"Tesoro talk" learn the language,,,,,,,

[grouser]

I wanted to start a thread about how to understand what our Tesoros MD are saying to us. I was hoping to get posts from experienced users that have the ability to share their understanding of what each beep, chirp and buzzz means to the hunter.Even sharing different techniques you use to ID targets. Please share your thoughts and maybe, if we get a good amount of usable knowledge the moderators will make it a sticky at the top for all to access easier,,,,,,,thanks for sharing!!!!!

 

[Darkflight]

The 1st technique I call the Tesoro Shake. I learned about it here...
http://www.troycustomdetectors.com/shadowtips/x2-pinpointing.html

Shaking the coil works very well to separate the can slaw,foil & bottle caps with a fair degree of success. Of course too many variables to be foolproof-but once learned it is vital to digging more good targets.

Here's how I go about it for "searching" or fast walk detecting.
I try to sweep at a minor overlap at least. As I run my detector as hot as I can stand when searching I rarely miss side targets as they sound off slightly.

Any sound from a target & I do a quick sweep to locate. At the same time I try & discern if the discrimination is working IE is the tone breaking or off at all. Then I sweep from all angles fairly fast to size the target as always listening to the response. A solid target-coin or ring-will tend to be "solid" sounding. If it is a small target shaking the coil will tell you if it may be junk or not. Caps almost always chirp when doing a fast sweep & foil & small can slaw will break up. If I suspect a small target ( a stud for example) I can "Rattle" the target when hovering on it-As the quality metals stay solid when you shake the coil.

Speaking of "quality" metals. Another part of the language I'm learning are the "soft" or vague-targets that pinpoint small. Usually these are coins that are dissolving. You can hear the spread of minerals from the coin breaking down. Especially zincs but nickles & any clad will do it . Takes a while to recognize it but it is definitely there.

Gold,silver tend to ring solid & cut off at exact discrimination points. The dissolving coins kinda smear out over a wider range of discrimination. Rust also can be anywhere in the range & always bites my butt when I'm cranked up looking for small / deep targets. Oh well!.

Then there is the slow search in a trashy area. Easy with disc but when you want to get all the goodies the shake technique really comes into play. You can "hover" over the area & pick out the solid tones from unstable ones. If you can "rattle" the target its likely a coin in the trash or a ring/tab type target. Cuts out a good chunk of the foil & can slaw. Rusty bottle caps will sneak through at times-also the screw on wine-O-caps will always ring solid & high.

Then there are the fresh water beach & river areas. I never get there 1st so I have to rely on small targets others pass by. Both my machines have been modified to allow the ground balance to be adjusted for various coils. I also can use it to "pump up the volume" so to speak. Its an annoying way to hunt & I haven't had nightmares from it-yet!. But the good targets hidden under hot rocks are there waiting. But it takes a a lot of feedback noise & hovering over suspected targets to pull out some aces.Try the area where the "hotties" sunbathe. Lotta small studs & split toe rings etc.A gold machine would work well here also where others would walk right past these small valuable targets.

I have to say the best thing I ever did is start digging it all within reason. In doing so I learned the language of my machine so I could make better educated decisions. I also got my 1st gold & then more!. Its a rush every time & makes the pull tabs worthwhile.

Also-The clad adds up nicely. I paid for a very nice turkey & overpriced ham for Thanksgiving which is a blessing.

Cheers!
Carl.

 

[Craig]

Great post I think you covered about everything!!! Just learned about the Tesoro shake the other day, plan on trying it today.

 

[Valik]

It was interesting to read. Thanks!

 

[slingshot]

You ain't gonna believe this one. I used to hunt in competition hunts with the Silver umax in min disc and whenever I encountered a signal I would quickly "bob" the coil over the target (straight up and down ) and if there was any small foil or questionable target it would "click" or not even give a signal and I would pass it up. It was fast, as I only slightly bent my wrist for a split second -sorta like a quick dip over the target. On coin sized objects, it's pretty accurate. It's interesting the sounds that it gives.

