Testing the 1.10 Beta Test Versions

[oldkoot]

This is a response I gave to someone on another site concerning the Beta 1.10 test versions

I have been testing the 1.10 beta test version installed both Beta 1.10.1 and 1.10.2 I am not seeing the same thing as you, in fact I have been able to push the sensitivity up quite a few notches since installing both Beta versions

areas I once could only push the sensitivity to 15-19 I am now able to run 26-27, the ground balance on my Legend seems more stable then what it is in 1.09 (which was one of my biggest complaints) With the Legend in other versions, also I am finding the TIDs seem much more stable and the depth has increased for me, on the ground I detect, The tones also seem even more cleaner than in previous versions,even though the tones were good they just seem better to me.

I am really liking this new 1.10 soon to be 1.11 version, my hopes are with some seeing what you are that reports to the provided email does not dumb the Legend down like they did with the Simplex from my understanding 2.77 was a good version on the Simplex and because of unstable TIDs that people reported that is why 2.78 came out everyone I have chatted with says the 2.77 was a deeper version, I do not know if this is the actual case but it is what simplex users have told me, I just hope Nokta does not do this with the Legend.

I am fortunate enough to have two Legends to allow me to do comparisons between two different versions, so I am running one with the 1.09 and the other with the Beta test version's 1.10, 1.09 is a good version but I am finding 1.10 to be even better

These are my opinions, (on the ground I detect), But others may see something totally different on the ground they detect

 

[Odanscoils]

This is a response I gave to someone on another site concerning the Beta 1.10 test versions

I have been testing the 1.10 beta test version installed both Beta 1.10.1 and 1.10.2 I am not seeing the same thing as you, in fact I have been able to push the sensitivity up quite a few notches since installing both Beta versions

areas I once could only push the sensitivity to 15-19 I am now able to run 26-27, the ground balance on my Legend seems more stable then what it is in 1.09 (which was one of my biggest complaints) With the Legend in other versions, also I am finding the TIDs seem much more stable and the depth has increased for me, on the ground I detect, The tones also seem even more cleaner than in previous versions,even though the tones were good they just seem better to me.

I am really liking this new 1.10 soon to be 1.11 version, my hopes are with some seeing what you are that reports to the provided email does not dumb the Legend down like they did with the Simplex from my understanding 2.77 was a good version on the Simplex and because of unstable TIDs that people reported that is why 2.78 came out everyone I have chatted with says the 2.77 was a deeper version, I do not know if this is the actual case but it is what simplex users have told me, I just hope Nokta does not do this with the Legend.

I am fortunate enough to have two Legends to allow me to do comparisons between two different versions, so I am running one with the 1.09 and the other with the Beta test version's 1.10, 1.09 is a good version but I am finding 1.10 to be even better

These are my opinions, (on the ground I detect), But others may see something totally different on the ground they detect

Thanks Ollkoot. Great info.
Yes. Anyone complaining should note all conditions. Like their ground balance. Even weather. Wet,dry ground. As much info as possible to give a good report others can understand.

 

[jtalley007]

This is a response I gave to someone on another site concerning the Beta 1.10 test versions

I have been testing the 1.10 beta test version installed both Beta 1.10.1 and 1.10.2 I am not seeing the same thing as you, in fact I have been able to push the sensitivity up quite a few notches since installing both Beta versions

areas I once could only push the sensitivity to 15-19 I am now able to run 26-27, the ground balance on my Legend seems more stable then what it is in 1.09 (which was one of my biggest complaints) With the Legend in other versions, also I am finding the TIDs seem much more stable and the depth has increased for me, on the ground I detect, The tones also seem even more cleaner than in previous versions,even though the tones were good they just seem better to me.

I am really liking this new 1.10 soon to be 1.11 version, my hopes are with some seeing what you are that reports to the provided email does not dumb the Legend down like they did with the Simplex from my understanding 2.77 was a good version on the Simplex and because of unstable TIDs that people reported that is why 2.78 came out everyone I have chatted with says the 2.77 was a deeper version, I do not know if this is the actual case but it is what simplex users have told me, I just hope Nokta does not do this with the Legend.

