Update: Cook county forest preserve meeting to address ban on detecting

[Surfinsafari]

Oh I forgot...if anyone is thinking ....just wait till he gets caught....I have plenty of money to get new detectors or pay fines so the threat of getting caught doesnt really bother me. I love the thrill of poaching a few Mercs from Sherwood forest.

 

[jughed440]

Is THing in and around Chicago really worth the risk??? Violent armed thugs far outnumber police officers, and protecting yourself from them is very illegal in that cesspool. This hobby is to enjoy...being a nervous wreck and looking over your shoulder for cops or thugs would ruin the fun.

 

[ChicagoJohn]

The problem with asking for permission to hunt on land that the tax payers bought and paid for and still get taxed through the nose to maintain is that it empowers politicians who look at us as feudal serfs. The politicians have no skin in the game other than to get a sick satisfaction of being able to rule over people. Guess what? I hunt the forest preserves all the time. I backpack my stuff in and I look at all the garbage that non-detectors haul in and are too lazy and piggish to pack out. I am tired of the queers having dominion over land that I helprd to pay for and then treated like a child when I want to enjoy my property and engage in a hobby that actually benefits the land. Screw Crook County...catch me if you can!

That's what I plan to! My best friend from Ohio told me....F*** them and go search old coins but I respect my friend Ron Shore the owner of Windy City Metal detector Store tell me not do it. They work on it! I don't mind to get permit but if I mean IF not work out at all then I go in woods to look for old coins!

 

[Surfinsafari]

ChicagoJohn. I know Ron and have spent alot of money at his store, By the way, Ron is a GREAT guy to do business with. Always ready to talk MDing and very helpful. I would rather deal with his store than buy online as he is a champion for our hobby and deserves our support. I mentioned to Ron that I still hunt the preserves and I could tell he wanted to say something but didn't. I don't care who likes it or not. I don't care to be ruled over and denied for our hobby which actually does good for the land. I have toted out way more garbage than goodies. We should be the stewards of the preserves and make everyone else get a permit because it seems most people are just lazy slobs who don't care if they leave disgusting things lying around for anyone to find. Crook county need to clean up its act a whole bunch before I will ever respect what they do or say. I don't live in Crook, I live in Will and our Lord and Masters of the forest preserves here have thrown us a bone and allow us with a permit to hunt grassy areas of certain preserves. You won't find anything but new drops but I guess its a start. John, if you ever want to meet up for a hunt, not in the preserves,lol, just a normal hunt let me know....

 

[ironsight]

Is THing in and around Chicago really worth the risk??? Violent armed thugs far outnumber police officers, and protecting yourself from them is very illegal in that cesspool. This hobby is to enjoy...being a nervous wreck and looking over your shoulder for cops or thugs would ruin the fun.

You bring up an excellent point. There are probably tons of silver in some of those old Chicago neighborhoods. Problem is, one would need an armed possi in order to search some of those areas.
There are a lot of areas i'd like to search in those big cities, but every time i get serious about detecting them, i get this vision of my $1500 detector being sold at a pawn shop to some lucky SOB for pennies on the dollar!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Re.: those gays leaving their condoms, magazines, napkins, etc.... out there in forest, yet "you can't go dig a little hole". Do you know what the difference is between you, the md'r, and those gays is? Here's the answer:

Those gays didn't go ask permission to leave their condoms and dirty magazines littering the forest. HAD THEY DONE SO, then THEY TOO would have been told "no". And then they too could start forums and make posts lamenting the fact that they can no longer leave their condoms and litter lying about

However, we md'rs are great at asking permission. And fetching "no's".

There, now you know why they can leave condoms out there, yet we can't dig a hole.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Well, you've got to realize something: When you say that the govt. was put here "for the people" that is the VERY REASON they implement rules (like this one, for instance), is "FOR THE PEOPLE". I mean, heck, isn't it a noble thing to protect the cultural heritage of sites for all future generations to enjoy ? Hence that is "for the people". And isn't it a noble thing to not allow some dingbat yahoos to go out in forests "making holes" that others can stumble and trip in and break their leg? Hence that rule is "for the people".

Just being the devil's advocate here We all want rules that others must follow, lest there be chaos and anarchy in society.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Hey surfin, if this "detecting in the preserve" supposed rule were such an ALL FIRED BIG OFFENSE that everyone and his brother cared about ..... then what's to stop anyone who wishes to enforce this, from seeing your post, and going after you right now ?

