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The CTX3030

Sorry, just thought this was too funny. From the Sovereign/Excal forum...

stumppass said:
Well I guesss someone at Minelab is getting fired becaused that SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just wish this guy wouldn't hold back and sugar coat things and just come out and tell us what he really thinks. :biggrin:
 
Just being a waterproof Etrac with gps and a few upgrades to the electronics and interface will make it worth $2000-$2500, especially to someone that is upgrading from a much lower end machine.

The weight seems crazy though, when I first saw it that was the first thing I wondered about. But if you look at the video, the woman using it looks like she has a swingy thing sort of apparatus, maybe it comes with it?
 
I'm wondering if the current etrac (FBS) coils will work with the CTX or does FBS2 mean a bunch of new coils in various sizes?
 
According to the patent specs it's using the same FBS frequency range, so I suspect it will use the same coils. That is, if you can even change the coils on it? I'm betting the coil is hardwired to the machine like it is on an Excal, but I could be wrong.

Somebody made this good point elsewhere concerning the Xcal and it...

Jason in Enid said:
Need to stop thinking of this as "waterproof". It's not a "diving" detector like the Excal. It's water resistant to 10 feet, just like the AT-Pro. That means that hard pressure from waves could let water inside, just like the AT-Pro. This is more of "rain proof" and "splash proof", it's not going to be submerge proof.[/quote
 
has anyone got an old golf trolley perhaps we can wheel it about grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

WHY havent they just listened to their customers GUTTED
 
what if the Explorer is getting replaced ????
 
Anyone hear if the headphones are water resistant? any comments on its depth capabilities both in terms of detection depth and water depth it can be dove with? my guess is perhaps up to fifty feet??
 
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Critterhunter - I'd like to reply to some of your points. I should say I'm a bit mixed in what I feel, but the weight thing is what got me and I know they had to do that if they wanted it to be a water machine. I guess most of us would have liked an E-Trac replacement that was water resistant, a bit deeper, faster, etc. Perhaps that still happens. They probably are releasing their top machine first and then maybe we'll see more later?

Regarding your features comment. I had a V3i and though I felt comfy with it, it had way too many settings for most people and it did make you feel like "Did I have this set up as best I could?" upon leaving a site. But the GPS thing and Mapping thing aren't really the same. I bet the base features (settings) are like the E-Trac, and that don't get any easier. I mean you can use the E-Trac right out of the box and get deep. Fine tuning doesn't add much from what I have seen, read and tested. The GPS might be good for certain people and I agree, it is not that fine "accurate" to military reasons. But, for guys that hunt fields, perhaps it's enough in the sense of overall areas. I am not really disagreeing with you on this point. The mapping thing could be nice for prospectors (but this machine is not great on gold I'm assuming) and people who like to hunt away from crowds. Sort of like a bonus I think.

Is BBS really deeper than FBS? What is the drawback, less discrimination capabilities? (I have to read the paper from Candy - it's downloaded ;-)
Never doubt what improvements can be made on technology. Look at the Blisstools depth and it is just VLF. There looks to be a VERY LARGE battery on the back of the unit. If so, why? I say it's for more than the GPS and color screen. I think they are pumping more energy into the unit to max out the depth. Maybe they at least give you that option - like a Tx Boost or the like.

Regarding processing speed - It is much more than how fast you can swing the coil. It has a lot to do with separation - though I know we are a bit limited by the way Minelab process the signals differently. I imagine Minelab got better separation by doing this yet remaining within their time domain (or whatever you call it) way of processing the signals.

Regarding your unmasking comment - I'd just say see the processing speed comment. We really don't know. Remember, they are a large company, very unlike the other detecting companies. They have made A LOT OF MONEY from their gold machines and government contracts. I think they also have some pride. I think the technology from their can easily be integrated here. Just speculation, but seems pretty obvious to share technology across platforms. (I know the car companies do the same. It is just more cost effective.)

Hey, I enjoyed reading your mini book. For sure it's an exciting time when a field leader comes out with a new machine. Lots of wishes, complaints, speculations, etc. :cheers:
 
They look like the koss that come with the E-Trac so no. Not water proof or resistant. With a rating of 10f I am pretty sure it's not meant to dive with.
 