I am fortunate enough to have two Legends to allow me to do comparisons between two different versions, so I am running one with the 1.09 and the other with the Beta test version's 1.10, 1.09 is a good version but I am finding 1.10 to be even better

These are my opinions, (on the ground I detect), But others may see something totally different on the ground they detect

Does anyone, anywhere have a completed list of all the features in the updates, and/or, is the online manual updated as they go? I’m not sure all the new features since I purchased mine last year. I downloaded 1.10 and used it a little for the first time since update. Not enough time using to have any pros/cons. Just hoping there’s an addendum or automatic update to the electronic manual, thanks

 

[oldkoot]

Does anyone, anywhere have a completed list of all the features in the updates, and/or, is the online manual updated as they go? I’m not sure all the new features since I purchased mine last year. I downloaded 1.10 and used it a little for the first time since update. Not enough time using to have any pros/cons. Just hoping there’s an addendum or automatic update to the electronic manual, thanks

The current manual is only up to 1.09 and yes all the added features up to 1.09 are in the current manual that can be downloaded and printed on the Nokta website
the 1.10 Beta Test version 1 and 2 are still currently beta test version that was put up on Nokta's web site for all of us to test and give feed back on that testing ended on the 23rd or 27th of January but you can still download the 1.10 beta version and install it on your Legend, and use all the newly added features that were added in the 1.10 V1 and V2

the one thing at this late in the Beta test version personally I would wait until Nokta's software team has a chance to do all their adjustment based on feedback that was provided to a supplied email address from Nokta the 1.10 beta versions will then be put up on their website and come out as the finalized version which will be 1.11 you can go to Nokta website on the Legend page and there is a list of the features that are in the 1.10 beta version

here is a list of the added features in 1.10 Beta Test Versions 1&2

System Software V1.10 Beta 2 Test Version (2023.01.13)​

Updates Made:
1. The loudness of the warning tones, which was added to the buttons in the Beta 1 Test Version, has been updated so that it works directly proportional to the Volume setting.

2. Based on the feedback received from users on the reduced brightness of the Backlight Level 1 in the Beta Test Version 1, the Backlight setting has been reconfigured as below:
The Backlight setting’s levels have been increased to 6 from 5. Levels 1-5 in the software version 1.09 is now equal to 2-6 in this version. Level 1 in this version is now the reduced level.

3. The automatic Backlight setting has been reconfigured to work as below:
a) When the automatic Backlight setting was on, the automatic Backlight was not activated when the pinpoint button was pressed to turn on Tracking in the Ground Balance screen. This now has been updated.
b) When the automatic Backlight setting was on, the Backlight was turning off once you exit the Settings menu. This now has been updated so that the Backlight goes off within the normal time-out period.
c) When the automatic Backlight setting was on, the automatic Backlight was not activated when the pinpoint button was pressed in the Notch Discrimination Pattern. This now has been updated.

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System Software V1.10 Beta Test Version (2023.01.09)​

Updates Made:
1. M3 multi frequency in PARK mode has been updated to prevent coins from being masked by aluminum foil.

2. Bottle Cap Rejection setting has been added.
When the device is in multi frequency, select the Recovery Speed setting and press the pinpoint button. When you navigate with the right and left buttons, you will see the letters "bC" appear on the right side of the screen. You can adjust the BC value between 1-8 using the + and – buttons. When the bC is 0, it means that it is off.

3. Ground Suppressor setting has been added.
It is used to eliminate false ground signals in tough terrains. To access the setting, select the Recovery Speed setting and press the pinpoint button. When you navigate with the right and left buttons, you will see the letters "GS" appear on the right side of the screen. You can adjust the GS value between 1-8 using the + and – buttons. When the GS is 0, it means that it is off. It is recommended that you leave this setting at off position unless needed.