I mean, it wouldn't be hard to track you down given various clues you leave here. Or to serve the forum moderator with a search warrant to reveal your internet address, and so forth. Therefore, it seems to me, that this must not be such an all-fired big offense, if no cops or DA's are taking the time to go after scofflaws like you, who OPENLY POST your intent to go right on doing what you've always been doing.

 

[Surfinsafari]

Tom, I have tons of places to detect and don't usually take the time to bother with the preserves unless I am feeling rowdy that day. Forest preserve cops are the butt of jokes around here because all they really do is unlock and relock the gates and not much else is known about what they do the rest of the time. So for the board to be on their high-horse about metal detecting when Crook county and Chitcago have so many other problems just chaps my hide. We, as a society, absolutly need rules and laws in place to retain order, but I don't believe metal detecting is in any way a crime so that is a non-issue. Are they going to start arresting squirrels who dig for acorns? Heck, they don't even fill in their holes! No one knows what is in the ground and if the board cared to find out, they would waste millions of dollars of tax money to investigate. The fact is no one cares and it is all about CONTROL. Heck, your from CALI, you know all about Liberal control. I am busy waiting out the weather and through research, have found lots ofplaces to swing where I don't have to smell the stench of Crook county.

 

[ChicagoJohn]

Just hope that we able to metal detecting in Cook Co Forest Preserve. I see lot of garbage at Sag Quarries in south side where I went fishing. I went to Axehead lake for fishing on Sunday afternoon and I saw large family picnic and BBQ. That's great for them to have fun and next day I went fishing again....I cant believe that they leave everything out there! BBQ , paper dishes, cups left on picnic table! Someone bought package of fishing pole and open it. Leave package on shore! Sick! I heard that someone metal detecting at whole open picnic area and leave all large holes that shut down for us to metal detecting. I think permit is only way to let us go! Cops see us with permit mean they know that we would NOT leave any holes, not pick up any plants and not around picnic area.

 

[ironsight]

Modern day POLITICIANS?

For the people? All these new rules and regulations them #$%*)!#&'s enact are for the squeaking vocal minority OR if more revenue can be had with the media promoting it all. The modern liberal media, the great enabler of all this BS.

Look at California and other States. A lot of referendums that 'the people' voted on were over turned by elitists. So much 'for the people'.

Look at all these red light and speed cameras that keep popping up. Are they for the people OR for more revenue? Did the 'people' ever have a say with them things?
Depending on who's statistics you believe, those red light cameras cause more accidents than they prevent. What ever happened to the Constitutional provision of facing your accuser in court?

These politicians in order to justify their phony baloney jobs feel the need to pass more legislation and more BS regulations not to mention diverting public attention away from all those serious Chicago problems. And i'm sure most of these elitists now our modern day ruling class feel like royalty controlling the peasants.

All i can say is i'm glad i don't live in IllNoise;
a State with one of the highest debts in the country,
where most of their Governors go to prison along with other corrupt Chicago and Cook County politicians,
the last State to allow conceal carry,
$@#&^$'n toll roads galore,
Chicago having one of the highest murder rates in the country, etc. etc.

As with Detroit, this is what happens when liberals run rampant.

With all these problems, Cook County is now worried about metal detecting?

over.

 

[Prep1957]

Living in Illinois is like living in a communist country.but I am not leaving I am going to give the good fight.If I cannot detect I am going to follow all demo-craps around with video camera.For your information we are not broke you ask anyone from Michigan or any other state around us that has come down here to work and they are shocked to see how prosperous we are here,they cannot believe what they are seeing it is like the recession never happened.The money keeps flowing in Obama is taking care of his fellow crooks.You would not believe the amount of new bridges and roads that are being done this summer because they are afraid they will lose the Senate in November so all projects are be done now instead of 2015 and 2016 as originally planned this money comes from the other 49 states.I do not purchase anything in Cook, Mchenry,Dupage counties they will not get not get any of my money.Ron does this include the beaches on Lake Michigan?Would be a killer loss for you.

 

[GKMan]

So, there is no real update on this situation?

 

[ChicagoJohn]

Metal Detecting Club's lawyer suppose to meet them to discuss but I don't hear anything since last July! I went there on first meeting and my son was there for me to explain to me what is going on because I am deaf. They said that Cook Co want smaller group with lawyer to discuss next 2 or 3 weeks but I hear nothing since!

