Thoughts after 1st hunt with my new Outlaw

[Matt_SC]

Hunted for about three hours today with my new Outlaw. Also did some air testing first. The only coil I used today was the 8" donut. I'll admit, after ordering the Outlaw, I worried weather or not it'd be money well spent. I really like my Eldorado but wanted more depth. I was concerned I wouldn't like the Outlaw as good as the Eldorado. I know many put no stock in air testing, but I think it is useful. In my air test the Outlaw is deeper than my Eldorado. Next I set out to see if I like using the Outlaw. It speaks a different language than the Eldorado but it operates just as smooth, just as easy, the no motion all metal is a great feature and the discrimination is fantastic. Tone modulation for target depth is really good too. My Eldorado has a higher tone sound that I like better but I'm sure I'll get used to the more mello sound of the Outlaw. My only other gripe is I like the multi beep style battery check better than the single tone style. Total finds today $2.43. 2Q,13D,4N & 43P (and a sack full of trash).

I can't wait to get more time with the Outlaw. I can really tell a difference in targets by their sound with the Eldorado and want that same ability with the Outlaw.

 

[BillF]

Hope you're able to get out a whole lot more. Really would like see your finds.
HH

 

[SpiritRelic]

I think we are all learning the Outlaw together here.It is mellow.We will learn more about it and can help others, that's great.I think it will pan out to be a big hit.Once we all figure all the little quirks out.Good review Matt.

 

[tvr]

My only other gripe is I like the multi beep style battery check better than the single tone style.

Agree! I hate that single tone battery check blast. The multiple beeps provide the information nicely and without making my ears ring, like my Compadre does when I have the headphones on when I turn it on. My routine with the other detectors I have is to put the headphones on before turning the detector on.

 

[GunnarMN]

thanks for the report, , and it will take some time to get settled in , on the outlaw, i would agree i dont like the loud blast eather , I wish it had one more thing ! a volume knobb for the speeker, my blisstool has this and i can keep it quet in the park and not have to wear headphones on a hot day or crank it if it is windy . maybe i can find a speeker to plug into the headphone jack that is not as loud so far that my only suggestion ,

 

[mike5853]

Hey Matt - The Outlaw is a solid detector and the Disc circuit , with it fine resolution, is outstanding. I switched over to the DD coil about a month into using it and it stayed on all Summer long. As you may know, DD coils are not quite as deep as a concentric of the same size, as a rule. That

 

[TesoroMD]

One fault I think we created was not calling the Outlaw "Super Intricate". The machine has tons of features. We tried to fill the gap in the Epsilon Series with a true no-motion machine to fit the price point customers expect from us.

 

[mike5853]

One fault I think we created was not calling the Outlaw "Super Intricate". The machine has tons of features. We tried to fill the gap in the Epsilon Series with a true no-motion machine to fit the price point customers expect from us.

Not sure I follow your statement. Are you saying you should have called the Outlaw "Super Intricate"? Intricate is another way of saying complicated. The Outlaw is one of the most flexible detectors I've used capable of meeting, with the exception of salt water beaches, pretty much all hunting situations, but it's not intricate or difficult to use. It does have a comprehensive collection of features which makes it one of the best values on the market.

 

[Idxpro]

I think for us new tesoro guys it is quite intricate. The ground balance being thrown off so often by switching modes, the retune button doing some weird stuff, is rather complicated. I find it must be balanced dead perfect and then hunt in disc mode is fine, but soon as yiu start flipping switches or pushing buttons, things get out of wack. Ever simply flip from disc to no mo all metal and the signal is gone? Happens to often. I raise the coil high up, hit retune and now the target is back. It drives me nuts..

 

[mike5853]

I think for us new tesoro guys it is quite intricate. The ground balance being thrown off so often by switching modes, the retune button doing some weird stuff, is rather complicated. I find it must be balanced dead perfect and then hunt in disc mode is fine, but soon as yiu start flipping switches or pushing buttons, things get out of wack. Ever simply flip from disc to no mo all metal and the signal is gone? Happens to often. I raise the coil high up, hit retune and now the target is back. It drives me nuts..

I would agree that the Outlaw might not be the best choice for some one who is new to the hobby. The three functions of the Retune button alone can be a bit confusing. Going with a Compadre, Silver or even a Cibola would be a few of the better detectors for those who are just getting started. My comment for TesoroMD was purely in the context of marketing. If you do own an Outlaw and you're new to the hobby, keep it simple. As with any detector, start off in All Metal Motion/Auto position, ground balance, then switch over to Disc and leave it there. As you get a better understanding of the detector, you can make changes. As I mentioned in my video, in Disc Mode, I'll press the Retune occasionally to optimize depth. I can still remember a few years ago when I first got my DFX, and went through the menu, I thought are you kidding!? In a short time however I was running it with out a problem.

 

[Idxpro]

My choice was between the Outlaw or the Mxt pro. Maybe the Mxt would have been a better choice because I was already used to the Idxpro. The reason I did chose the Outlaw was because of the no motion as i like to hunt in Am with my idx. With the Idx simply throwing the trigger forward puts you in AM motion and works great and doesn't mess anything up, but I really wanted a manual gb unit for all around conditions. I will keep at it for a while in hopes that I get it. What's your thoughts on the Mxt Pro?

 

[SpiritRelic]

Keep checking it out good.I heard Robert talk on a other forum of a few issues with the outlaw.Just pay close attention to it.This detector is different but may still need some time to figure the small details.I am not ready to throw in the towel on the outlaw.This quirky mode thing might turn into something good in the long run.It is just different because of the true no motion.I have read there is a difference in no -motion and true no motion.The outlaw has true no motion .

