Dahut, I got mine for $30-it was a Wally World version. Before that I owned two others and ruined them trying to tinker with them. Back then they didn't have the coated PC boards and the atmospheric controlled facilities they now have. You can also look thru garage sales as the instructions never told how to properly set the tone control and the detectors were quite unpopular with newbies because they just didn't or couldn't figure out how to set them. It's really easy. Just take a nickel, wave it in front of the coil with the disc control near the "off" setting, and rotate it right till the low tone is the only tone you hear-it will go from high to mixed to low. You're set! By the way, you can turn the disc off and it's in a/m mode for tot lots! The low end disc is at bottle cap reject and small foil kinda gives a weak or scratchy signal and many experienced users pass these by. Now it's not an XLT or F70 by any means, but dang it's a winner for it's purpose. I keep mine in the back seat of the car at all times 'cause if it gets too hot or something I've only lost a few bucks, but I have something at a moment's notice.
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The best "trash searching" metal detector?
- Thread starter wayne_etc
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Ill keep my eye out for one. Maybe I can find one on Craigslist. Easy is nice, after all, and I do love to tinker with these things.slingshot said:
Well, by now my motto is pretty clear: "Get off your wallet!"
You can't get something for nothing, unless pure luck is on your side. It happens, to be sure, but planning and knowledge will ususlaly carry the day. Generally, I suggest to people that they spend $300 or more on a new detector. You get far more for this money than simply "finding stuff" - it is a value equation, after all.
But it is also true that good things can be found in places we don't always expect. There is a little duality at work here.
While I do use an F70 and will soon swing another XLT, I also have an Ace 250. I don't believe it is the ultimate detector, like some do, but it has it's good points. Some pretty surprising ones, in fact, if given a chance.
So I'm always open to trying something new. I've never liked the construction of the BH's I've seen, what my dad would've called "cheapplasticjunk."
But for the low entry fee, why not have a whirl?
For a metered machine the Whites ID, IDX or IDX Pro with Standard 8 inch coil. If it has Mr. Bills mods. even better. Slow sweep and fast response with good depth and excellent iron discrimination. Non metered machine the Minelab Musky XS, Colt or Advantage with standard 7 1/4 inch DD coil. Sweep it fast or slow, great iron discrimination, extremely good depth in bad ground and you can crank the discrimination up to max to cherry pick the silver coins and not loose depth.
Correctamundo. I wasn't going to really get involved too deeply in this, but I'll take my Tracker if I had to live by only one detector. Now I know that is a pretty stout statement, but all things considered and the fact that I've gotten so used to it's language I'm very crazy about it and I have found coins in the 6" range.Elton said:
I also like both the F75 and the T2 with the stock coiol in trash but the 5" makes them better. I also like the E-TRAC with the stock coil in trash, it seperates very well. I usually use it in ferrous/2 tones. It runs more stable that way with hardly any falsing and will hit, if "iffy".. the goodies in iron and trash but you have to learn what it is telling you.
J
J
I think one thing about the T2/F75 that got it this bad rap for chatter is the harshness of the tones. ML tones are sort of musical and pleasing to the ear... T2 and F75 tones are annoying by comparison. If someone is used to something like a Sovereign or a Tejon and they go to a T2/F75 they may well think something is wrong because they will now be hearing everything in the ground including some of the ground... most other detectors do not give this much information. Once you get used to it though... it is good!
Even if you set a T2/F75 up so that it is chattering, (see Bill Ladds video), you can hear the "hits" in the chatter. It can be fatiguing to the ears though.
I bought my T2 when it first came out in a group buy from FT for a paid hunt... I had heard that it was a noisy machine and had decided to accept that fact and learn it... but two weeks in I was in doubt. I was making finds but I simply could not get it to be quiet. I finally called FT. The first thing they said was to check the cable connection, to see if it was tight at the control pad... DOH!!! it was loose and immediately went quiet when I tightened it. I guess after that two weeks I was up to anything... laff.
Chatter... what chatter?
J
Even if you set a T2/F75 up so that it is chattering, (see Bill Ladds video), you can hear the "hits" in the chatter. It can be fatiguing to the ears though.
I bought my T2 when it first came out in a group buy from FT for a paid hunt... I had heard that it was a noisy machine and had decided to accept that fact and learn it... but two weeks in I was in doubt. I was making finds but I simply could not get it to be quiet. I finally called FT. The first thing they said was to check the cable connection, to see if it was tight at the control pad... DOH!!! it was loose and immediately went quiet when I tightened it. I guess after that two weeks I was up to anything... laff.
Chatter... what chatter?
J
SteveP(NH)
New member
jbow said:
The tones on the T2/F75 platform have to be some of the harshest tones that any machine makes and the 13 Khz frequency along with a really tight coil really does make anything at all, no matter how small, fire off especially if you are running the sens high. I am constantly amazed at how deep I find bird shot and .22 bullets (along with the good stuff) with my T2.
