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The new DEUS metal detector by XP metal detectors. Check it out.
- Thread starter JASONSPAZ1
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Living_history
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Ive had the good fortune to have used the new XP Deus in the field for the past three weeks, having borrowed one from a friends Grandfather while he is resting a broken toe. (He broke it the day the new machine arrived, bad luck Wyn), and Ive found it to be an adequate machine although Im afraid the bad points outweigh the good, (for me anyway).
The good points:
1) It is exceptionally light, you can swing this thing all day and barely notice its there.
2) It has good depth, I found an Elizabeth 1st penny at around 7"-9" and the signal was loud and proud.
3) It stores very nicely and looks like the Starship Enterprise when collapsed.
4) The display is very large and easy to read in all light conditions.
Not really bad as such, but minus points:
1) It does not perform as well as a Whites DFX or XLT, a Sovereign XS-2a Pro, C-Scope CS3 MX.
2) It costs
The good points:
1) It is exceptionally light, you can swing this thing all day and barely notice its there.
2) It has good depth, I found an Elizabeth 1st penny at around 7"-9" and the signal was loud and proud.
3) It stores very nicely and looks like the Starship Enterprise when collapsed.
4) The display is very large and easy to read in all light conditions.
Not really bad as such, but minus points:
1) It does not perform as well as a Whites DFX or XLT, a Sovereign XS-2a Pro, C-Scope CS3 MX.
2) It costs
Great report. Nice to hear from an actual user.
How did you find the recovery speed, especially in trashy areas compared to the whites and other machines you mentioned.
Can you plug in a set of headphones if you chose not to use the wireless ones or the batteries died?
Cheers
How did you find the recovery speed, especially in trashy areas compared to the whites and other machines you mentioned.
Can you plug in a set of headphones if you chose not to use the wireless ones or the batteries died?
Cheers
Nauti
Well-known member
That was the sort of result i was expecting from an actual user of the machine.It's all fairly meaningless technology designed to tempt people to give over enormous amounts of money for little in the way of earth shattering performance.All the detector manufacturers are guilty of this to some extent i'm afraid.To answer your question turtleman, if the new machine is as fast as the old xp goldmax power it will be a lot quicker than any of the mentioned detectors.Also just a point about the weight of a machine......a detector can be too light in certain circumstances such as in stiff stuble.I own a T2 which is very light.....too light to break down stiff stubble which almost makes it unusable in certain fields.
One last point regarding all this new technology.What detector has won the G**S for the last severn years in a row??You probably all know the answer it's a detector whose technology has changed very little in over twenty years.Makes you stop and think does'nt it.
One last point regarding all this new technology.What detector has won the G**S for the last severn years in a row??You probably all know the answer it's a detector whose technology has changed very little in over twenty years.Makes you stop and think does'nt it.
SteveP(NH), you wrote :
"Compare the "innovation" of this machine with the innovations that other companies have done when they introduced new machines recently - for instance look at the Minelab X-Terra series - you change the frequency that the machine is working at by change the search coil. The different frequency coils are wound to be optimized for their frequency to insure maximum depth"...
...or maximum money for minelab. the deus has 3 frequencies to choose . the deus transforms into a goldmaxx power by choosing the high frequency or in a gmaxx by choosing the low frequency. there is no need to buy expensive optional coils with other frequencies. or does minelab offer them for free?! is the whites spectra's ability to show how targets react to different frequencies worth the "little"extra money compared to a dfx or mxt? or is the f75's boost and cache mode a revolution?
i think that every company wants to make money and every metal detector will find coins or relics such as every car will bring you from a to b. however it is a differnce sitting in a ford or a ferrari...
i do not favour the xp machines because i am a european, but these machines have set new standards over here as far as weight,depth, target separation and recovery speed are concerned. the goldmaxx power seemed like a lobo supertraq on steroids to me, when i used it the first time. xp is a relatively new company but these french machines have conquered europe like napoleon and not without reason.
you have the oldest and proudest names of the industry in the u.s. but the real innovations of the last decade were made in australia or in france. it is time to wake them up. fisher is on the right way but whites is sleeping since long (mxt), same do garrett(gti 2500) and tesoro(tejon), technologically and as far as design is concerned.
or do todays mobile phones still look like the ones that were available in 1990? the only thing they have in common is the ability to telephone with them. the whites spectrav3 still looks like the spectrum xlt of those good old days.
again, i am not against american made metal detectors since they were for long the best machines money can buy (and most of them still are) but it is time for some of them to wake up or others will make their money.
