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two guys just died scuba diving in wisconsin?

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GunnarMN

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[size=x-large]why is it that when i want to get into scuba diving this happens two guys died diving in a lake in wisconsin anyone know what might have gone wrong this seems like a dangerouse hobby[/size]
 
Haven't read it yet wish you posted a link. LOTS of things can happen underwater, Run out of air, black out, come up while holding your breath, get snagged, get lost in a shipwreck, so many different variables. I dive the most dangerous waterway in the United States, the St, Clair River at the mouth. The ONLY place in the USA a dive flag is NOT required and can't be used anyway. You try to tell a 1200' freighter he can't come withing 200' of you!!!! Also the current is 8 to 12 mph. CRAZY diving.

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BUT in detecting I dive to only 12' MOST the time. ALMOST impossible to get hurt IF you know what your doing and the BOATS know what a dive flag is. But diving has its dangers.
 
[size=x-large]There is some speculation that the divers may have been diving beyond their skill levels. The lake is up to 355 ft deep in places according to the story. Scuba diving is like any other activity and is usually safe if you are properly trained, equipped and follow the rules, but as scubadetector said, there are so many variables that can cause problems. I have been diving for 30 years and am a certified rescue diver . I have been involved in several rescues and most are caused by not following the rules or diving beyond your abilities.[/size]
 
A little cautious paranoia is also helpful. I would guess the scubadetector would let me dive with him if I ever got in his area. I wouldn't do it. I have as many hours in the water as he, but I am an old fart and what he's doing is NOW beyond my capabilities. Hey! scubadetector...I Google Earthed the places you spoke of. I like it. Aquapaloosa! That says it all. jim


Hey I read in the paper that a bunch of people got killed driving a car the other day. Anybody quit driving because of that? Just being a SA and trying to encourage gunnar to follow his dream and learn to dive.
 
OK, I just found the story, 2 divers died and a third is in the hospital, One was 60, one was 57 and the other that is still alive is my age 53. All from Minnesota Twin Cities and dove in Wisconsin. Still no word on what went wrong. BUT they were diving in maybe a place that was unfamilur to them and went past the safe diving limits. BUT without knowing the facts too hard to say. It does seem like with THREE divers in trouble they went too deep and either came up too fast or the most likely is they stayed over the bottom time limit and didn't do decompression stops. BUT those are just TWO out of many speculations.

When you dive for treasure your not normally going beyond 20 foot. One exception is my underwater park I just found. The dropoff goes down to 90' and it is steep. But so far I have found coins and rings down to 30' so I know they are deeper.

I dive shipwrecks sometimes, Right by the two bridges I posted are at least 5. The best one is at 75' deep in the middle of the channel UNDER that monster boat. It sank in 1890. Divers from a lot of places come here and a LOT have got in trouble. You go in at the seawall, You watch your air and you MAKE dang sure you have enough air to get back to the seawall to come up. I have seen WAY too many out of state divers SURFACE out in the middle. And here comes the coast guard to hassle EVERY dive group along the water to make sure everyone is accounted for.

One reason I dive alone. I do NOT want to babysit anyone in that fast water!! Had to do that with my 16 yr old daughter after she got certified because she wouldn't take no for an answer!!! DAD did have a nice time with her BUT she stayed inbetween me and the seawall and I never took my eyes off of her.

But seriously, when you go through lessons you learn ONE main thing and that is to "Plan your dive and dive your plan" The only problems I have in inland lakes is boaters that do NOT know what a dive flag is. I used to have a small one. Now I pull a big nylon covered tube with me (the kind you pull behind a boat with riders on it) with a 4' innertube flag holder (ebay) and a 24 X 24" flag.

It is great for large items I find especially boat anchors (I have over 50 beside my house!!) boat propellers, old brass ones and other large items I find underwater I don't want to carry. Also boats can SEE the thing instead of the smaller ones.

Ok more of my 2
 
http://www.startribune.com/local/south/98201404.html?elr=KArks:DCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiacyKUUr

There's the URL with the best report so far. The dive shop who knew these guys said they had trouble one other time with decompression. Didn't elaborate more than that. They figured the guys who didn't make it were doing a 200'er and the guy that lived did a 140' dive. This is where scubatector's warning, "Plan your dive and dive your plan" would have saved some lives. I can't believe anyone would see the need to do 200'. Especially on straight air. The shop owner said they were trained for 150'. Really sad! The only thing anyone can do about it to make sure they do what's necessary for prevention. Reaction is not gonna catch it in this kind of setting. jim
 
[size=x-large]Well its on the news today , aparently an emergency happened and they tried to surface to fast , i was also reading that when you dive that deep its like getting drunk you get a bit gitty and may not make the best desisions anyway if i was to dive i think 12 ft would cover lots of beach 12 ft deep man 200 ft that deep most lakes in this earea are only 40 at best thanks all you guys and galls, , i think i need more reasearch befor i get involved [/size]
 
I used to dive many years ago, mainly lakes with a Garrett XL500. I dived alone and never went deeper than 20', past 25' and you have to decompress after a certain amount of time underwater. Less than 25' and you don't have to decompress, that is why I never went deeper than 20'. The majority of the goodies I found were in about 10' of water. Just be careful and you will be ok. HH
 
sad story. there is a place up here in eastern pa where you can take scuba lessons or dive on your own if certified. they used to lose 1 or 2 people a year for about 5 years straight. place is an old deep slate quarry converted into a diving club.they must have changed the way they do business there as i have not heard of anymore deaths or accidents in last 10 years.
 
Old quarries are attractive for inland divers. Normally the visibility in a quarry is better than what we have in Puget Sound. However, fresh water is like a desert compared to the saltwater diving. Quarries get deep fast. Deep usually means increased potential for accidents. Doesn't have to be that way, but it is a risk factor. jim
 
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