The real difference in machines ?

[Dancer]

Here's a comparison that happens almost every day. On a beach I hunt at least 4 guys are hunting ( mostly wading )the Nox. 3 of which are the 800. Sometimes they hunt the same area, sometimes well apart. The most successful machine between them happens to belong to the one man who hunts many more hours than the others. On the other hand gotta guy comes down once in a while, different brand machine. Scores his share of gold rings. Is it his machine? Doubtfull. Its about 20 years old, but a dandy. Taking account of lady luck success over the long haul usually goes to the most experienced hunter with the most time. Not so much the machine. Course theres a lot of room for debate here.

 

[laplander]

There has to be a balance of skill, experience, luck, and the detector. At the end of the day you gotta get over the top of it and have your machine set up properly and be willing to dig.
HH Jeff

 

[calabash digger]

Everything I am about to say is coming from a relic hunting perspective...I believe in putting the time in and I also believe in using the best gear available. I dont determine how good gear performs by FINDS. A pinpointer on a stick will find something in a loaded site . I have a set of test I have been using for the last 6 years and they have served me well in determining what is BEST for the type of hunting I do. This is my opinion and others will disagree.... Your machine is a big part because metal detecting is a game of odds and a great machine will increase your chances in your favor.( of course that depends on if you spend the time to learn how to run it)

I see three guys using a Nox and another guy comes up with a dinosaur detector and whips the socks off of them. First thing I think is the three guys might not know how to run their detector very well...Of course it could have just been lady luck too that the guy found more. Is there a better 20 year old beach machine than the Nox?

I use a OLD Excall for water myself....I use a Deus and a Equinox for relics...Why? Because they blow the doors off anything ever made to hunt relics in iron...That statement is based on testing and comparing them head to head with the older relic machines. The Excall will more than likely be retired after I get my Deus 2 because a Deus is going to be better in iron.

I have seen this conversation before about how its not the detector but the operator...Here is a thought.... Old detector tops out on a silver coin at 8 inches....New detector tops out at 12 inches on a silver coin ....Who has the best odds all thing considered of finding deep silver coins? Like I said a game of odds....Do the odds ALWAYS go in favor of the guy with the better performing detector? No. but I am gonna play the game that gives me the best odds...

Time .,... What if the most experienced hunter with the most time had been using the best performing detector available for what he or she does? What would their finds have been then?

As for me MOST of the relic sites I hit have been hammered for years and I need every bit of performance I can get to squeak out a few good ones...I am dealing with iron I get that is a whole different game than normal beach hunting.

 

[Dancer]

Hunting beaches. The beach isn't always as pretty under the sand as it would seem. Storms and partys can sure foul up an area. Bonfires fueled by lumber riddled with nails, melted alum. cans are great spots. But thats where Gold, Silver and coins are lost. Great storms that have washed out docks, houses, condos keep beach hunting interesting. Party boat tie ups littered with pull tabs, rusty bottle caps hide the rings neckless' and bracelets. Then theres the affect of salt water, black sand has on a machine. There are a handfull of machines that have been proven for these conditions. Minelab, Garrett, Fisher, Whites, the newer Tarsacci. Pulse Inductions. Equipment is very important. But the hunters who can sniff out a old site, hack threw brush, sift through trash and rescue those old coins, well that ain't easy. Same go's for the beach, park hunters who seek the Gold / Silver. A hunter got to read a site. Course blind luck is always welcome.

 

[calabash digger]

I am going to test the new Deus 2 over at my local beach on some gold targets in the wet sand. I live 2 miles from the ocean and there are a lot of beach hunters here who be interested in seeing how it performs. I know guys who can read the beach and are very good at finding the gold. The beach is just not my cup of tea...

 

[Monte]

Way back when, before the doctors gave me a cane to get around, I did well at the coastal beach, but I only got over there two to four times a year. It was a longer drive from where I lived, and when I had time I drove the opposite direction to get to old-use sites I preferred to hunt. Those were typically loaded with debris, especially Iron Nails and other small, discarded ferrous junk. My Tesoro's work well in those places, but my two 'assigned' detectors for such places are the Nokta FORS CoRe and FORS Relic with their small, 5"ish coils. The main need is separation where I hunt.

Monte

 

[woodbutcher]

Most machines will find most targets if you get your coil over them. Luck is probably the biggest part of it, Not only do you need to get a coil over it, but somone had to have lost somthing in that area to be found... The perfect storm of two ages..
Been at this along time myself,and I always hear the skill part come into play. And then the better mouse trap comes out,,bla bla bla,, then the endless videos.
Just getting out and swinging whatever you got will fill your pouch regardless of what the three stooges are swinging...lol...Ive used a lot of the newer tech out,and although I think they’re good and the tech side has evolved some ,,well it’s like my friend said not long ago,,they’re trying to reinvent the wheel..

 

[KenB]

The solution is simple - swing the new Deus II in one hand and the new Legend in the other, because we all know they're going to be the best machines ever; their marketing tells us so! Skill, luck, equipment - all of them combine to produce the end result. As Calabash says - I'll tip the odds in my favor by trying to have the best gear, learning it well and doing research to get on a site with good potential. All of them are foundations for having a successful hunt on more than just a random basis.

 

[Confetrit]

The solution is simple - swing the new Deus II in one hand and the new Legend in the other, because we all know they're going to be the best machines ever; their marketing tells us so! Skill, luck, equipment - all of them combine to produce the end result. As Calabash says - I'll tip the odds in my favor by trying to have the best gear, learning it well and doing research to get on a site with good potential. All of them are foundations for having a successful hunt on more than just a random basis.

Well said.

 

[jim tn]

Mindset folks, mindset, mindset plays a good part in our successes. Calabash uses detectors that are tops for him in his test gardens and has success with them in the field. He has high confidence in them. Others of us are successful with what we are using and ultimately have high confidence in said unit we are swinging. No-one is actually wrong. This is just a hobby, not a life or death test on which detector is best. Learn what you are swinging well, have confidence in it and you will enjoy huge success and whether it is actually the best won't matter all that much. Have fun! HH jim tn