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To all you new to the AT series of detectors!!
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unluckylester said:
Everybody is entitled to their opinion and I'll admit to being surprised that people who actually detect enjoy the show.
What I've noticed is most experienced detectorists don't like the show and folks that are newer to the hobby are more likely to enjoy it. I get that. I remember when I first started videos weren't as prevalent but I really enjoyed seeing people on video making good finds. Once I started digging keepers regularly, watching people I don't know make good finds wasn't as big a deal.
I decided I should know what's going on with this show so I watched a handful of shows in the second season. I've got about a dozen of them on my DVR now that I haven't watched.
You can say "don't watch the show if you don't like it" but me not watching the show won't stop the damage it's doing to our hobby.
When not being filmed, I would imagine the two "stars" of the show are likable fellows who don't act like morons every time they make a nice find and call their finds ridiculous things like juice and nectar.
But the bottom line is this show is bringing a whole lot of newbies into the hobby. Without any mention of how to do it properly.
To me, that is irresponsible.
unluckylester
New member
I get your statement and respect it. But in reality, it's not much like a gun or weapon. People who are stupid, are going to do stupid things. It doesn't matter what they are carrying. Yeah, it definitely is bringing new people into this activity. But for you not to like that is a little selfish i think. Or maybe you think if there is more people out there metal detecting, your finds would become less? I think their metal detecting etiquet on the show is spot on. Sure, it doesn't show them filling every hole in. But it does show them getting permission from landowners and creating a "buzz" for national history, which i think everyone needs. Hopefully people that watch the show will also watch their detector videos and read their instruction manuals. Inside the manuals tells the rules and proper etiquette to use while detecting.If not they will surely join some forum to ask questions and brag about a find. then they should stumble across proper form somewhere. For you to expect that from a TV show is a little absurd. Instructional videos are available all over. when watching an action-movie you don't expect them to teach you gun safety, do you?
Les
Les
unluckylester said:
Les, you are way off base about my motives for not liking Diggers.
It's only been five years since I took up detecting, I'm hardly a grizzled old timer.
So I remember quite well when I first started. I got a lot of good info and advice from a lot of seasoned vets on this forum and elsewhere. From time to time since then I've tried to give back by sharing some of the limited knowledge I've picked up. I try to always be welcoming to newcomers to the hobby. This hobby can be (and was for me) very frustrating when you are just learning.
It's true that what I primarily hunt for (old coins and silver) is not a renewable resource. The larger the pool of dirt fishers, the more the remaining supply gets depleted. But...
The larger the pool of detectorists, the more incentive there is for manufacturers to sink money into R&D for new and improved detectors. Detectors that will, by improved unmasking ability and greater depth, find coins that were previously undetectable. Thus effectively increasing the available supply of old coins and silver.
By definition, a TV show about metal detecting is going to have to skew reality to make it interesting for a larger group of people. Showing a bunch of typical finds in a half hour show is not going to hold the interest of most viewers. Fair enough. But it's so BS to exaggerate the value of the finds the way they do. A 1928-D penny potentially worth $40 is the one that sticks in my mind. In what alternate universe is a 1928-D penny dug out of the ground worth more than a few cents at best?
I don't think it's at all absurd to want a show that causes a lot of people to take up the hobby to spend a few seconds to show the right way to do it. It only takes one moron with a detector leaving holes in a park to make things bad for a whole lot of others.
The action movie comparison is what seems absurd to me. An action movie won't cause any viewer to imitate it unless they are seriously deranged. Diggers does cause viewers to take up what they are watching.
unluckylester
New member
Flat out. Anyway you want to look at it. The show is for entertainment not educational purposes. If you are not entertained do not watch it. The show is on cable. Not PBS! If a newbie wants to run around acting like a clown after a moderate find on property he has permission to be on. So be it. BIG DEAL! Onon the value thing. You have to look up the definition of potential. Not hard to do.
Les - I don't have to look up the meaning of potential value. It means it could be, but is not necessarily worth as much as the amount stated.
There is no way that a 1928-D pulled out of the ground could be worth $40. The most a 1928-D out of the ground could be worth under any circumstances is nowhere near that amount. There were numerous ridiculous values of finds I noticed in the few shows I watched, but the 28-D was the one that stuck with me. Apparently exaggerating the value of finds is all part of the "entertainment" to make the show more exciting.
I don't want to keep beating a dead horse and I respect your opinion, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
I'll give you this much, I like Diggers more (I probably should say I dislike it less) than the detecting show with that Savage character.
There is no way that a 1928-D pulled out of the ground could be worth $40. The most a 1928-D out of the ground could be worth under any circumstances is nowhere near that amount. There were numerous ridiculous values of finds I noticed in the few shows I watched, but the 28-D was the one that stuck with me. Apparently exaggerating the value of finds is all part of the "entertainment" to make the show more exciting.