4. The audio emitted as the Tone Break points are changed while in 60-Tone, has been modified with increased bass.

5. Audio Gain setting has been activated in the Gold Field Mode.

6. Warning tones have been added to the buttons.
The buttons will now emit a warning tone in the following cases:
a) To indicate the minimum and maximum levels of settings.
b) When an inactive setting in a specific mode trying to be activated.

7. The brightness of the Backlight Level 1 has been reduced.

8. Bluetooth Chip Version will now be displayed.
When the Bluetooth headphones are paired with the device and the Bluetooth setting is selected, press and hold the Discrimination button. The Bluetooth chip version will be displayed in the clock section. When the button is released, the clock will be displayed again.

9. While in Automatic Ground Balance, the auto backlight will now be lit until the ground balancing is completed.

10. The loudness of the Volume Level 1 has been reduced in PARK, FIELD and BEACH modes.

11. A new level 9 has been added to the Iron Filter (IF) setting.
There has been no change to the levels 1-8. Level 9 will become handy when trying to discriminate some unwanted mid-conductors such as shotgun cartridges as iron.

12. General improvements have been implemented.

 

[oldkoot]

Does anyone, anywhere have a completed list of all the features in the updates, and/or, is the online manual updated as they go? I’m not sure all the new features since I purchased mine last year. I downloaded 1.10 and used it a little for the first time since update. Not enough time using to have any pros/cons. Just hoping there’s an addendum or automatic update to the electronic manual, thanks

One other thing I wanted to add to my earlier reply to you, I do feel that once the 1.11 comes out that it may be the final update for the Legend, but there could be one final update once the new pin pointer comes out also, these are just my opinions of course as I am like everyone else just a end user of the Legend, I do truly believe that once 1.11 is delivered to us that the Legend will finally become what Nokta intended for the Legend to be.

 

[DigDog]

Wouldn’t the final version just be 1.10 up from 1.09 or did they announce it would be called 1.11 when done

 

[oldkoot]

Wouldn’t the final version just be 1.10 up from 1.09 or did they announce it would be called 1.11 when done

Dilek announced that the Beta test version would become 1.11 when finalized

 

[Suncoast Kid]

I stated this when the Legend first came out. The threshold tone, even after doing the latest 1.10 update, is still not a functional threshold tone like on other detectors, that changes with ground conditions, or deep targets, etc., but is still just a hum like background noise.
Look at how the threshold tone works on other detectors. It gives you useful information. If they need to work on anything before the release of the 1.11 update, it would be this feature. It sort of works in Goldfield, but still needs a good engineer to get it right. Right now it is still a useless feature on this detector, and I just leave it on zero. I would love to have them fix this, as I've used a threshold tone for the last 45 years.

 

[Suncoast Kid]

I've found that the latest 1.10 beta version update, with bottle cap rejection, along with the other adjustments made, is a fantastic improvement over the previous updates. It has made the Legend so much better. They're moving in the right direction, like climbing up a latter, and we're almost to the top. By the time they roll out 1.11, if addressing all the other recommendations, including the Threshold, this is going to be one of the best detectors you can buy in regards to the cost, performance wise.
I'm really looking forward to the latest release of the next update.
At one point I was considering selling my Legend, but all things considered, I think it will make it to my top three.

 

[JCR TX]

I stated this when the Legend first came out. The threshold tone, even after doing the latest 1.10 update, is still not a functional threshold tone like on other detectors, that changes with ground conditions, or deep targets, etc., but is still just a hum like background noise.
Look at how the threshold tone works on other detectors. It gives you useful information. If they need to work on anything before the release of the 1.11 update, it would be this feature. It sort of works in Goldfield, but still needs a good engineer to get it right. Right now it is still a useless feature on this detector, and I just leave it on zero. I would love to have them fix this, as I've used a threshold tone for the last 45 years.