 

[tarajudy]

I live in a gated community. with a big lake/ 4 beaches pay monthly dues and told everything I find metal detecting must be turned over to the people who run the lake. my reply was I RUN THE LAKE I PAY DUES AND TAXES
Other stupid things I'M asked who said you can do that here, I will call the police, this is not allowed here, and so on.
NEW SIGNS ON BEACHES NOW SAY NO DOGS, NO SMOKING, NO WATER RAFE'S, NO JET SKIES. NO WALKING ON BOAT DOCKS, NO DIVING, NO DRINKING IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT BUT I GUESS YOU CAN'T EVEN DRINK WATER
AND NO METAL DETECTING.. FREEDOM WHERE IS IT?????

 

[Surfinsafari]

I live in a gated community. with a big lake/ 4 beaches pay monthly dues and told everything I find metal detecting must be turned over to the people who run the lake. my reply was I RUN THE LAKE I PAY DUES AND TAXES
Other stupid things I'M asked who said you can do that here, I will call the police, this is not allowed here, and so on.
NEW SIGNS ON BEACHES NOW SAY NO DOGS, NO SMOKING, NO WATER RAFE'S, NO JET SKIES. NO WALKING ON BOAT DOCKS, NO DIVING, NO DRINKING IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT BUT I GUESS YOU CAN'T EVEN DRINK WATER
AND NO METAL DETECTING.. FREEDOM WHERE IS IT?????

Hence my rebellious nature. We can't have anarchy and lawlessness but this country has turned into such a mess that you can't get through a day without breaking at least 1 law. I could see if we were out chopping down the trees and denuding the area but we are actually doing GOOD for nature by removing trash that the pigs were too lazy to carry out. I have found trash in very remote spots and wonder why if someone packed it in, why not pack it out. You can be the biggest lazy slob and the preserves are all yours but respect nature and the land and you are banned! Thats what happens with liberals in charge. Remember most libs were always second place and also-rans if not dead-last. Catch me if you can! I suddenly feel the need to go preserve hunting ..right now!

 

[ChicagoJohn]

I live in a gated community. with a big lake/ 4 beaches pay monthly dues and told everything I find metal detecting must be turned over to the people who run the lake. my reply was I RUN THE LAKE I PAY DUES AND TAXES
Other stupid things I'M asked who said you can do that here, I will call the police, this is not allowed here, and so on.
NEW SIGNS ON BEACHES NOW SAY NO DOGS, NO SMOKING, NO WATER RAFE'S, NO JET SKIES. NO WALKING ON BOAT DOCKS, NO DIVING, NO DRINKING IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT BUT I GUESS YOU CAN'T EVEN DRINK WATER
AND NO METAL DETECTING.. FREEDOM WHERE IS IT?????

Wow! What to do at beaches? Dumb laws! Sounds like small lake...? I know one private lake is less than 100 acres and electric motor only! But your laws is CRAZY! No drinking is wrong word! We must have water bottle and need water in hot weather!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Tarajudy, I too live in a private homeowner's association, starting about 2 yrs ago. I've even attended some of the monthly board meetings (just to sit in the audience to see how our HOA works, etc...). My wife is on one of the committees. So let me see if I understand this correctly: you approached your homeowner's association board for permission to md around the lakes their that you own ? And they said "no" ? Or ... well, that you must turn over all items to the HOA anyhow. It strikes me as odd that you even asked. I would not have even thought to do that (the notion that I needed to, would never have crossed my mind) in the HOA I live in. We have a park, for instance, and I simply helped myself to it.

Now if (as I also deduce from your post) that some busy-body approached you while detecting, well then, if you ask me, the solution to that is simple. Just as surfin-safari says: Go when that busy-body isn't around. Detect at night if need be. I'm sorry if some people don't like this approach, but you've got to realize: You are simply NOT going to get the entire world to sign off on your hobby, and love you. As much as I wish red-carpets were always rolled out for me, I've been at this long enough to realize: it just simply aint gonna happen. So rather than run around grovelling and waiting for love and kisses, I just avoid any lookie-lous who may get their panties in a wad. Just like nose-picking: not necessarily "illegal", but .... for pete's sake, don't you use a little discretion in your timing ?

 

[ironsight]

........We can't have anarchy and lawlessness but this country has turned into such a mess that you can't get through a day without breaking at least 1 law......

Ain't that the truth!
If all the BS i did in my youth, if i did the same today, i'd be locked up with the key trown away!
Now that i think on it, all the BS i did in my youth, surprised i'm still here!

 

[HaroldILL.]

Well now they have New No Metal detecting signs at most forest preserve's! It's goin' to be hard to get those down now that they are up. I never thought it would come to this. I hunted those for years with out any trouble. It's only a matter of time before the Chicago parks and Lake fronts are close to detecting also. Better enjoy it while you can.