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Testing the Racer 5x10 and the Deus 9"

Interesting results. Thanks for posting.

Did they also hit the same for smaller targets? All your photos are pretty big targets.

What settings were you using for the Racer? And what mode?
(And for the Deus, too, although I don't have the experience with it to
understand them well, but my buddy has one and we sometimes compare
signals before we dig.)
 
I have found flat buttons and mini balls with both size doesn't matter on the racer two tone gain at about 59 audio tone at five
The dues gain at about 75, TX power at 1 recovery at 4, tone at two, disc at about 6.5, silencer at -1
 
Low-Boy/LCPM said:

On the Racer:
• two tone
• gain at about 59
• audio tone at five

The Dues:
• gain at about 75
• TX power at 1
• recovery at 4
• tone at two
• disc at about 6.5
• silencer at -1
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Well, I like 'simple' and that's just one reason the Racer is a nice 'fit' in my arsenal.

I also like a detector a manufacturer makes a smaller-size coil for to better handle dense trash environments, which is another good reason the Racer is a nice 'fit' in my arsenal for the types of sites I hunt.

As for search coils and the detectors they are made for, the stock 7X11 DD is an 'OK' performing search coil, but I liked the 5.[size=small]5[/size]X10 DD a little more for balance and feel, and I also noted there was very little difference in detection depth between the two in the open areas I hunted with them to compare. If I want 'depth' it is often when seeking a larger-size target, and in those cases I opt for a larger-than-standard coil.

In most cases I have searched for over five decades now, the smaller-size targets are most often associated with sites that also have an abundance of smaller-size, or even larger-size, unwanted targets ... most often referred to as trash or junk. To better deal with what we might more commonly encounter, I prefer a smaller-size search coil and 'depth,' although desired at times, is secondary to having functional performance and an ability to best handle the challenges at hand.

If a hunt site is less trashy, the 5.[size=small]5[/size]X10 or 7X11 coils make a great tool ... take your pick ... but if I really want more depth, I go for more coil.

Just my thoughts,

Monte
 
The racer is becoming a unit that I can't leave home without it
 
I wasn't impressed with the Racer small coil. I have a video where I tested the E-Trac, stock coil, and the Racer with both stock and OOR coil on what turned out to be an 8" wheat. The small coil didn't see anything.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q24ohzrwI0&index=4&list=PLfJZHEpNVSQU5obUSJ_lKXSuX4vVe1jKG[/video]
 
Yeah it is not so much or depth but for trash and iron hunting
 
I just got to call you out on this. Was this a planted coin or a found coin not yet dug up makes a big difference. So many variables here I don't even know where to begin.

I wasn't impressed with you using a 13" Ultimate coil on the Etrac saying stock coil and then not knowing what settings were used on it. Video says 10" wheatie and this post says 8" wheatie ??

Then what disc and what gain/sens setting was used on the Racer comparing the SMALL coil and the stock coil to the Etrac with that 13" aftermarket Ultimate coil??

How about using the stock Etrac 11" PRO coil and a small 5"-6" coil on it and what the settings are, manual sens or AUTO+3 sens, Trash HIGH or Trash LOW and Ground Difficult or not, Volume Gain setting, etc. these all come into play here???

OH I have both detectors too and wouldn't presume to compare a small coil to a large coil. Different sizes for different uses and on different machines no less. I don't get anything out of comparisons like this maybe to the uninformed they can draw a conclusion like you have saying you're unimpressed with the small coil on one machine compared to a large coil on a different machine in the detection of a deep target.

I just got to laugh at this. Take the Etrac and the Racer both with small 5" coils and do a comparison on that wheatie and tell us what the settings are on both and we'll be impressed then and satisfied with the results. Can't compare apples to oranges it's not right.
 
Oh and I should stand on one leg holding the E-Trac at a 45° and when using the Racer bend at the waist and keep a straight elbow.

Give me a break. That's as bad a the guy claiming I had the Tesoro Compadre maladjusted when video I did was favorable. The coin was in the wild. The setting were what I used when I hunt. Get over it the 5" coil doesn't magically give you any better depth than the 5" of any other detector DUH! All I did was shoot a video which shows just what one would expect from any detector.

Unless you're watching a different video, mine say "Testing the Racer with both coils and E-Trac on a 8" wheat"

Just like the Conpadre. People make unrealistic claims that a 5: coil can defy logic and get amazing depth, then when you post a video showing the BS they change their tune and start whining about it not being fair because it's a smaller coil.