"Compare the "innovation" of this machine with the innovations that other companies have done when they introduced new machines recently - for instance look at the Minelab X-Terra series - you change the frequency that the machine is working at by change the search coil. The different frequency coils are wound to be optimized for their frequency to insure maximum depth"...
...or maximum money for minelab. the deus has 3 frequencies to choose . the deus transforms into a goldmaxx power by choosing the high frequency or in a gmaxx by choosing the low frequency. there is no need to buy expensive optional coils with other frequencies. or does minelab offer them for free?! is the whites spectra's ability to show how targets react to different frequencies worth the "little"extra money compared to a dfx or mxt? or is the f75's boost and cache mode a revolution?
i think that every company wants to make money and every metal detector will find coins or relics such as every car will bring you from a to b. however it is a differnce sitting in a ford or a ferrari...
i do not favour the xp machines because i am a european, but these machines have set new standards over here as far as weight,depth, target separation and recovery speed are concerned. the goldmaxx power seemed like a lobo supertraq on steroids to me, when i used it the first time. xp is a relatively new company but these french machines have conquered europe like napoleon and not without reason.
you have the oldest and proudest names of the industry in the u.s. but the real innovations of the last decade were made in australia or in france. it is time to wake them up. fisher is on the right way but whites is sleeping since long (mxt), same do garrett(gti 2500) and tesoro(tejon), technologically and as far as design is concerned.
or do todays mobile phones still look like the ones that were available in 1990? the only thing they have in common is the ability to telephone with them. the whites spectrav3 still looks like the spectrum xlt of those good old days.
again, i am not against american made metal detectors since they were for long the best machines money can buy (and most of them still are) but it is time for some of them to wake up or others will make their money.
Nauti
Well-known member
alex74,you say that the American detector manufacturers have been sleeping lately over technology etc but this does not answer the question i posted earlier.I pointed out that the detector that has won the G**S competition for the last severn years in a row is a detector that runs on technology that is over twenty years old and American.This competition has teams from the companies you have mentioned(who have supposedly made the biggest advances in technology,namely minelab)and they do not do well.In fact second place was also taken by an American manufacturer.A lot of the new technology that is being touted as the next best thing in detecting is frankly a complete waste of time and does not provide the user with any real advantage in terms of finds rates.What detector manufacturers should concentrate on is increasing things like more accurate target seperation and discrimination.....something that will help increase find rates and not stupid things like wireless coils etc.The T2 and F75 are two detectors that spring to mind.....better recovery speeds so you have more chance in the trash,and both from America.You mention the Tejon being old technology...it is....but if it is'nt broke why fix it??I will put the Tejon up against any offering from minelab on an ancient site and i know i will have a better chance of finding those hammered coins.By the way I'm from England so i do not have any reason to defend American made detectors apart from the fact that they work...and work well.
I'm with UK Brian on this one. You can make any variety of already existing USA machines do such great video air tests, if you want. But to replicate that "in the field" in a "usable way", is another story.
For example, you can already take a Fisher 1266, and do the same air test feats. Seemingly even with discrimination. Ie.: a 1266 will pick up a quarter in an air test to an easy 16" or whatever, right? And then wave a nail in front of it, and it breaks up no problem, right? But once you get it in the field, it clicks and clacks all over the place. Ie.: hard to use is cluttered areas. And your discrimination "hits a brick wall" at about 5", in all but the best - least mineralized soils, where everything beyond a certain depth sounds the same, despite the air test results.
