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Vaquero or Outlaw? Help!!!

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Rainyday101

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I have about two weeks until I order. Can't make my mind up. Vaquero with an additional 5.75" concentric or Outlaw. Both about the same price. I currently own a Silver Umax. From what I am reading the Vaq seems to have a slight depth advantage, but the Outlaw has no motion metal mode. Can't get both! Help!
 
You can exchange search coils between the Outlaw and Silver
 
I had to make the same disision , but the outlaws no motion all metal , and threshold all metal made the disision for the outlaw, I figured it would have no depth , but i was wrong it did better than i figured , actualy deeper than my other tesoro machines like the cibola , silver umax, golden, and compadre, i have never tried the Vaq but becuase it has a bit higher khz it may not be deeper on silver coins, I would like to do a comparison , but since you have a umax already you can use the coils interchangably and this is a plus. what i would do maybe is find somone who owns a vaqeuro and an outlaw and do the depth testing then you will know for shure, I have a friend who may be able to let me use his vaq for some depth testing in the future. hope you make a good disision, I know they both are good detectors,
 
If i was a deep coin hunter,or relic hunter that was concerned with the best possible depth i would have to choose the V.Then the outlaw to give up more info.The outlaw can really give you some size and depth info.A more of a jewelry detector.But the outlaw has plenty of depth,so it is a hard decision.The V has no toggle to just flip to all metal like the outlaw.You can just go to all metal quickly with the V using the push pinpoint button.Having the toggle is nice on the outlaw.
 
I don't think I would go wrong either way, just trying to get others opinions.

Gunnar, I don't know anybody that has either. I think skiwhiz has used both and was hoping he would chime in.

Do you think the Vaq has a big depth advantage on the outlaw?
 
The V seemed to run smoother.I had a little falsing on the high grass in the woods with the outlaw.The outlaw can be equipped with the 12x10 concentric to close in on depth of the V.The hot detectors do not have this coil.And will not be made for the hot.It is to big of a concentric to work on the V.
 
I wish I knew the answer to this, I have been contemplating this question for a while now. Tejon or Outlaw or Cibola/Vaq... Someone who has both may be able to do a test on deep silver, that would be sweet!
 
I wouldn't try to worry too much about which detector can go deeper on silver. I have the Vaquero and I put myself through that already and it can get very frustrating. Yes it has a higher frequency but in the end the machine can go deep. A lot of times I think people, like myself, deal with trashy areas and its not that they can't get deep silver, it's just that a lot of it is masked by years of other junk in the ground. I'm sure if someone was in a field with no trash they would have equal chance of finding the deep stuff with either detector, unless some of the coins were on edge. The outlaw might do better with silver that's on edge. I love my Vaquero, because that extra depth when supertuning can really help sometimes.
 
rainy day. the creators of the outlaw and tesoro say the Vaquero is deeper , than the outlaw, the Gifords, so i would have to beleive them , but they do mention that the outlaw has an inhanced depth , and i can say when you get that gain in the red zone it gets deep, you know , if you dont like the V you can always sell and get a outlaw,
 
I am kind of leaning toward the Outlaw. My ground is mild and I will be to get the sensitivity up no problem. I really like the 3 coils and shafts, the trigger switch, and the no motion all metal mode. I did not consider the Outlaw too much until I saw Gunnar's and 53Silvers You Tube vids. I will have all my eggs in one basket because I have a Siver Umax, am getting the Vaq or Outlaw, and shortly after a Tiger Shark. All three cost less than one E-trac! Of course though, I won't have that fancy display to stare at all day.... I am also going to get the hip mount pouch for the Tiger Shark when I get it.
 
Bobby s said:
I wouldn't try to worry too much about which detector can go deeper on silver. I have the Vaquero and I put myself through that already and it can get very frustrating. Yes it has a higher frequency but in the end the machine can go deep. A lot of times I think people, like myself, deal with trashy areas and its not that they can't get deep silver, it's just that a lot of it is masked by years of other junk in the ground. I'm sure if someone was in a field with no trash they would have equal chance of finding the deep stuff with either detector, unless some of the coins were on edge. The outlaw might do better with silver that's on edge. I love my Vaquero, because that extra depth when supertuning can really help sometimes.
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The V is so powerful in the park.This is why i stress with a raw detector such as the V with no tones. I go to a site with the V,outlaw and tejon and set the disc a hair past tab and clean all the silver coins,silver jewelry that hits,big gold that hits,all clad but nickels.Get it out the way,then go back and work the disc down in small areas at a time.By going in with the tab setting has not effected the depth to me at all.The ATpro is designed at the same freq as the V,15Hz.This is a good range for a all purpose detector.Try this method,it works.
 