I am not experiencing what you describe with either of mine, V1.09 & V1.10B1. I have the Threshold running at level 3 or 4 normally, maybe 5 if in heavy trash. I can hear it best at a frequency of 10. I keep the main detector volume at 4 or 5 depending on ambient noise levels. For me, the Threshold is most useful if I want to run some Disc/Notch because it will blank on the disc'd out target but not cut into a near by good target. It is like having a negative tone that does not distract your hearing of a good positive tone. Even when not using any Notch as in Disc A, I can hear it waiver on changes in the Ground's response and it will blank on a fringe target that is too deep to give any whisper of a tone. So, it works on mine. You just need to play with the volumes. You have to wear headphones for it to do it's job so that's 3 different volume levels to get just right.

 

[Suncoast Kid]

Yes, I've gone through all of that. Volumes, tone pitches, headphones. I guess to me it just doesn't have the sensitivity that I was expecting, as when comparing it to other detectors I've used in the past. Some call it a reference threshold, as to them as well, it is different than an actual working threshold, that is mainly in Park, Field, and Beach. It does sort of work in the Goldfield program as expected, but to me it still lacks the response that I have been accustomed to when using other detectors with a "working Threshold". Others have noticed and commented on this observation as well. Dilek stated that they are taking this into consideration, possibly making it work in all modes, as it does in the Goldfield mode. Maybe some tweaks so you can better hear targets on the fringe of detection, that are too deep to produce an actual target response, etc.

 

[JCR TX]

If Nokta makes a change regarding it I hope it is a stand alone update. I like it as it is now.

 

[DigDog]

Yes, I've gone through all of that. Volumes, tone pitches, headphones. I guess to me it just doesn't have the sensitivity that I was expecting, as when comparing it to other detectors I've used in the past. Some call it a reference threshold, as to them as well, it is different than an actual working threshold, that is mainly in Park, Field, and Beach. It does sort of work in the Goldfield program as expected, but to me it still lacks the response that I have been accustomed to when using other detectors with a "working Threshold". Others have noticed and commented on this observation as well. Dilek stated that they are taking this into consideration, possibly making it work in all modes, as it does in the Goldfield mode. Maybe some tweaks so you can better hear targets on the fringe of detection, that are too deep to produce an actual target response, etc.

So a little confused as to what you call working threshold. I thought threshold was threshold.
I don’t know if you ever had a sovereign but thats the last time I actually used threshold in a detector it was in all metal mode a constant hum.
So does the legend work similar to that if you know and how do you set it so it does

 

[Suncoast Kid]

The Sovereign, at least the GT, was one of my favorite detectors to use on the beach, and is a great reference when describing a Threshold. I believe that was the model, where if you took it apart, there was a potentiometer that you could adjust to change the tone of the threshold, like you can do on the Legend. The threshold knob on the outside was to adjust the volume, as it would sometimes drift to being too loud, or too faint. When adjusted correctly, according to your preference, producing a slight hum, you could easily hear targets that were too deep to actually produce an audio response, or would null out on iron and other targets in accordance to the discrimination setting. But that sensitivity is what I would like to see on the Legend. That would be fantastic.
I've never heard the phrase, reference threshold either, until recently, when someone was describing it as it works in Park, Field, and Beach, with it working more of what I'm used to as it is in the Goldfield mode. I would like it to just work the same in all four modes, having the sensitivity of like what the Sovereign had. At least with the Legend you can adjust the tone without having to take the detector apart. It seems they are considering all things, and plan on having everything addressed by the time they come out with 1.11. They would like to hear anyone's comments by actually today, March the 28th, so they can wrap it up. So, now is the time if you have any additional concerns or comments.