Yea, Unfortunately I am entitled to my own opinion. My opinion is the Racer is a fine machine for the money and the 5" coil works just like a 5" coil should. I saw no evidence that the 5" coil had some magical properties that allowed it to get the same depth as bigger coils. I simply did a video to show my results.

Sorry but I call'em like I see'em. Some people don't want to see the truth.
 
Jack on A Few Good Men.. "You cant handle the truth" lol so the small coil was a code red?? Well my opinion.. Small coil on racer is amazing.. Deeper than larger coils in dense iron.. Or dense trash.. Alot of places i hunt have that.. My F70 was able to see good targets that the etrac i had could not see at all..using similar sized coils. The racer does extremely well seeing good targets as well.. Has fantastic audio and very fast.. The new machines coming out are just getting better at seeing the masked goodies.. Plain and simple.. If your trying to make a 5" coil see what a 11" coil sees in a trashless area then its a waste of time.. But find a severely nail infested yard and take etrac with 11" coil and any machine with 5" coil and we all know the 5" coil wins..
 
I would think the racer and the small coil won't hit that target at 8" the 5x10 should and did you ground bal? And what was your gain on the racer and what tone. The small coil is made for high trash and or iron where you are not going for depth..once you clean some of the iron out of the ground you maybe able to use a larger coil....there is the trade off..but the 5x10 is the best of both worlds
 
WOW a bit touchy aren't we. No one I know of said the 5" coil was going to go as deep as a larger coil and no one's making special magical claims just because it is 5"coil??? But seeing something and not knowing what/how it was set up is another thing.
All I've seen anyone say is it will get the job done in a target/trash/iron rich environment and gets good depth doing so.

Basstrackerman's got it right. I agree with what he stated.

If someone also called you out on another video comparison maybe YOU need to rethink what your doing but I guess all of us are wrong and don't want to see the truth.
I'm so done with this and some of the other dumb statements/comments I read and see all over this website. I guess I'll not respond or help anyone anymore as I can't handle the supposed truth. I'm out of here..
 
Southwind said:
I wasn't impressed with the Racer small coil. I have a video where I tested the E-Trac, stock coil, and the Racer with both stock and OOR coil on what turned out to be an 8" wheat. The small coil didn't see anything.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q24ohzrwI0&index=4&list=PLfJZHEpNVSQU5obUSJ_lKXSuX4vVe1jKG[/video]
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A 5" coil vs a 13" coil....yeah that's apples to apples....:pinnochio

It makes a huge difference what settings are being used on the Racer (as of course it would on the minelab). If you're deep coin hunting, the gain needs to be maxed out, or of it'll never hit that coin, even with the 11" DD. For deep coin hunting I run my Racer @ 98 gain, 0 disc, and 3 tone, and I've found MANY 8" deep coins with the 5" coil on my Racer in moderatly mineralized soil.
 
Southwind said:
Oh and I should stand on one leg holding the E-Trac at a 45° and when using the Racer bend at the waist and keep a straight elbow.

Give me a break. That's as bad a the guy claiming I had the Tesoro Compadre maladjusted when video I did was favorable. The coin was in the wild. The setting were what I used when I hunt. Get over it the 5" coil doesn't magically give you any better depth than the 5" of any other detector DUH! All I did was shoot a video which shows just what one would expect from any detector.

Unless you're watching a different video, mine say "Testing the Racer with both coils and E-Trac on a 8" wheat"

Just like the Conpadre. People make unrealistic claims that a 5: coil can defy logic and get amazing depth, then when you post a video showing the BS they change their tune and start whining about it not being fair because it's a smaller coil.

Yea, Unfortunately I am entitled to my own opinion. My opinion is the Racer is a fine machine for the money and the 5" coil works just like a 5" coil should. I saw no evidence that the 5" coil had some magical properties that allowed it to get the same depth as bigger coils. I simply did a video to show my results.

Sorry but I call'em like I see'em. Some people don't want to see the truth.
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Southwind,
Who ever said the 5" coil using Racer is as deep as a 7x11" coil or even an etrac with stock coil????
Your problem is you do videos, and never talk about settings. And when someone inquires you jump on your high horse and get defensive.

Something else you've said I have trouble with. "The first impression a detector gives me is the "one". I've sold and bought back many, and still the first impression (performance) is the "one".

If this indeed is the case, why after selling, DO you buy back then???????
 