Now having the outlaw for awhile I will say its as deep as my vaquero was not super tuned , but I never ran it that way due to losing audio information. But the outlaw dosent hit the small stuff like the v did wich is good and bad . With the outlaw I can detect areas that I couldn't with the V due to all the little bits of foil the vaquero would sound off on all of them. The outlaw runs silent last night I got a silver ring out of an area like this. I wouldn't have hunted this area with the V. But having that sensitivity is nice some times like in the totlots and going after micro jewelry. Each have there place , all in all im happy I got the outlaw now. I will use my g2 for the micro stuff thats what it was made for. Good luck with your decision either way you will be happy there both great machines.
 
spellman said:
Now having the outlaw for awhile I will say its as deep as my vaquero was not super tuned , but I never ran it that way due to losing audio information.
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Do you mean that the Vaq supertuned gives more audio info?

Also, you mentioned that your Vaq was better on small stuff. What about medium to large sized coins, as I have read from a number of accounts that the uMax detectors do better on larger coins.
 
SpiritRelic, you have both the V and the Outlaw. Which would be a better flat out coinshooter for me? Is the Outlaw deep enough?
 
I was just on the Tesoro site and saw that you could get the Outlaw with one 8" concentric coil!!!!!!! List price less 15% would be $437.65. Wow, what a steal. Below is the link, scroll down, and you will see the option with one coil.

Outlaw Link

This is the first time I have noticed that. Is it new?
 
The outlaw is a better coin shooter. It hits all coins hard . The vaquero super tuned doesn't give as good audio info as it does running normal. I never really ran super tuned cause the audio was the same for all targets, deep, shallow, trash or good. Everything sounded like a bottle cap. So the way I ran the vaquero the outlaw is just as deep. And you dig a lot less trash with the outlaw. But its not as good for micro targets as the vaquero is. Im talking like super small. With the vaquero I would dig up staples I dont think the outlaw would hit a staple. And it also dosent hit on tiny foil wich I find is good. Also the audio on the outlaw is much better. Its alot easier to tell the difference between trash targets and good targets.
 
I would absolutely spend the extra money to get all the coils. Its definitely worth it. The 12x10dd coil is an excellent coil it was my main coil on the vaquero and its going to get alot of use on the outlaw if I ever take the cleansweep coil off. Also the 5.75 coil is great in trashy areas. If you ended up buying the outlaw with just one coil and later choose to buy one other coil you would be at the price of the 3 coil package deal. The 12x10 is deeper and separates much better than the 8" concentric. The concentric coil is a good coil for better discrimination but not that much.
 
The Vaquero is a single tone detector as is, so even though you might get some subtle differences in the audio when not super-tuned, wouldn't you want that extra depth? Some targets that sound like trash are actually good. I wouldn't want to take the risk of losing good targets unless all you dig is parks. For homesteads and fields, the vaquero should dominate. I'm just throwing it out there that the Vaquero still has advantages even though the audio might not give the best info. I'm sure you can go wrong with either detector...it seems like a lost cause trying to pick one over the other
 
Thanks for the input everyone. I think I am going to go with the outlaw with the 3 coils. The coils would also work with my Silver uMax.
 
spellman said:
The outlaw is a better coin shooter. It hits all coins hard . The vaquero super tuned doesn't give as good audio info as it does running normal. I never really ran super tuned cause the audio was the same for all targets, deep, shallow, trash or good. Everything sounded like a bottle cap. So the way I ran the vaquero the outlaw is just as deep. And you dig a lot less trash with the outlaw. But its not as good for micro targets as the vaquero is. Im talking like super small. With the vaquero I would dig up staples I dont think the outlaw would hit a staple. And it also dosent hit on tiny foil wich I find is good. Also the audio on the outlaw is much better. Its alot easier to tell the difference between trash targets and good targets.
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That is a great review comparison if i ever heard it.The V is amazing at tiny stuff.I kid you not.I found air rifle pellets and BB's.The V will hit any target the $ 2000.00 ctx can.I think i will do fine with the outlaw.I am going to try it out for some relic hunting before the snakes come out.It kind of reminds me of my hunting partners silver umax.And man the silver is a sweet relic machine.I eventually want to get the 12x10 concentric for the outlaw.This will be my relic and deep coin coil.
 
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