come in at a very pronounced lower tone that you will dial your brain into very quickly .....Looking to find Relics or Iron ? ....No problem !!...Tune your brain into listenning for the much lower pitched tones .... I'm not saying to COPY the Safari as the Safari has many more bells and whistles, and the beauty of the Tesoro's is the POWER and the simplicity, and the light weight ..... What would a pitch giving VCO weigh ? ....The entire machine may come in a a whopping 2.5 lbs on a Vaquero ? ......What a GREAT machine that would be !!.....
HaroldILL.
Active member
I have an E-trac it is an awesome machine. But the weight and balance are a arm killer. I bought a vaquero to use as a back up when my arm got tired. It was a great little machine,but I just coundn't get used to the single tone. I was thinking about the golden because of the tones but i am concerned about the lack of depth I keep hearing about. It doesn't have to be a depth demon I have the E-trac for that. But it would be nice if it was at least respectable.
Ive used the Golden for years. You may wish to define - or redefine - respectable. I pulled a clear high tone quarter from 8-10" a season ago, using one.Harold said:
I had the digger shown here:
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There was barely enough handle for me to hang on to protruding from the hole. I thought the dirt would never stop coming out.
I have since marked the handle with inch gradients.
