Tesoro Eldorado

[Allan]

Thanks for all the info, Im going to first look into a 5.75 coil as mentioned and give it a try. My impression was the newer ones might disriminate better and ID it? As with my Edorado it disrimantes well to the level you set it at, but the problem is finding quarters and bigger coins, which I set the disrimination to detect these, also picks up can pieces, and atlest to me, I can tell no difference in sound? Dig way to much can pieces and would like to limit this, but just can't seem to, as they hit the same as bigger coins to me as mentioned.

I also thought with some of the newer ones you could set it to not pick up certain targets? As if I set it to not pick up on test pieces of aluminum cans, it would then not detect them and hit more coins? Maybe I'm reading into these newer detectors wrong, but sounds like they have better features for unwanted thrash? thanks

 

[LittleJohn]

As with my Edorado it disrimantes well to the level you set it at, but the problem is finding quarters and bigger coins, which I set the disrimination to detect these, also picks up can pieces, and atlest to me, I can tell no difference in sound? Dig way to much can pieces and would like to limit this, but just can't seem to, as they hit the same as bigger coins to me as mentioned

Any machine will do this....I have a V3i....and it tricks you as well with can slaw. But if you must go buy the magic detector that only detects coins and you dont dig any can slaw...then best of luck to you...you are going to chase your tail...but you dont seem to get it. I will concede. Good luck.

LittleJohn

 

[Allan]

As with my Edorado it disrimantes well to the level you set it at, but the problem is finding quarters and bigger coins, which I set the disrimination to detect these, also picks up can pieces, and atlest to me, I can tell no difference in sound? Dig way to much can pieces and would like to limit this, but just can't seem to, as they hit the same as bigger coins to me as mentioned

Any machine will do this....I have a V3i....and it tricks you as well with can slaw. But if you must go buy the magic detector that only detects coins and you dont dig any can slaw...then best of luck to you...you are going to chase your tail...but you dont seem to get it. I will concede. Good luck.

LittleJohn

Your missing my point, I reailize I'll never eliminate all thrash like I stated, but surely some detectors are better at this? If I'm digging 50% thrash with my current setup and could knock that percent down to 40%,I'd take it. There got to be some that are better in this area, not looking for a cure all as I know it does not exsist? Problem is most opinions are biased as to what they use which is hard to get a good idea. Just looking for the best coin shooter, that's more accurate with thrash. Thanks

 

[LittleJohn]

As an old timer detectorist once told me...."It's not the detector....it's the Detector" If you are digging that much trash...you still have some learning to do with your detector. Your detector is doing what it was designed to do, but you have to learn the subtle differences in the sounds it gives you. With Tesoro's it is a matter of digging a lot of targets and over time it will all start making sense to you. You have a VERY good machine....give it time and patience...if not...spend away my friend....you will come back to these Tesoro's eventually...best of luck to you.

LittleJohn

 

[Allan]

As an old timer detectorist once told me...."It's not the detector....it's the Detector" If you are digging that much trash...you still have some learning to do with your detector. Your detector is doing what it was designed to do, but you have to learn the subtle differences in the sounds it gives you. With Tesoro's it is a matter of digging a lot of targets and over time it will all start making sense to you. You have a VERY good machine....give it time and patience...if not...spend away my friend....you will come back to these Tesoro's eventually...best of luck to you.

LittleJohn

I understand your point, although when I read quotes like this, I just wonder how much better it could be if any?

QUOTESome quick tip's/ notes on the F5, most of the credit goes to Mike Hillis, if you want to know about the F5 he is the man to talk to.

Set the unit in Disc mode, d4 (4 tone mode), Gain on 80, Threshold on -9, and Max out your Discrimination. Only recover repeatable high tones. All you'll be hunting is silver and copper and clad dimes/quarters/ etc. Just get use to doing that for awhile. Your treasure to trash ratio will immediately improve. Then when you are comfortable with both the digging and high tone targets, notch in the Nickel range and hunt that way for awhile until you learn that range of targets. Then as you feel comfortable, add in another segment, like the zinc segment. It has has a different tone and you'll be looking at a completely new range of targets.

 

[Sven]

OOOOOhhhh well, ya gotta dig it, no way around it.

