jahu_bluszcz said:
One more thing.
If i decide to buy Vaquero which coil would be better for discrimination and target separation standart 9x8 or 12x10" Widescan.
I am asking because a read a lot of confusing posts and tests.
It is a fact that using DD coils the disc is going to be a little less precise and a bit more sloppy...just the nature of the beast.
Not a ton but there is a difference and depending on the sites I hunt and the amount of specific trash this difference does matter so I choose coils as needed if I know what is waiting for me.
I hunt some very trashy sites, unbelievably trashy where I have dug 5-10 pieces of trash out of a square foot area at all depths just to get a clear place to ground balance my Vaq.
Some say that long and thing scanning field on the DD is great for snaking though trash, but I believe the coil is so big on the 10X12 that the smaller sniper coil would work much better due to less chance of having more than one target under the coil.
I seem to have a much better time dealing with trash areas like this using the 9X8 compared to the 10X12, and I do have a smaller concentric to use when I am not to lazy to mount it.
There are 2 types of trash that I deal with at super heavy trash sites most of the time that really bug me, tabs of all kinds and high tone crimped bottle caps.
When I use my Tesoro's and any coils I always thumb the knob past the fade out point and then slowly turn back and listen to how the target comes in.
80% of the tabs, the ones that are not shallow and laying flat and perpendicular in the soil will come in pretty noisy with some crackles and clicks and I have dug enough of these in the past to believe most of the time these will be trash.
Good targets like coins and rings will just come in solid and clear for me 99% of the time doing this, they are just there.
About 20% of that tab trash will do that too and come in solid but I am grateful that I can avoid digging most of them and even though I never know 100% what I am
not digging I have good confidence I am not skipping over the good stuff and the what ifs don't bother me so I am fine with that.
Using any coil, the standard, the sniper or the 10X12 DD this seems to work fine but I think it is a little more precise when I use the concentrics vs. the DD.
Those stupid high tone bottle caps are totally different when using both types of coils.
Most of them will come in high but at the very top of the disc level they are not there on the concentric standard coil, you have t turn the knob down a hair to bring them back in and that way I can tell the difference between these and coins 99% of the time.
Using the big DD a few of these do this also, but the disc is slightly less tight on my Vaq in this area, most other detectors using DD coils also, and most of these caps won't disc out and come in nice and solid and hit hard like high tone coins.
There is a way to deal with these using any coils and especially the DD's on my F70 which has a screen.
By rimming the edge of the coil over these things I will get a low iron grunt or tone when my disc is set low and I see numbers drop into iron range so this is a fast and efficient way to avoid these things.
Rimming good targets there is never a drop like this.
Actually, the same thing works on my Vaq, but the problem I have is to see this effect you have to turn the disc knob down to iron when rimming and see if you get a signal...and even though it works it does take a bit more time which frustrates me because when I am out there hunting in the zone I am all about moving fast, efficiently and digging volume and I would rather dig a high volume of good targets than wasting a lot of time on suspected trash targets.
Because of masking it is probably a good idea to dig this trash anyway, but I hunt in a few areas with a severe problem with these, a veritable carpet of caps at all depths and there are still enough good target signals in there to keep me happy and digging so I don't worry about it so much.
I suppose if I used a Tejon with that double disc this rimming technique would work much better and be extremely fast, but I don't have one so I deal with it the fastest way I know and when using the Vaq and the DD I just dig them.
A picture below of a typical 4 hour hunt at one of these pop top filled parks.
When it comes to the Outlaw, the disc is a bit different than the Vaq with a wider range near the top, according to 53Silver it can disc out a dime but still get quarters, and that just might make a difference on everything I talked about above and make the whole process much easier but I have never swung one so I don't know.
When it comes to foil and can slaw that turning the knob thing down to listen to how they come in thing works well on both types of coils on my, and I have a high tone Vaq and most aluminum, no matter what size from small to cans, just gives me a very annoying tone that grates on my last nerve and as much as I hate that tone it is very helpful in distinguishing trash from treasure so even though I once had a thought I would change my Vaq back to a low tone I decided this ability is worth keeping if just for this purpose.
One thing about the big DD coil, if you want to cover large, wide open areas that usually have less trash than the examples above, this thing works great.
I don't feel I am missing much with that long scanning field and I have found great targets, even gold, running around sites like this moving and swinging that coil way faster than I probably should but I do that because I have great confidence in that coil and the speed of the Vaq that working together can alert me to targets I pass over even if it is quick, short tone.
If I get one I go back and examine the target further and this works well for me.
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