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Thanks a lot to the Stupid Lazy Moron who dug up Moran KS park with a shovel and left holes open this summer :ranting:

Ray I am well known In Moran, Ks And happen to no the mayor and city council.
As you know the city is less than 500. And My plan was to go to one of
there meetings and see if thay would issue a permit. If i could prove to them
the proper way to retrieve a coin. I have hunted and dug coin,s from this park
sence 1978. I lived in moran most all my life. But moved 10 miles to the west.
Will let you know how things come out. Don Higinbotham Digadime69
 
mudpuppy said:
I don't know boys...I bet we all are getting tired of the new rules invading every outdoor sport, from fishing to hunting and so on...I'm sure we all leave no trace, for that's just how we were brought up, with a general respect for everything. Who'da thought there would come a time when a Free Man cant dig a hole in the earth on public lands?

I just want to find some metal and be left alone! The best thing is to hunt when, where, and how ever you want and just not let anyone see you do it.

Welcome to modern society. When we let politicians tell us what we can eat, drink, what kind of car we can drive, and on and on, all because they think they are smarter than us and thus we should be led by the nose and our money spent in fashions they feel worthy, then we get what we deserve to get I guess.

There's a line from that great movie Shaw Shank Redemption, in which he says something like "all you do is write rules and use fancy words so you can wear a fancy suit and get paid for it." I'm highly paraphrasing here but that's the gist of what he was saying. In other words, too many chefs in the kitchen and not enough plain old cooks. Or, as another way to put it, too much dead weight at the top of the tree. Do-gooders who think they know better than us "peasants" are drawn to government, where they can rule over us minions as the mindless fools they think we are. You know the types, like the nosey neighbor who's always telling you how you should mow your lawn or that you need to clean out your gutters.

Way I see it it ain't no body's business if I want to drink a huge pop, eat popcorn cooked in animal fat and topped with real butter (did you know they ruined the movie popcorn because of this...Who is going to a movie to eat healthy anyway?), and be able to live in a country where it's founding ideals are what made it great. Why we would want to replace all that with proven failure is beyond me. Well, I know why, so they can have that good paying job and wear that fancy suit. Long as we keep electing people with that mindset then look for more parks and other public lands to be off limits. After all, we might be killing some endangered grub with our diggers or something, being the stupid minions we are...:biggrin:

I'll leave everbody with this final thought...There's an old saying, that the road to destruction is paved with the "good intentions" of government. We should all remember that the next time we vote in some new pet project of ours that we feel is a good idea to force onto others. That's where it all begins, and in the end we'll find that perfect and safe place we were trying to build ends up being a place with prison bars on the windows...
 
I've seen this time and again. Even on the forums from seasoned detectorists who do not know the proper way to retrieve a target. You see their pictures of a huge hole,a full circle of turf cut out and with a mountain of dirt sloppily tossed on the grass proudly showing off the coin that they DUG!!!! You can bet that when they cover the hole it is a sloppy mess. Thereby ruining the site for everyone else who cares.
The proper way is to pinpoint correctly, cut a small horseshoe flap, fold it over with a few inches of dirt intact. Spread out a towel and scoop the dirt onto it. Retrieve coin, Pour dirt back into hole, tamp down with end of trowel, fold the flap back, press down and pinch the sides together. Step on it and You will not even know a dig took place.
 
Great thread, i was lucky enough to run into an older guy in the park when I first started detecting that told me if I used a screwdriver to dig with and got good with it, that would be all I would need to dig. He was right for targets to three inches or 4 I can dig a small hole and pull the target out.. Any deeper I use a small digger. Rarely do I need the digger. I wish there was a site that every new detector owner could visit or had to visit to learn proper target recovery and filling in holes. Just wishful thinking I guess.
 
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The sign that catches my attention is the bottom center US National Park Service sign. Just a wild guess but maybe the City accepted some Federal support. There is no such thing as Federal metal detecting Law in the US Code the last I checked but the Park Service for instance likes to invoke Acts like the Antiquities Act to prosecute detectorist and it just could be, there are US Park Service strings attached to this park now. Just a guess, could be another reason.

Out here in the West on Public Federal Lands, you have to be real careful detecting with all the Federals and citizen Archaeologist snooping around.
 
Guilty till proven innocent...

:rant:
 
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