You know on second thought, let everyone run out and buy your Racer then come back and lets see the review. Let the truth be told by others.

Of course, you might have to go to somewhere besides the Makro forum to find that truth. Oh wait, it's already out there!

The Racer is a fine detector for the money. Just lke the Compadre and AT Pro. End of story period.
 
I realize you must be much better at anylizing and comparing detectors then this fellow that you replied too in an earlier post but it could be the same type deal. He was giving his opinion on the MXT and you quickly jumped all over him. I am not saying your right or you are wrong or that he right or wrong but it does make think how many people pay attention to how a detector performs for someone and there style of hunting. If we don't agree we think they are wrong. I would never spend my money on a detector because of a video or someone's tests. I have owned most and some I like and some I don't but they all find metal. Maybe that's why I choose to keep my opinions to myself..
This is your post Southwind


No it isn't a fair comparison. Not even close. I've owned both and even without having owned both I can say this comparison smells.

How long have you been using your MXT? And by your own admission you've used the CTX 6 times? My point is, I used the Whites DFX for 8 years so needless to say I was very proficient with it. I could get depth the new or even average DFX user could never expect. Not thinking I used to post how my DFX got just as deep as my E-Trac I had just purchased. OK, now we all know that is a ridiculous statement, but I felt it was true only because I had the experience to get the very best depth out of the DFX and no experience to get the depth out of the E-Trac. Having used the E-Trac for 6 years now I realize just how stupid my comparison was.

Don't get me wrong, the MXT is a fine detector, but it isn't even in the same league as the CTX and that is why you're getting hammered about your comparison. How about you put that CTX in the hands of someone experienced and you take the MXT and let us all see a video comparison? Not going to happen I'm sure.

By the way, I thought my DFX was the better detector over the MXT. The MXT was a tad deeper but the target ID wasn't near as accurate. I got rid of the MXT after a couple seasons because I used my DFX instead. I have been thinking about getting a MXT Pro as a backup though.


Detectors used: E-Trac, AT Pro, DFX, MXT, ADS 4
Past years: XP Deus, CTX 3030, V3i, Explorer SE Pro, F75 LTD, DFX, AT Pro, Racer, X-Terra 70, XLT, Eagle Spectrum, Sovereign GT, Omega 8000, Silver uMax, Compadre 5.7 & 8", ADS 7, Freedom 1, 2 & 3, Mayan, Inca, Coinmaster
The real treasure is in the hunt...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2015 06:20AM by Southwind.

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Good point shortcut. I should have used "in my opinion" more often. I usually do if you look at most my posts. I should have said in my opinion it smells.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Only difference being, when I post a video to back up my "opinion" I see it different than someone just spouting off at the thread.

I just found it a bit ridiculous comparison of the CTX to the MXT. I mean both are great detectors, in my opinion, but not even in the same class.

It's like my videos of the Compadre. I had one post that the guy accused me of not having the Compadre adjusted right because he didn't like the results. One freaking knob and I had it adjusted wrong. I had it set at the lower end of iron. If I had to hunt in all-metal I wouldn't be hunting.
 
Well my opinion.. Small coil on racer is amazing.. Deeper than larger coils in dense iron.. Or dense trash.. Alot of places i hunt have that.. My F70 was able to see good targets that the etrac i had could not see at all..using similar sized coils. The racer does extremely well seeing good targets as well..
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Talk is cheap my friend and opinions are only that without a video to back it up. Of course that is just my opinion.

I realize I'm wasting my time posting my honest opinion that shows the Racer is a negative view on a Makro forum, but most others know where I'm coming from. I'm not the only one that has been there, done that.
 
YAWN ;) the person and detector have to match or they wont find much.. If you click with an ace 250 and find many cool finds does not mean you will find same kind of goodies if you upgrade to another detector. Some people use an etrac for a year and say heavy slow bad screen bad balanced machine and hate it.. Others , like southwinded ;) say its greatest since sliced bread.. It was ok for me.. Not great but ok.. I have better luck with f75/f70/mxt pro style.. I hear better with those.. Videos mean absolutely nothing.. Unless your showing a malfunction of a machine.. We all can make videos of machines bettering another machine.. No matter the machines.. But its really what a person hears which determines why they use a detector..you can learn settings but its hard to learn the tones when all people hear tones different.. I do.. Some machines may tell you a good target is there but if my ears dont hear it then target gets passed.. This is all a bunch of BS but its my opinion lol.
 
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