 

[DigDog]

Yes i had the sovereign gt and it worked exactly as you described. So can it work just like that on the legend as i liked using the way it worked on the gt and how do you set it up to work that way.
In all metal you used the knob to adjust the volume to your preference as you said. I had no problem with the tone I actually liked it.
Also would it only work in all metal in the legend or can you use it in other modes

 

[DigDog]

The Sovereign, at least the GT, was one of my favorite detectors to use on the beach, and is a great reference when describing a Threshold. I believe that was the model, where if you took it apart, there was a potentiometer that you could adjust to change the tone of the threshold, like you can do on the Legend. The threshold knob on the outside was to adjust the volume, as it would sometimes drift to being too loud, or too faint. When adjusted correctly, according to your preference, producing a slight hum, you could easily hear targets that were too deep to actually produce an audio response, or would null out on iron and other targets in accordance to the discrimination setting. But that sensitivity is what I would like to see on the Legend. That would be fantastic.
I've never heard the phrase, reference threshold either, until recently, when someone was describing it as it works in Park, Field, and Beach, with it working more of what I'm used to as it is in the Goldfield mode. I would like it to just work the same in all four modes, having the sensitivity of like what the Sovereign had. At least with the Legend you can adjust the tone without having to take the detector apart. It seems they are considering all things, and plan on having everything addressed by the time they come out with 1.11. They would like to hear anyone's comments by actually today, March the 28th, so they can wrap it up. So, now is the time if you have any additional concerns or comments.

Yes i had the sovereign gt and it worked exactly as you described. So can it work just like that on the legend as i liked using the way it worked on the gt and how do you set it up to work that way.
In all metal you used the knob to adjust the volume to your preference as you said. I had no problem with the tone I actually liked it.
Also would it only work in all metal in the legend or can you use it in other modes

 

[Suncoast Kid]

I guess they're addressing that. Would like to see it work the same in all the modes, like it does in Goldfield. Maybe a little more sensitivity. Some say that it works for them, but if they can get it to work to where it does like on the Sovereign GT, or other detectors, I'd be happy with that. I guess we'll see. I think they'll have it right with the next update. They've pretty much fixed everything else. Can't wait for the next update. I think we'll all be happy with it, hopefully.

 

[Odanscoils]

The Sovereign, at least the GT, was one of my favorite detectors to use on the beach, and is a great reference when describing a Threshold. I believe that was the model, where if you took it apart, there was a potentiometer that you could adjust to change the tone of the threshold, like you can do on the Legend. The threshold knob on the outside was to adjust the volume, as it would sometimes drift to being too loud, or too faint. When adjusted correctly, according to your preference, producing a slight hum, you could easily hear targets that were too deep to actually produce an audio response, or would null out on iron and other targets in accordance to the discrimination setting. But that sensitivity is what I would like to see on the Legend. That would be fantastic.
I've never heard the phrase, reference threshold either, until recently, when someone was describing it as it works in Park, Field, and Beach, with it working more of what I'm used to as it is in the Goldfield mode. I would like it to just work the same in all four modes, having the sensitivity of like what the Sovereign had. At least with the Legend you can adjust the tone without having to take the detector apart. It seems they are considering all things, and plan on having everything addressed by the time they come out with 1.11. They would like to hear anyone's comments by actually today, March the 28th, so they can wrap it up. So, now is the time if you have any additional concerns or comments.

Still Loving my GT.

 

[DigDog]

Still Loving my GT.

I sold mine and the Excal shortly after.
I used the GT on land I wouldn’t take it to the beach and went with the Excal for the beach. Really liked both,the only and i mean only thing that i didn’t like was the weight. For me they were both just too heavy after a short while.
Thats when I really started getting and using the tesoros.
The sand shark was a bit heavy as well but the cibola and vaquero were great with weight.
But now we have a good selection of lightweight detectors

 

[DigDog]

I guess they're addressing that. Would like to see it work the same in all the modes, like it does in Goldfield. Maybe a little more sensitivity. Some say that it works for them, but if they can get it to work to where it does like on the Sovereign GT, or other detectors, I'd be happy with that. I guess we'll see. I think they'll have it right with the next update. They've pretty much fixed everything else. Can't wait for the next update. I think we'll all be happy with it, hopefully.

So does the threshold on the legend work at all like the gt in any of the modes