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The new White's Detector

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Neil in West Jersey

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I have been hearing for a while about a new detector from White's. I am guessing it will be along the lines of an AT Pro or a CTX3030, but has anyone heard anything about a possible new waterproof discriminating detector with a display from White's?
 
no but would be a welcomed addition !!! :wave:
 
You have models mainly for the most popular ground, the Traditional Coin Hunter. Then you have the three "Specialty Categories" and that includes Relic Hunters, Beach Hunters and Gold Nugget Hunters.

The V3i is too new and it called for too much R&D to replace it already, and the VX3, MXT Pro and M6, to me, fill all of the voids that could exist for most Coin Hunters. I don't see a change. So, let's consider the 'specialty' groups.

Relic Hunters would have a tough time berating the all-purpose performance of the MXT Pro (or MXT), and for many, the M6 can fill their needs, or they can go up-scale to the VX3 or V3i. I don't see any change coming.

Beach Hunters have the Dual Field, and for more 'average' occasional beach hunters the M6, MXT Pro, VX3 and V3i are going to be used a great deal, and still produce great results. Then there are models like the Garrett AT Pro, good to a whopping ten feet, but who really needs any visual Target ID on a Beach Hunting detector? Cloudy, murky water just doesn't seem like a typical place to want or need visual Target ID, or be able to gain much benefit trying to use TID when looking for all sorts of thin to thick, smaller to larger gold jewelry. l don't see a change.

What does that leave? The specialty group of Gold Nugget Hunters, and with the soaring price of gold, and the big surge in gold being discovered all over the globe, there just might be a demand for making a better mouse trap for that pesky yellow metal. Let's face it, the way I see it, the all metal mode VLF models have advanced about as far as they can and, while there are some very good specimens out there now, even from White's, I see where a change might be considered.

The :ausflag: based group seems to have a big draw for their pulse units over the VLF versions, and while our :usaflag: built Oregon models are also appealing, such as the GMT VLF models and the TDI Pulse models, I can see where 'change' could be a consideration. That's my 'best guess' and what I concluded in a discussion with a guy this week regarding where we are and what direction manufacturers might go. I couldn't see any other option because I am too dedicated the the excellent MXT Pro and M6 for most of my White's work, and just tinkering with the VX3 and V3i when I have time.

However, a "new" detector can always be nothing more than a good healthy rumor.

Monte
 
Monte, I think you are missing the point of the AT Pro and the potential niche market of a water/land machine that a water/land Whites model could fill. I don't own an AT Pro (yet) but the beauty of a waterproof LIGHT detector with full functions and VDI screen is that it's just as at home on land as in the water. That's what makes that machine a good seller. Maybe not as deep on land or in the water as some other machines, but it's still got very good performance and is cheap so it fills both needs of land and water for people. Of course you don't need a screen in the water, but on land it's needed, along with more extensive controls than many water machines, and as long as the machine is light then it's just as comfortable and useful on land as in the water.

I wouldn't mind seeing Whites come out with such a machine along those lines. I feel there is a huge market out there and plenty of room for others to fill it along side the AT Pro. I was hoping Minelab would replace the Excal and Sovereign with a BBS water machine with full functions (say all the controls of a GT and it's VDI screen) and VDI screen so it was just as comfortable on land. I would figure by using the old (but still great and pretty much as deep as it gets) BBS technology they could keep the price under a grand to make it attractive to people. Not much if any R&D expenses for the electronics. You would think it would make sense because now they'd only have to make one machine that does what the Sovereign and Excal does. Sure, you can wade belly button deep with a Sovereign by chest mounting the control box but being able to go deeper and not worry about getting it wet is better even, not to mention hunting on land in the rain without worry.

Anyway, so I'd love to see Whites come out with such a machine. Currently there is no light land/water machine out there or at least one with full functions and VDI screen so it's more useful on land and not just for water, or at least not one at a reasonable price like the AT Pro. Come on Whites! It's a sure bet of a great seller! Sure, there are many water machines you can use on land, but they either lack full function controls and a VDI screen or they aren't light and cheap(er).
 
I know there were issues with the battery on the TDI's to make them water Proof. I really think that is and area they may be looking at. It is one of the best beach machines I have ever used. The only problems for me was the bobby pins, fish hooks and some other iron items. If they could be blocked out without loosing depth that would be a plus. The couple times I used the Pro at the beach it was great with small gold in the wet sand. It was also great on deep targets. I keep thinking about purchasing another one but also keep hoping there is a water proof version in the works. We can always dream right?
 