For example, you can already take a Fisher 1266, and do the same air test feats. Seemingly even with discrimination. Ie.: a 1266 will pick up a quarter in an air test to an easy 16" or whatever, right? And then wave a nail in front of it, and it breaks up no problem, right? But once you get it in the field, it clicks and clacks all over the place. Ie.: hard to use is cluttered areas. And your discrimination "hits a brick wall" at about 5", in all but the best - least mineralized soils, where everything beyond a certain depth sounds the same, despite the air test results.
SteveP(NH)
New member
You missed (or at least didn't respond to) the main point I was trying to make.
First off I was not saying that all of XP's machines were no good. From what I hear most of their past machines were excellent units so your defence of XP in general is not needed nor was I saying the Deus itself is a poor performer.
The point I was making is that in the Deus XP made a mistake by seemingly spending all of their R&D efforts in "innovations" that do not help the detector user find more targets than they could have with one of their older units. From what I can tell from end user reports is that the machine performs much as their older units do though I haven't seen too many reports about recovery speed (which is a very important feature in my opinion) so I am awaiting some specific reports in that department.
This thread and at least some of your comments indicates that some folks feel like the Deus is some sort of revolutionary detector with lots of new expensive features that other detector manufacturers should clone. I haven't seen anything like that from what I have read about the detector. All of the new features seem to be status features that don't make the machine any more effective at finding targets.
So my point is that I would rather detector manufacturers invest their research and development efforts into making more machines like the Technetics T2 ($799) that is all about maximum performance, instead of the Deus (~$2700) which seems to justify much of its more expensive price used to make it look better while offering a similar level of performance.
I guess the bottom line as long as we have companies like First Texas and XP (and the others) around everyone can find machines to buy to suit their personal preferences - some can based their purchases on performance and others can spend a lot more on glamour features just like the difference between a Ford Mustang (let's make that a 427R model to be fair) and a Ferrari.
First off I was not saying that all of XP's machines were no good. From what I hear most of their past machines were excellent units so your defence of XP in general is not needed nor was I saying the Deus itself is a poor performer.
The point I was making is that in the Deus XP made a mistake by seemingly spending all of their R&D efforts in "innovations" that do not help the detector user find more targets than they could have with one of their older units. From what I can tell from end user reports is that the machine performs much as their older units do though I haven't seen too many reports about recovery speed (which is a very important feature in my opinion) so I am awaiting some specific reports in that department.
This thread and at least some of your comments indicates that some folks feel like the Deus is some sort of revolutionary detector with lots of new expensive features that other detector manufacturers should clone. I haven't seen anything like that from what I have read about the detector. All of the new features seem to be status features that don't make the machine any more effective at finding targets.
So my point is that I would rather detector manufacturers invest their research and development efforts into making more machines like the Technetics T2 ($799) that is all about maximum performance, instead of the Deus (~$2700) which seems to justify much of its more expensive price used to make it look better while offering a similar level of performance.
I guess the bottom line as long as we have companies like First Texas and XP (and the others) around everyone can find machines to buy to suit their personal preferences - some can based their purchases on performance and others can spend a lot more on glamour features just like the difference between a Ford Mustang (let's make that a 427R model to be fair) and a Ferrari.
gmaxxpower
New member
well said alex74, and just to add yes you Americans have got some of the biggest
manufacturers backing you,now all you need is some history to dig lol
While im over here in the uk digging on my ROMAN sites full of nails i need the lightening
recovery speed that only XP provide.
Oh yes and just to add,i would take any reviews about the DEUS your reading with a pinch of salt
becasue there not even in the shops yet over here so i really cant see how your guy got his hands on one!
manufacturers backing you,now all you need is some history to dig lol
While im over here in the uk digging on my ROMAN sites full of nails i need the lightening
recovery speed that only XP provide.
Oh yes and just to add,i would take any reviews about the DEUS your reading with a pinch of salt
becasue there not even in the shops yet over here so i really cant see how your guy got his hands on one!
