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Vanquish vs Nox 600 or similar opinions
- Thread starter DigDog
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DigDog
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Was looking at Nokta ad well. Seems the simplex on par with vanquish and legend on par with Nox if correct?
Having hard time convincing myself with straight shaft and control box on top detectors though. Was one thing not crazy about the xterra i had. The s curve ones just seem alot more comfortable
Nauti
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I think you will find that in reality the simplex and vanquish will find most of the targets that the more expensive models will in most conditions......you don't have to spend mega money to get great performance.
I watched a great video made over here in the uk where a detectorist took a top flight model and a basic model to a field he had never searched before.Whatever target he found he checked with the other machine and the basic model found every signal the top of the range machine did.I'm not saying the top flight model wouldn't find a few more targets over a seasons detecting but in reality a good basic model will find most of the targets a really expensive one will.
I watched a great video made over here in the uk where a detectorist took a top flight model and a basic model to a field he had never searched before.Whatever target he found he checked with the other machine and the basic model found every signal the top of the range machine did.I'm not saying the top flight model wouldn't find a few more targets over a seasons detecting but in reality a good basic model will find most of the targets a really expensive one will.
DigDog
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I agree, I guess comes down to features like waterproof, rechargeable batteries, bluetooth, ground balance lol, etc
I can see paying little more for more options but unless you are using it for work, prospecting etc just can’t justify spending triple and more in cases
Will a $1800 detector really find that much more or work alot better than a $800 detector.
There is a certain price point you cross over I believe
Some people just want to get from point A to B and some want to get from point A to B in style.
They say a Timex tells the same time as Rolex. Timex more accurate in most cases.
Nauti
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Bud,i've owned that many detectors over the years i can't remember them all.I've tested them on proper test beds....ie,targets that have been buried for a long period of time and the conclusion i have come to is this.......the best detector you will ever own and have the most success with is the one you enjoy using the most.
DigDog
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Yes easy to get caught in the hype.Bud,i've owned that many detectors over the years i can't remember them all.I've tested them on proper test beds....ie,targets that have been buried for a long period of time and the conclusion i have come to is this.......the best detector you will ever own and have the most success with is the one you enjoy using the most.
Swing with what makes you the happiest I guess
DigDog
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Now i might be looking at either Nokta or Ml simex vanquish legend Nox
Not sure if worth upgrading have to look at all specs but i might take it to the beach and just because of the water the vanquish might be an issue not being waterproof and plus where i live we get caught in rain storms all the time this time of year
Read were legend maybe not so popular there in UK I don’t know if tpu have experienced all these different ones or know of people that have just looking at all possibilities because i can basically make only one purchase right now so better be the right one.
Really want something that can do simultaneously multiple frequencies and i think garret is probably out or jot the best in that department
Vanquish is better on the beach!
DigDog
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Unfortunately its the only one not waterproof but I guess if they made it waterproof they wouldn’t sell as many Nox’s
Nauti
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Thats how manufacturers keep getting our money.........they never quite make a great value detector that is good at everything.
I agree with most of what Nauti said, especially not needing the most expensive, and using a detector that works well that you like.
I will add this, having owned 3 Vanquish 540 Pro Packs and 4 Simplex + .... I would take a Simplex + over a Vanquish without hesitation.
I will also add, do not count Garrett out. The Apex is a wonderful SMF with optional Single Frequencies and it has served me well since first introduced.
Monte
I will add this, having owned 3 Vanquish 540 Pro Packs and 4 Simplex + .... I would take a Simplex + over a Vanquish without hesitation.
I will also add, do not count Garrett out. The Apex is a wonderful SMF with optional Single Frequencies and it has served me well since first introduced.
Monte
DigDog
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Hey Monte
I thought the simplex was multi frequency where you can choose a frequency from several but only runs one frequency a time and not a smf which I understand runs multiple frequencies at a time as with the apex as well.
DigDog
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Sorry read it wrong simplex is vlf and apex smf.
Two things if Nokta is a good machine as many say instead of the apex is it not better to just get legend for just a little bit more at that point. I would think vanquish simplex basic entry then apex legend maybe nox 600 as mid levels then nox 800 deus high end. Also heard lower rod on simplex is a bit if a wet noodle when swinging.
The other thing is how do you go through 3 or 4 vanquish’s and 3 or 4 simplex’s lol
Just curious. Ive had two of the same detector before unless your talking about replacements for broken detectors and such
Most detectors in use today, for a long time, and into the future are Single Frequency. I have 9 detectors right now and only one offers SMF operation and that is an Apex. And I do not always run multiple.
Most SMF operate on two frequencies, the White's V3i and VX3 can operate on 3 frequencies.
Not always going to out outperform all the others. SMF can be okay but they can also be out-performed.
Monte
Most SMF operate on two frequencies, the White's V3i and VX3 can operate on 3 frequencies.
Not always going to out outperform all the others. SMF can be okay but they can also be out-performed.
Monte
DigDog
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Thats very interesting to lnow
I always assumed running multiple frequencies at a time was always better than just one. At least thats the way they advertise it. Better at finding more stuff in same area
That's called marketing.
Frequencies can be a reason for EMI, or for impaired performance in some ground environments, and also weaker performers on some metal types. An SMF might be using a couple of frequencies that therefore could result in impaired results rather than better. Through the years of using various SMF's I noted frequent times when some Single Frequency models were the better performers. Still can be today, for some applications.
Monte
DigDog
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The best of both worlds i suppose would be a detector that operates both on smf or the option of using just one not sure if any of the current detectors do both
Nauti
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Hi Tmops,ust to add to what Monte said about the simplex,although i haven't used one myself i have watched a lot of video's from (trusted) reviewers over here and they seem to be getting great results at the beaches.
I used to own a whites M6 which i regularly used at the beach with a large coil and had great results with that and that was a single frequency detector running at 14 khz i believe.I'm just making the point that a lot of single frequency detectors will run in wet sand conditions and give very good results.
Just to add another point about the simplex,a friend owns one and he would now use nothing else,the performance and price point was a no brainer for him .......its a great value detector.
I haven't a clue about the Garrett as again i have never used one and don't know anybody with one ,however,Garrett don't make many lemons and if Monte says they are good it's probably worth a look.
I used to own a whites M6 which i regularly used at the beach with a large coil and had great results with that and that was a single frequency detector running at 14 khz i believe.I'm just making the point that a lot of single frequency detectors will run in wet sand conditions and give very good results.
Just to add another point about the simplex,a friend owns one and he would now use nothing else,the performance and price point was a no brainer for him .......its a great value detector.
I haven't a clue about the Garrett as again i have never used one and don't know anybody with one ,however,Garrett don't make many lemons and if Monte says they are good it's probably worth a look.
I have a Simplex and a Nox 600 and while the Simplex is a fine detector at its price point, I find far more old, deep targets in heavy trash with my multi frequency Nox then I do with the Simplex, F 75 and A T Pro. With hundreds of hours on smf detectors and literally thousands on vlf's over my 50 years with the hobby, if I could only have one detector, it would be a smf unit. HH jim tn