I would buy a Whites along the line of an ATpro for sure. I do some water hunts from time to time and would welcone a TID - VLF machine from Whites. I do more ankle to waist deep water hunts and the TID would be a good feature. Plus when you hit the dry the TID again would be great. Even if you never take a waterproof machine into the water it has other built in advantages like - dust proof, moisure proof and rain proof. I have had two BHID's at they worked pretty good. But it weighs over 5 pounds. When you hip mount it you can't see the lights well at all. I ran them in the all metal mode and rely on the lights. So I had to install the control head back on the rod. This makes for a heavy beast. Whites - work on a machine to compete with the ATpro and don't forget a backlight!
 
But didn't the AT Pro have issues under water? It's supposed to be water proof
but leaked. Has Garrett adressed that yet?
Salida
 
[size=large]the water-proof issue has been addressed for the most part but may be why whites is not pursueing that type of machine. evry claim made on the AT Pro at the start failed in the field. maybe whites is working on that but won't release til they know it won't fail. who knows but whites R&D.

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Whites can do it!!!!!!!! make a water unit to hold up to the AT-Pro or to the Minelabs under water Weedeater 30-30 ???? over priced???
And Whites can make a waterproof Detector better than both the above units, I mickfin will be amongst the first to get one!!!!!
Cozz im a old Whites user started in 1988 with Whites, I wanted a VLF water unit and i will admit it i use a Garrett AT-Pro,
But i say to you Now Whites if you can make a water Detector Like the AT-Pro I will trad it in for one you have my word on it,
It dosent have to go 200 ft deep in the water and it dosent have to have wireless headphones or a coil,
Just as Light as the AT-Pro and all that it can do N more?????? You can do it WHITES?????? Mickfin,
 
Lets hear it!!!!!!!! WHITES can do it, I need some feedback i need a Whites Fix?????? Mickfin
 
Whites needs an Atpro buster. They also need to redesign their pinpointer that is auto tune. I believe Tek is about ready to release an amphibious machine?? So I've heard....???
 
Did anybody hear anything yet?????? Mickfin
 
If White's wants to develop something, thye ought to develop a better coil than that crazy 12" monstrosity they have on the Dual Field and the BeachHunter.

Darn thing feels like you're swinging a garbage can lid and it floats like a cork.

Yeah, thats just what I want out of a water detector, a floating coil.

Seriously White's, your name brand is top notch.

Everyone respects your company.

You really need to fix this.
 
Smudge said:
If White's wants to develop something, thye ought to develop a better coil than that crazy 12" monstrosity they have on the Dual Field and the BeachHunter.

Darn thing feels like you're swinging a garbage can lid and it floats like a cork.

Yeah, thats just what I want out of a water detector, a floating coil.

Seriously White's, your name brand is top notch.

Everyone respects your company.

You really need to fix this.
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I have the Dual Field, I have no problem with the floating coil. I find it to be easy to keep it down. The large coil goes deep and and pinpoints good. I like the fact that the machine floats, in case it gets knocked off of me by a wave.
 
A whites with signagraph ,vco pinpointing, 8 in spyder coil or 10 in dd spyder coil and vdi # , forget the icons, good for 10 or more ft underwater, with an adjustable gb. Would really fly.
 
Smudge said:
If White's wants to develop something, thye ought to develop a better coil than that crazy 12" monstrosity they have on the Dual Field and the BeachHunter.

Darn thing feels like you're swinging a garbage can lid and it floats like a cork.

Yeah, thats just what I want out of a water detector, a floating coil.

Seriously White's, your name brand is top notch.

Everyone respects your company.

You really need to fix this.
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My massive 12" diameter White's coil has found 17 gold rings and 18 silver rings so far this year. I wouldn't trade the depth advantage you get with those coils for anything.
 
That coil doesn't give you any depth advantage on small targets.

People chat up large coils, but time and again they are shown to have less senstivity to small targets are greater deapths, but higher senstivity to large targets.

That might be a plus for relic hunters, but not so much so beach jewelry hunters.

While I love the Dual Field's senstivity to small jewelry (and your ring count has shown), I can find no reason why the coil has to be that large.

And it is simply foolish (sorry, no other word for it) to make a water detector with a coil that floats.

As far as I am concerned, that idea flunks Detector Engineering 101.

Here again, thats all just my opinion. You got what works for you and your ring count shows it. Congrats!
 
Take some time from swinging and alittle time lifting--it's good for the body and your MD won't seem so heavy
 
Hi too all i called Whites today I asked if thy are comming out with a new water Detector???? I was told thy are comming out with two a VLF and a PI Dec, 4 months away!!!!! The VLF will be a Waterproof MXT with tone ID and on the PI
i dont know??? She had to ancer phones 4R other people i was still asking Questions thats all i know?????
Will somebody call in and ask some Questions on the PI ???????????????????????????????????????
 
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