 

[grouser]

hhummmm,,,will give that a try this weekend,,,thanks

 

[tab-nabit]

I just have to have quality headphones to add what's already been said - and raising the coil while sweeping back and forth over a target in addition to the wiggles

 

[BarberBill]

When I first read of references to tesoro's language, I thought either the posters were mistaken or that I had hearing problems. Now, with many hours, under my belt I know what they were referring to. There are a number of subtle nuances in the audio that are hard to describe for a newbie, but as one puts in the hours they begin to become meaning full to the operator. Where it gets really interesting is when you get a scratchy, raspy sound that you have come to learn is junk, but something sounds a bit off even for that. I passed one of those a while back, thought about it, returned and dug. Ended up with a very small scotty dog off a charm bracelet. Under a magnifying glass the charm was marked .925 silver. Of course this story also enforces the "if in doubt,dig" principle. With time and experience, one can become quite competitive with the TID machines by just thumbing the discrimination knob and knowing the sounds.
BBB

 

[Canewrap]

Yep, took a good 6 months of using a Cibola for a few hours almost every day to really start to hone in on those nuances. Glad I didn't sell or trade it off sooner than I did. Its because of what I learned with that machine that I've come back to using a Tesoro for a lot of my hunting after using TID machines for the last two years.

 

[BarberBill]

It's even better with the TID machines as long as you discipline yourself to go by the sounds first IMHO.
BB

 

[Canewrap]

I guess I'm just not disciplined enough then. I wonder why have TID if you can't trust it enough to make a decision by? Going by sound first is just not realistic to me as you will see what's on the screen at the same time, that's what its for right? Yes, TID has its place, especially in an impossibly trashy spot, but I would rather patiently learn the sounds of my Tesoro and then use that to dig more goodies than I was finding with a TID.

 

[slingshot]

While I agree with the posts, I must confess that targets that were partially masked, on edge, or heavily coated in patina have fooled me quite often. I used to pride myself in "Tesoro talk" until I nearly missed some gold and some coins. Now I humbly admit that beep-dig still is #1.

 

[marcomo]

Good thread, thanks to all who posted the Tesoro "language" tips!

 

[BarberBill]

Answer to Canewrap's post - I didn't mean to negate the TID completely, just combine the sound with the display. Displays are quite good on today's machines, but still a machine's best guess. In fact, I was using my DeLeon when I found the silver charm I mentioned in my earlier post. And as Slingshot says, "beep and dig is still #1."
If you always want to be certain, dig everything.
BB

 

[grouser]

I have been noticing the Silver has such a fast recovery time that in very trashy areas it will go from a clear beep to a junk tone and back so quick that I have a hard time hearing the entire "clean beep" before it gets chopped off by the trash signal. Slowing down I can separate the two better and find the coin laying next to the nail,,,,,

 

[slingshot]

I have been noticing the Silver has such a fast recovery time that in very trashy areas it will go from a clear beep to a junk tone and back so quick that I have a hard time hearing the entire "clean beep" before it gets chopped off by the trash signal. Slowing down I can separate the two better and find the coin laying next to the nail,,,,,

Yeah, that'swhat I was referring to. I get to going at such a quick clip because of the Tesoro quick response, I forget to slow down and see if there's more than one target.

 

[BarberBill]

I have pretty much the same problem if I don't slow down enough when using the 5.75 or 4" coils. I swing past the target before I can react and pinpoint.
BB

 

[hardrockminer]

I have pretty much the same problem if I don't slow down enough when using the 5.75 or 4" coils. I swing past the target before I can react and pinpoint.
BB

BB,

So the size of the coils dictates the sweep speed ? Smaller = Slower & better discrimination Larger = Faster

I rarely use anything but the main coil, so I haven't experimented with other size coils.

HaRM

 

[slingshot]

I have pretty much the same problem if I don't slow down enough when using the 5.75 or 4" coils. I swing past the target before I can react and pinpoint.
BB

BB,

So the size of the coils dictates the sweep speed ? Smaller = Slower & better discrimination Larger = Faster

I rarely use anything but the main coil, so I haven't experimented with other size coils.

HaRM

Whenever masking conditions are present, ANY coil should be swept slower-also, since the Tesoro is a 2 filter machine, more depth and better see-thru ability are possible with a slower sweep. In competition hunts and relatively free trashy sites, I forego depth and use the Tesoro's quick response and fast sweep speed.to quickly cover an area.

 

[grouser]

can someone answer this for me,,,,what shape is the is the search area under the coil ? (on my Silver uMax with standard coil)
-the full shape of a upside down gumdrop
-a narrow sliver thru the center of a upside down gumdrop
-add your own description,,,,thanks