I don't want to keep beating a dead horse and I respect your opinion, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
I'll give you this much, I like Diggers more (I probably should say I dislike it less) than the detecting show with that Savage character.
BootyHunter
Active member
OK, I have the AT Pro and I have been detecting for about 8 years, I own a top of the line brand as well as my main machine, but I Love the AT Pro and hunt with it fairly often along with my other brand. Now about Diggers, First of all, do yourself a favor and look up these guys on their website Anaconda Treasure Company. Read their story, they are 2 guys that love detecting, hunted together and basically thought all the detecting videos that they cut their teeth on were boring and dry, so they made a series of their own videos and included the stuff like they do on the show to "spice up the video" if you will and keep it interesting. Consider this, everyone on these forums loves to detect, or we wouldn't be on here, but when they make that show and it's on NatGeo, they have to captivate an entire audience of people who know little to nothing about metal detecting. We all would probably watch the show anyway if they just hunted and dug like any Youtube Video that we have all sat around watching, because we love detecting. Joe Public would not, if it were that type of show the only audience they would have would be us, they have to do interesting stuff like the side bets, the crazy antics and so forth to keep folks ENTERTAINED. They are competing with the likes of Swamp People, AXE men, and the 1000 other "reality" shows. So that stuff is not to retain us, it's to retain other unaffiliated folks.
And as for the finds, I believe they are legit, look at the end of the show when they are showing the property owners, there are usually dozens of bagged and tagged finds of everything found. They travel with Archaeologists that catalog and label all their finds to my understanding. Which would be boring and monotonous to have to do that with every little scrap of metal you unearthed.
Finally, I saw a comment about the sound the pinpointers make and how soon they beep or something to that effect. People, those detector and pp sounds are added in the editing process. It's obvious (to me anyway) that those aren't actual sounds as they are detecting, you wouldn't be able to hear the detector that well as they have on headphones and you would hear birds, planes, traffic and a million other sounds, think about it. Plus the detector tones don't even go with the types of targets half the time, so don't get worked up on that stuff, it is just to give non-detectorists the idea of the sounds involved with the hobby. Please, give these guys a break, do you really think that they have that much control over how the show is portrayed? Any of us would kill to be on a show like that and get to hunt the sites they do, I think they do a great job and represent the hobby well. And if any of us were doing the show we would not have control over that stuff either, so relax and if you do not like the show don't watch, but don't bash it over the type of stuff it gets bashed over. I do not know either of the guys or anyone involved with the show, but I get so sick of the "holier than thou" crowd that bashes it for the stupidest of reasons. Just my 2 cents. HH
And as for the finds, I believe they are legit, look at the end of the show when they are showing the property owners, there are usually dozens of bagged and tagged finds of everything found. They travel with Archaeologists that catalog and label all their finds to my understanding. Which would be boring and monotonous to have to do that with every little scrap of metal you unearthed.
Finally, I saw a comment about the sound the pinpointers make and how soon they beep or something to that effect. People, those detector and pp sounds are added in the editing process. It's obvious (to me anyway) that those aren't actual sounds as they are detecting, you wouldn't be able to hear the detector that well as they have on headphones and you would hear birds, planes, traffic and a million other sounds, think about it. Plus the detector tones don't even go with the types of targets half the time, so don't get worked up on that stuff, it is just to give non-detectorists the idea of the sounds involved with the hobby. Please, give these guys a break, do you really think that they have that much control over how the show is portrayed? Any of us would kill to be on a show like that and get to hunt the sites they do, I think they do a great job and represent the hobby well. And if any of us were doing the show we would not have control over that stuff either, so relax and if you do not like the show don't watch, but don't bash it over the type of stuff it gets bashed over. I do not know either of the guys or anyone involved with the show, but I get so sick of the "holier than thou" crowd that bashes it for the stupidest of reasons. Just my 2 cents. HH
teleman2525
New member
the diggers tv show is so much better then the american digger seris with randy savge now that like westling is a big stage show yoo baby at least the diggers do it right with a lot more respect to the hobby i got my at pro before i saw the show mostly to compiment my explorer se cause the at is water proof and i enjoy wading in my local lakes on 90 degree summer days but some how the at has become my maun detector cause it is so darn good and fun to use and at least the diggers are fun to watch and they do cover some good history yes thier juice and nector a bit over the top but we all do like to find roundness in the hole good hunting all
BootyHunter said:
As you said their audience is the same folks who watch Swamp People, Axe Men and 1000 other so-called reality shows, and that is who they are marketing it to. Logically, how could that be good for the hobby?
As a group, you can't much more holier-than-thou than archaeologists. A number of them apparently raised a stink after the first season and some changes were made for season two.
That just doesn't seem right, because I have a hard time agreeing with archies about anything when it comes to metal detecting.
You call it holier-than-thou, I call it respecting the hobby.