 

[Idxpro]

I just posted on another thread about something I just discovered. i'd like you to try it on yours and give me some feedback. Place it on a table in all metal non motion with a very slight audio hum. Then just "touch" the trigger with your finger. Don't switch it, just grip it. Does your audio rise? Mine does. This must be a flaw, i think??

 

[mike5853]

My choice was between the Outlaw or the Mxt pro. Maybe the Mxt would have been a better choice because I was already used to the Idxpro. The reason I did chose the Outlaw was because of the no motion as i like to hunt in Am with my idx. With the Idx simply throwing the trigger forward puts you in AM motion and works great and doesn't mess anything up, but I really wanted a manual gb unit for all around conditions. I will keep at it for a while in hopes that I get it. What's your thoughts on the Mxt Pro?

I will send you a pm later on regarding the MXT and MXT pro.

 

[SpiritRelic]

I just posted on another thread about something I just discovered. i'd like you to try it on yours and give me some feedback. Place it on a table in all metal non motion with a very slight audio hum. Then just "touch" the trigger with your finger. Don't switch it, just grip it. Does your audio rise? Mine does. This must be a flaw, i think??

You can not just do like that in the no motion mode.You have to be outside with the coil to the ground for that.Just learning the outlaw tune in auto and hunt in disc.Check target with button.Do not try to test the detector in no motion,it will only confuse you.You guys are letting this get out of control.This detector is awesome,different also.I am believing in mine because i know it will turn out to have some good quality's to it. :-D

 

[Idxpro]

Spirit, i'm not trying to make a bigger issue than it is. Like I said before, this is new to me. I don't want to give up and sell it, not yet anyway. I'm just trying to learn it's behavior that's all. It's raining like crazy here ,so testing today is a no go. I really like the extra depth of metal hunting, so staying in disc mode isn't what I want to do. I've been in that mode since last November and have a pretty good feel for it. I'm just trying to move up to all metal as I have my Whites. All was good until I started attempting switching modes, that's when things got really confusing. Sorry if I made things seem more thn they were, it wasn't my intentions. I'm certainly not saying it's not a good unit, i just need to better understnd it, and i'm truly trying.

 

[Furious T]

idxpro, You're well on your way to solving your problem, mainly because you recognise your own confusion and not just blaming the machine. Could I suggest that you do something like this: When it stops raining, take a few hours with the Outlaw, the manual, a notebook and pen/pencil, and a few coins/rings for testing purposes. Go somewhere where you will be alone (away from yours and other peoples houses) and wont be interrupted and where the possibility of emi is low. Take your time and go through the different procedures relating to the changing of modes...follow the manual where it is relevant....and make notes on what happens or what you discover..make notes on the results of your tests. Keep track on how many times you press the button and/or how hard you press it, and making notes of all of this will help you to put it all together. An important thing is to give yourself the time to do this so you can keep a clear head and dont feel rushed or frustrated. Trying to learn the features of a machine while you are trying to find stuff can lead to frustration and confusion, so this is why I suggested you take some testing targets along. Good luck, I know the Outlaw is a good machine, and I also know that it takes time to work out some of its features. HH

 

[Idxpro]

I certainly will do that Furious. I know Monte stated that the retune button was nothing more than momentary switch doing the same function as the toggle switch, but then it got really confusing when i heard 53silver state that it optimizes the machines performance, say in temp changes, and to hit it from time to time to ensure its optimized. Is there some merit to this"optimization" switch or is it just as Monte stated??

 

[GunnarMN]

I,D,X yes it will give better depth in all metal , that is how i intend to use it for finding deep targets in the woods & farm feild. but in that mode . its also going to be sensitive to your shovle or steel toes boots and any large metal , wich would make it good for Cach hunting or finding old dumps and privys. my point of detuning the no motion was for the soccer feilds wher i dont want to dig deep as most Items are under 3" , when i detune it it becomes less sensitive on small things, but can still hit the nickle at the depth of a 2x4 now when i take it out to the woods I want to hunt in NO motion tuned as deep as i can get it , think about it in the brush you cant swing I hunted this way with my Soverighn GT and it worked well i often would check in disc mode, Its nice haveing three modes and two all metals they will come in real handy. so it is good to master them and learn what they can and cant do you know what if you compadre runs into some really mineralized ground and will not hit targets, thats the advantige of the outlaw you can get thru stuff like that . like you say you have used the Disc mode and are comfortable with it now step out and learn the all metal modes, you may need them the only reason i bought this detector was because of the no motion mode.

 

[SpiritRelic]

Spirit, i'm not trying to make a bigger issue than it is. Like I said before, this is new to me. I don't want to give up and sell it, not yet anyway. I'm just trying to learn it's behavior that's all. It's raining like crazy here ,so testing today is a no go. I really like the extra depth of metal hunting, so staying in disc mode isn't what I want to do. I've been in that mode since last November and have a pretty good feel for it. I'm just trying to move up to all metal as I have my Whites. All was good until I started attempting switching modes, that's when things got really confusing. Sorry if I made things seem more thn they were, it wasn't my intentions. I'm certainly not saying it's not a good unit, i just need to better understnd it, and i'm truly trying.

It is a matter i think of making sure your are retuned to your previous threshold before going back into disc mode that's all.If you are in no motion and you do not retune to the original threshold before going back into disc mode you will have a problem.I am excited about this detector.It is so different.The no motion will confuse you real quick.You will be sorry if you don't learn it and a year from now it turns out to be another vaquero.