I can confirm that there have not been any end user Deus released from the factory until last Friday (27th November), so the previous posts should be read with a very large pich of salt, no-one in UK has had a Deus for more than 7-10 days apart from myself who has had one for a month.
silversmith
New member
If I understand this correctly, it doesn't have a wire wrapped around the pole. Since you have to have a pole anyway, what would be the advantage to not having a wire wrapped around it. Other than that I have seen little that it might do better that an American detector. Waz Up... 
silversmith
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That might be great for relic hunting, where you WANT to dig up nails at 19" Maybe it has a really good discriminator, although most deep seekers I've seen in the past, only discriminate about 6" and are all metals below that (Coin Magnum, Relic Magnum.) Time will tell.
I have had a Deus for 6-7 weeks now and its a very good detectors.
1 coil and 4 frequencies are at hand at the press of a button.
The fast deus is like greased lightning on recovery and I have taken it out to a done to death site where folks lived for 1700 years and all thats left is Iron????
Well thats until the Deus started to give a little chirp one in a while in between the ferrous nuts bolts nails and brackets etc.
Out from their hidden spots are coming silver and copper coins up tp 1750 years old also Roman brooches etc.
Buckles and strap ends 7-800 years old plus a number of items up to 400 years old.
I have used many detctors over the years but this one takes the gold medal for me and to crown it all it weighs less than 2 lbs.
Jerry.
1 coil and 4 frequencies are at hand at the press of a button.
The fast deus is like greased lightning on recovery and I have taken it out to a done to death site where folks lived for 1700 years and all thats left is Iron????
Well thats until the Deus started to give a little chirp one in a while in between the ferrous nuts bolts nails and brackets etc.
Out from their hidden spots are coming silver and copper coins up tp 1750 years old also Roman brooches etc.
Buckles and strap ends 7-800 years old plus a number of items up to 400 years old.
I have used many detctors over the years but this one takes the gold medal for me and to crown it all it weighs less than 2 lbs.
Jerry.
About the Deus. I'm an American who lives in Holland, and been searching for more than 25 years, starting off when someone gave ! me a detector, I think it was a Compass. Over the years I have had many brands and detectors, including Whites (xlt's, water pi's, TM80
, Minelab (RelicHawk,Sovereign), Tesoro (Relic Hawk, 3x Lobo's where 2 of them were improved by myself in two different ways), Silver uMax, Silver Sabre), Garrett (GTI 1500), and the past few years with XP detectors (GoldMaxx, GMP, Deus). After searching with the first GMaxx I traded in all my other detectors (saved one Lobo for reserve) for a GMaxxPower and have used that for about 4 years now. A few months ago I ordered an Deus, and had to wait quite some time before I received it. I traded in my reserve Lobo (with this detector I had found many many wonderful finds here in Europe) and have used it now twice. Both times I tried it out on one of the standard programs (Deus Plus) and on fields where I have not found much at all for the past few years with the GMP. I did find many coins and relics with the new Deus, so I am not going to cut it. You need to try it first to be able to comment about it. I am pleased with it in many ways, one because I am getting up there in the years and its very light! (I use the GMP on my hip and don't notice any difference with the Deus).
There are good points and points I would like to be improved. For instance, I have good headphones for my GMP, expensive but very sharp and clear. I have tried in the past two years about 4 brands of wireless headphones, and traded in or sold each one. Just not clear enough for me. The Deus is improved very much with the headphones, and I will accept them. I think though, if I am in a very clear area (such as places in England, out of the way and where I have found bronze age relics) I would still put on my own headphones and use them (there IS a connector for that, its a small banana plug and located on the remote control, which is very light on you hip if you want to use it that way. BTW, for those that don't know it yet, the search electronics are located in the coil, along with a sealed in battery. The coil is not very heavy either. To set the Deus up you use the remote control unit, or the headphones (there is a small led display there with controls). After you start the system up you can just put the headphones on and put the remote control away if you want. You don't need them anymore. You can mount the remote control on the stem, it has a magnet in the stem to hold it in place, or put it in the leather pouch on your belt, or in your pocket. Like I mention, once you set up which settings you will use you don't need the remote control anymore, you can turn it off. You can control everything with the headset. There is also a loud speaker in the remote control, so if you don't want to use the wireless headphones you can just use the remote control and loudspeaker and turn the headphones off.
