Thanks Ken -I have the 14 mono on my bucket list. I have hunted in some heavy mineralized soil with my 8 and it runs as smooth as silk, gets good depth and I have yet to be bothered by hot rocks. I have hunted the same ground with my ATG and it has a hard time getting past the minerals and keeps me working at disc(ing) out the hot ones. Kind of exciting digging hot rocks tho - I am going to start breaking a few on my next trip. Found a quartz vein running across my secret brook (with the Finny) and get a signal on one area(low tone hi echo) that will reverse disc out. Will bring some tools to extract that part of the vein. It's real rusty looking so who knows! It's not a gold tone (unless it's BIG gold) but maybe.........? something?