I would NOT say for sure that for some reason BBS is deeper than FBS like they hinted that tech article implies. I would say though that FBS or BBS can be just as deep or deeper than each other based on which machine is using a bigger coil. Minelab has VLF pretty much maxed out in terms of the laws of physics where the only real easy to way increase depth is by a bigger coil. You can't create a bigger detection field unless you either use a larger coil or you increase the voltage to the coil. Increasing the voltage has it's issues with ground glare and other factors, so that's why it's not adjustable on most machines and is already maxed out to what still shows gains in depths. Some Sovereign guys used an amp that increased the voltage to the TX winding in the coil and some of them found that due to their minerals it actually gave them less depth or was unuseable.

As far as separation goes, again...That's a laws of physics thing. The coil detection field can't go around corners or see underneath the trash to find the coin, and the first target it hits in effect "bursts" the detection field in that it warps around and interacts with that target and can't travel deeper to reach the still deeper coin being hidden by it. Where separation really counts is in how sharp the detection field is. Something like an SEF 12x10 has a very tight and comprssed field in the left/right perspective. The key is being able to light up the coin while not the trash next to it. Recovery speed is overrated for that reason IMHO. All faster recovery means is the ability to swing faster and have less chance of missing targets. Ask yourself this...Would you rather have a fast machine with a blunt detection field or a slow machine with a super sharp detection field? So long as you keep your sweep speed the proper slow enough speed for the machine's recovery speed abilities then unmasking is not an issue. It's the coil's field that is key.
 
Blast from the past......!
 
As you can see from the dates of the posts, they were all made well before the May 28 date of the CTX release to the public. Based on reports and finds that have been shown (not everyone actually posts there finds) the CTX is proving to be a very productive detector and has only been on the market for 10 months. It is expensive, and 5 lbs is 5 lbs, but it certainly doesn't feel like it with the balance. I'm not a young man, but I can use this detector WAY longer without the fatigue that I had when using my Explorer or E-Trac. I'm not knocking those detectors, since they are very good detectors as well. I have found that the various new features on the CTX, including the GPS and XChange2 are very helpful to me, as I hunt many hours in open fields that were old homesteads, fairgrounds, etc. The GPS has consistently taken me to 10 feet or less to a FP or WP location that I wanted to return to. The CTX may not be for everyone, but I have not regretted my purchase. The last 2-3 months of last year, I recovered over 30 "keeper" finds in a farm field that had been a racetrack in the late 1800s. This is a site that, with my old machine, I was only recovering an occasional target. Maybe the substantial increase in "keepers" was just luck, or maybe not...........Good luck to all, regardless of the detector you use, it's all about what works for you.......HH
 
Hi Ray. I have been very reluctant to give up my E-trac. Are you implying that there isn't much real benefit to the CTX for the money? I have been on the sewsaw about it. My E-trac has been really good to me. I always find great stuff!
 
After using mine for several months I very much prefer it over the E-Trac.The much faster recovery speed alone is worth the difference for me as many of my sites are very trashy.The small coil and the much improved speed make it much better in those sites than the E-Trac was even with the great little Sunray X-5 coil.
 
Lipservice said:
Yup... this pig weighs TWICE what the Deus weighs in at!
I'm 64 years old, and the ETrac is a killer on my arm... this weighs even more.
Obviously not chest or hip mountable. Minelab must not listen to it's customers... look how many have complained
about the ETrac's weight over the last couple years.
I'm 64 years old and bought the CTX when it first came out. I also bought the 17"x13" coil when it became available for me to purchase. I've gone to the beach and swung the CTX with the big coil for 4-5 hours without any arm trouble OR swingy thingy. I'm not saying it's not somewhat heavy, but, at least for me, it's not an arm killer. I used my e-trac with the 15" WOT coil before I got the CTX and it seemed like an arm killer to me. More so than the CTX with the big coil. Not trying to start a war about opinion's on the weight of the CTX, this is just my take about the weight.
 
I, too, have a lot of trashy sites and wondered what difference a CTX might make. There are few site I have been digging that have light trash, but the targets are deep (Wheaties at 8"). I'm also wondering what difference a CTX might make in cases like that. Would it pick out deeper targets I'm missing with the E-trac? And, how deep is too deep to dig when you're digging in someone's yard?
 
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