BootyHunter
Active member
marcomo said:
I said they are competing with those shows for viewers and we, folks who already enjoy metal detecting, would watch it even if it was just like any YouTube video of some dude detecting but people who are not into it would not. The names for the finds and the antics are to keep those folks watching. As far as respecting the hobby goes I don't see what is disrespectful to the hobby on the show but hey we all have our own opinions. I'm just saying talking about how the pinpointers beep and getting upset over calling finds juice and nectar is pretty silly when it should be obvious that they do that stuff to retain non detecting viewers. If they were going on properties without permission, leaving open holes and trash all over, that would be disrespecting the hobby but they are not doing those things. Certain folks putting up fake YouTube videos when a new detector comes out of somebody making out of this world, Over the top obvious b s finds is much more disrespectful to the hobby in my opinion and I have seen this happen too many times.
Hey Y'all,
New to this forum and maybe I can get some good info here.
I am finally going to get up enough money to upgrade my detectors next month. After many hours of research and reading forums I have decided on the ATP. I currently have a BH 505 Pro and a Titan 2000XD and have found many civil war bullet and lotsa junk with them. My plan is to hit the many areas here in Virginia again with the ATP and see if there is anything I have missed. With everything I have read about the ATP, I am led to believe that it will hunt deeper and I think that there are more artifacts just an inch or two lower than what I am digging. One can only hope...Right???
Gerry
New to this forum and maybe I can get some good info here.
I am finally going to get up enough money to upgrade my detectors next month. After many hours of research and reading forums I have decided on the ATP. I currently have a BH 505 Pro and a Titan 2000XD and have found many civil war bullet and lotsa junk with them. My plan is to hit the many areas here in Virginia again with the ATP and see if there is anything I have missed. With everything I have read about the ATP, I am led to believe that it will hunt deeper and I think that there are more artifacts just an inch or two lower than what I am digging. One can only hope...Right???
Gerry
Trackerman
New member
At pro best dam machine out there for the money no doubt. 
I have had my at pro for 2 weeks ,lol newbie here ..total today so far is 10.34 in clad ,1 silver ring , 1 EMS badge , 1 NYC Rail road police Sargent badge .1 2007 gold dollar barber and not as much junk. 3 wheat penny , 2 silver barber dimes . I started finding odd stuff when I dig as low as #35 . I have found this all in my back yard . I was told it was an old campsite for years. I will say it takes practice to learn to dig holes with no evidence . I will not go to a public park yet cause I am still learning this technique. I am a lot better now with over 100 holes and about 20 hrs on my machine . I also get excited about "ROUNDNESS" . I got back into this because my 12 year old daughter was watching diggers and told me she wanted to try this Hobby . SO I found a AT pro used brought it home in the first hr she found 20 coins with it . She used it the whole nite . I realized if I wanted my ATPRO back I would have to buy her on so I purchased a Fisher F2 and she loves it ....WE spend lots of time together enjoying this hobby and we do stupid stuff like the show but is all in good fun . Don't be so stuck up in this hobby ,enjoy life and take care of yourself everything else will fall in place . I see this a lot with newcomers into any hobby . I fly Giant RC 100cc stuff , The attitude some of the older flyers about the new guys really stinks ,seams they are jealous because you are starting out way better that they did and its NOT FAIR booo whooo . You have to pay your dues lol....I am still a better flyer than most of those guys ,Cause I am young and not afraid to crash . I wish that everyone would welcome the new people and help teach them the right way not thru the school of hard Knocks ...HAVE FUN IN LIFE its to short ..
What is everyone else's experience with #'s to dig ?
What is everyone else's experience with #'s to dig ?
anvilmanco
New member
[size=medium][size=large]I'm an old-timer in the hobby, but working with a new AT PRO, and loving it. I just love reading about smart people like you, that take time with their kids. My surviving kids are all well into adulthood, and my son that I lost at 21 was just realizing that the "old man" wasn't so stupid afterall. I miss him terribly, but more than anything, i miss memories we couldn't make going forward. That's why I try so hard to stay close to my kids,even with phones and text and e-mails, if nothing else.
God Bless you and your Daughter, and fantastic hunting.[/size][/size]
Regards,
EKW
God Bless you and your Daughter, and fantastic hunting.[/size][/size]
Regards,
EKW
I agree my oldest son 20 is still in the learning phase as you say .I am the biggest jerk that walks the earth . He a good kid and if I was his friend instead of a dad with him he would not turn out as well rounded as he is . Hey that's our Job , I hard to go thru it ...My youngest daughter is still dads little girl . This just makes it very special. The time we spend together away from all the distractions in modern life just her an I having fun . Hakuna-matata .She almost lost me 4 years ago .I am a cancer survivor. Non hodgkins Lymphoma . I know about time and thank GOD I have a second chance to enjoy my life with them .Its to easy to get carried away with todays life style .Enjoy Life Its to short ......