Also as you mentioned you can set the discrimination down into the ground mineral range with the T2. A setting of 10 is the bottom of the iron range so if you set the discrimination at anything below 10 you are going to be hearing some ground mineralization though you do get the benefit of the boost mode kicking in below 5.
The Sovereign in very trash laiden parks with the 180 meter is the best cherry picker I've used.I wouldn't use the Sovereign around big iron targets but in heavy trash parks with the help of the 180 meter and tones its unbeatable.Good Luck Ron
NiagracountyNY
New member
I have Great results in Heavy trash with my E-Trac..Also have great results going behind all my buddies picking up the coins they missed lol ..For High trash,deep targets..Minelab really does well..Ive not had the plesure of trying alot of those machines mentioned above so I cannot compare each machine.Good luck with your results.
Yes, the TRASHORO detector (w/small coil) is definitely a "good 'un"-----and then there's the Etrac (w/ 6X8 SEF or 6" Exellerator)-----and then there's the IDX Pro (w/Mr. Bill mods & 5.3 coil)-----and then there's------OH MAN, SHUT UP DEL!!!---So much ground , so many good detectors (& coils) & SO LITTLE TIME! 
----------Del
----------DelEven though you mention stock coil, almost any detector will do better in trashy spots with a smaller coil so I would say get
a small coil for your detector of choice to start with and see how it does for you.
Other than that, you will get as many answers as there are metal detector models out there.
I know what I like but it may not work as well for someone else because my ground conditions are different than theirs.
Plus personal preferences come into play.
a small coil for your detector of choice to start with and see how it does for you.
Other than that, you will get as many answers as there are metal detector models out there.
I know what I like but it may not work as well for someone else because my ground conditions are different than theirs.
Plus personal preferences come into play.
Agree with Steve
I hunt in some trashy areas a good bit and the small coils are typically my 1st option with whatever detector I'm swinging at the time to help minimize the number of targets compared to large coils.
Sometimes I'll tweak down the detector settings as needed and try not to over discriminate. Other times I'll go all metal and listen to as many individual targets as possible.
Another is the small coils just slow me down (I'm slow anyways) or keeps me at a slow working pace.
I hunt in some trashy areas a good bit and the small coils are typically my 1st option with whatever detector I'm swinging at the time to help minimize the number of targets compared to large coils.
Sometimes I'll tweak down the detector settings as needed and try not to over discriminate. Other times I'll go all metal and listen to as many individual targets as possible.
Another is the small coils just slow me down (I'm slow anyways) or keeps me at a slow working pace.
TURNMASTER
Active member
If I upgrade to a new machine for mentioned purpose it will likely be one of the Minelabs mentioned above. Sov gt. , Safari, Explorer, probably can't afford the Etrak though.
Help us out
HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.
We have seen sugustions that range from $50 to $1500. If you can afford an Etrak you can pop for a lighter machine with a 2nd or 3rd coil.
Gook Luck
Jeff
Help us out
HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.
We have seen sugustions that range from $50 to $1500. If you can afford an Etrak you can pop for a lighter machine with a 2nd or 3rd coil.
Gook Luck
Jeff
can'tremember said:
I'm suprised at comments like this - especially if the recommendation is to use the 11" DD. Maybe your trashy environments are different than my trashy ones
It's true that you can increase the discimination on the F75 and decrease the gain and obtain a quietER detector (even under power lines haha) but both significantly effect depth. Anyone who's hunted with the F75 has found that it's a bit of a metal detecting anomaly because it does better in trash the hotter you set it. The tight footprint of the eliptical DD and the slower swing speed required because of the higher gain allow you to do better in trash. The lower the gain the faster you have to swing to get depth (easy to demonstrate to yourself in air tests) - unfortunately the faster you swing the more likely the "good" targets become part of the noise of the trash. Even if you use your Jedi detecting powers and pick that good target amongst the trash and EMI noise, you're so worn out from the mess of tones (and they are the MOST abrasive tones of any manufacturer), you're tired of detecting in 2 hours.
If you "crank it up" to allow a slower swing speed and still get some depth you become more susceptible to EMI (as well as a propensity to detect the smallest bits of trash IE: flecks of foil, earring backs, jewelers screws, etc. - causing even more noise).
I can slow way down (1/5 of the speed) with an Explorer and pick through the trash with the Pro coil while not losing any depth. You can wiggle the coil over a 10" coin and still get a signal in trash. That's not possible with the F75 because a fast swing speed is needed - AND the TID is only accurate with a full pass of the coil in trash.
Now with the 4X6 (and probably the 5" DD), you can do amazing things in the same trashy environment. I've found the 4X6 allows you to max out the settings in areas where you significantly lower those same settings with the 11" DD. You can easily get 8" with it and in trash.
Wayne - if you're seriously looking for a detector to use in trash then I'd recommend hooking up with a club and trying a few. If you were just curious - then you're probably no closer to an answer than when you posted the question