There are many programs and settings on the Deus, since I have only used the one program and not changed any settings yet (just learning) I can't say how they work or what they do. I do like the detector. A new detector for me, before I become what I think is an expert with a detector at least a year has passed. When I do get to know what sounds to look for its easy. I have not used a display since my XLT days, and don't really need them. But now I have a display I have tried to associate the numbers with the finds I have found ( I dig every signal with a new detector until I am 100% sure that its iron or not a good find) and do enjoy guessing what the find is going to be before I get it out of the ground. Coins, well I don't really look at the readings at all. Just like the GM and the GMpower before the Deus, I know what the detector is telling me immediately, and know its a coin. The XP's know how to tell us when a coin is found, that is for sure.
So I am just an beginner with the Deus and will try to remember to write again over a few months. In September we go again (12th year running) with our club of 4 guys, and that will be interesting. 2 of us now have Deus, the other just loves it and has traded in his GMP for it. It is expensive, but all the detectors are expensive over here. Most of the time I buy my detectors in California when I visit there, they are very very cheap compared to here.
What would I change.
-The remote control. It attaches to the stem via an magnet (magnet in the stem, nickel plated iron in the control. My problem has been that if you are around trees or shrubs and happen to rotate and the remote hits a limb, it can fall off. Yes, there is an attachment cord (fast release) that is provided
for that case, but still its not nice. Of course if its a large limb its great, the remote won't get hurt (very much), but for small branches the magnet could have been stronger. Another time that it falls off is when I am digging a find and put the detector down to dig in tough soil, get the clump out and pick up the detector by the stem to see if the find is out of the hole, almost every time I bump it against my arm and it falls off. Also, even with the cord, I search quite a bit of the canals here in Holland, and many have a very steep side to them. Its scary to think what would happen if the remote would fall off even with the cord, I could not save it from swimming!
-The headphones. They are flimsy for sure, it took me some time to get used to them (mechanically). The volume and clearness is OK for sure, but I am used to good headphones, with which I do not hear outside noises (much that is) and can concentrate on the MD's sounds. With these I cannot shut off the sounds of tractors, airplanes, and my buddies singing when they detect (ha!). The control part HAS been made to detach from the headphones body, so I am pretty sure that XP will come with a normal good headset where you can insert the control into it. Otherwise I will build it into one of my spare headphones.
-When you initially turn on the Deus (first the remote) the remote asks if you want to use the loudspeaker, if you answer no it transmits to the headphones. Then you turn on the headphones. I would just change the default, no question, always use the headphones. If you do want to use the loudspeaker you could go to the menu on the remote control and turn it on (and the headphones out).
Anyway, this message is way too long. Sorry about that!
, Minelab (RelicHawk,Sovereign), Tesoro (Relic Hawk, 3x Lobo's where 2 of them were improved by myself in two different ways), Silver uMax, Silver Sabre), Garrett (GTI 1500), and the past few years with XP detectors (GoldMaxx, GMP, Deus). After searching with the first GMaxx I traded in all my other detectors (saved one Lobo for reserve) for a GMaxxPower and have used that for about 4 years now. A few months ago I ordered an Deus, and had to wait quite some time before I received it. I traded in my reserve Lobo (with this detector I had found many many wonderful finds here in Europe) and have used it now twice. Both times I tried it out on one of the standard programs (Deus Plus) and on fields where I have not found much at all for the past few years with the GMP. I did find many coins and relics with the new Deus, so I am not going to cut it. You need to try it first to be able to comment about it. I am pleased with it in many ways, one because I am getting up there in the years and its very light! (I use the GMP on my hip and don't notice any difference with the Deus). There are good points and points I would like to be improved. For instance, I have good headphones for my GMP, expensive but very sharp and clear. I have tried in the past two years about 4 brands of wireless headphones, and traded in or sold each one. Just not clear enough for me. The Deus is improved very much with the headphones, and I will accept them. I think though, if I am in a very clear area (such as places in England, out of the way and where I have found bronze age relics) I would still put on my own headphones and use them (there IS a connector for that, its a small banana plug and located on the remote control, which is very light on you hip if you want to use it that way. BTW, for those that don't know it yet, the search electronics are located in the coil, along with a sealed in battery. The coil is not very heavy either. To set the Deus up you use the remote control unit, or the headphones (there is a small led display there with controls). After you start the system up you can just put the headphones on and put the remote control away if you want. You don't need them anymore. You can mount the remote control on the stem, it has a magnet in the stem to hold it in place, or put it in the leather pouch on your belt, or in your pocket. Like I mention, once you set up which settings you will use you don't need the remote control anymore, you can turn it off. You can control everything with the headset. There is also a loud speaker in the remote control, so if you don't want to use the wireless headphones you can just use the remote control and loudspeaker and turn the headphones off.
There are many programs and settings on the Deus, since I have only used the one program and not changed any settings yet (just learning) I can't say how they work or what they do. I do like the detector. A new detector for me, before I become what I think is an expert with a detector at least a year has passed. When I do get to know what sounds to look for its easy. I have not used a display since my XLT days, and don't really need them. But now I have a display I have tried to associate the numbers with the finds I have found ( I dig every signal with a new detector until I am 100% sure that its iron or not a good find) and do enjoy guessing what the find is going to be before I get it out of the ground. Coins, well I don't really look at the readings at all. Just like the GM and the GMpower before the Deus, I know what the detector is telling me immediately, and know its a coin. The XP's know how to tell us when a coin is found, that is for sure.
So I am just an beginner with the Deus and will try to remember to write again over a few months. In September we go again (12th year running) with our club of 4 guys, and that will be interesting. 2 of us now have Deus, the other just loves it and has traded in his GMP for it. It is expensive, but all the detectors are expensive over here. Most of the time I buy my detectors in California when I visit there, they are very very cheap compared to here.
What would I change.
-The remote control. It attaches to the stem via an magnet (magnet in the stem, nickel plated iron in the control. My problem has been that if you are around trees or shrubs and happen to rotate and the remote hits a limb, it can fall off. Yes, there is an attachment cord (fast release) that is provided
for that case, but still its not nice. Of course if its a large limb its great, the remote won't get hurt (very much), but for small branches the magnet could have been stronger. Another time that it falls off is when I am digging a find and put the detector down to dig in tough soil, get the clump out and pick up the detector by the stem to see if the find is out of the hole, almost every time I bump it against my arm and it falls off. Also, even with the cord, I search quite a bit of the canals here in Holland, and many have a very steep side to them. Its scary to think what would happen if the remote would fall off even with the cord, I could not save it from swimming!
-The headphones. They are flimsy for sure, it took me some time to get used to them (mechanically). The volume and clearness is OK for sure, but I am used to good headphones, with which I do not hear outside noises (much that is) and can concentrate on the MD's sounds. With these I cannot shut off the sounds of tractors, airplanes, and my buddies singing when they detect (ha!). The control part HAS been made to detach from the headphones body, so I am pretty sure that XP will come with a normal good headset where you can insert the control into it. Otherwise I will build it into one of my spare headphones.
-When you initially turn on the Deus (first the remote) the remote asks if you want to use the loudspeaker, if you answer no it transmits to the headphones. Then you turn on the headphones. I would just change the default, no question, always use the headphones. If you do want to use the loudspeaker you could go to the menu on the remote control and turn it on (and the headphones out).
Anyway, this message is way too long. Sorry about that!