Try hunting in all metal mode, get a target, listen to it is it long, short, fast.....then flip the toggle to disc.
Compare the sounds. slaw and quarter sounds different when flipping the toggle back and forth.
After hunting like this you'll understand what slaw sounds like. You will still end up digging it but not as much.
Get a good set of headphones that may help you out also. I am using Killer bees with one volume control

Here's something I learned:
when hunting in all metal if you get a coin target that is loud then switch to disc and the target is also loud, it near or on the surface.
If you get a weak coin sound in all metal and switch to disc and the sound is louder than all metal, it's probably a coin deep.
Once you put 100 hours in with the Eldo you'll start to see some targets in your head depending upon the sound, duration, loudness, etc.

Have to say one hunt this week, I felt totally one with my Eldo, I could hear the buzz of foil and junk and knew the junk from the coins, using the 7" concentric coil, it was weird.
I could not reproduce that sensation the last hunt tho. Must have been something I ate??? LOL

Don't give up on the Eldo.
If you need to buy another machine, so if it doesn't meet your needs you still have the Eldo to fall back on.

 

[dixiedigger57]

i dont leave home without my old big box. tried true and tested, produces results with the standard widescan coil. hip mountable. i hunt trash, dig a good bit, but i find stuff. hearing impaired and far sighted and still find stuff. old reliable.

 

[hardrockminer]

Your missing my point, I reailize I'll never eliminate all thrash like I stated, but surely some detectors are better at this? If I'm digging 50% thrash with my current setup and could knock that percent down to 40%,I'd take it. There got to be some that are better in this area, not looking for a cure all as I know it does not exsist? Problem is most opinions are biased as to what they use which is hard to get a good idea. Just looking for the best coin shooter, that's more accurate with thrash. Thanks[/quote]

Allan,

It has been stated may times on more forums than I care to count " It's 10% detector & 90% operator ".........I can give a pro a older MDer & a newbie a top of the line MDer, more than likely the pro will find more.............Whats the pros secret, he has found the ZEN point (he and the machine are one).

Yes you can discriminate out sections of the signal & cherry pick some high value targets, but you are going to miss alot of very good targets to.

I prospected with MDers PI & VLF talk about trash, miners were slobs. My Dad owned a Eldorado & when he died my step mom gave her grand kids the detector to play with on the beach. Its a good machine, one you can grow with without changeing machines as your skill grows or your interest changes from coin shooting parks, hunting beaches, relic hunting or canned hunts....................HaRM

 

[GaryF]

Allan,

You have a very large group of people here that have a vast amount of experience with every make and model of detector out there. And each of us is trying to tell you the detector you have
is a darned good one for what you want to use it for yet you still don't understand that it is YOU," not the detector" that decides what to dig. If you can't listen to us then I understand
why you can't get what your machine is trying to tell you. Use some common sense and think of it this way...if there was ONE machine out there that could allow all of us to skip digging slaw and junk...

Don't you think we'd all have that detector?

You have a very good (and simple) detector right now that will do what you are asking it to do. You just need to listen to us...get headphones, a smaller coil and spend quite a few
more hours listening to the sounds from all angles. From what I can see you are bent on getting a new detector and nothing we say matters...so be it. Go buy a whatever
and while you'll be happy cause you are the owner of a nice shiny new detector..once you turn it on and hit the field...you are going to be on the lookout
for another one because this new one is too complicated and still has you digging slaw. At that exact moment I want you to think to yourself.

They told me so.

Good luck to you and I look forward to seeing your many detectors for sale in the classifieds.
Gary

 

[allcav]

It came with an 8.5 widescan so it was the standard 5 pin coil.

 

[Furious T]

Hi Allan,
Things that can help you to distinguish trash, and this applies to any detector, with or without a visual readout: 1) Good headphones - learn to distinguish the different sounds made by coins and trash..not 100% accurate, but it helps; 2) When you get a lound signal, lift your coil (not as you pass over the target - you need to have your coil at a steady distance from the ground as you pass over the target), a shallow piece of large trash will still give a loud signal when your coil is 8" to 10" from the ground...a coin sized object will become fainter the higher you go; 3) approach the target from different directions with your coil.. if it is trash that is oddly shaped, you will get a different type of signal from each angle of approach; 4) Did I say to get yourself a good pair of headphones? 5) A smaller coil will certainly help in trashy areas; 6) Keep your swing pace slow and even (2 seconds for one swing is not too slow in some circumstances); 7) When pinpointing the target, try different speeds over the target from the different angles if the first few passes dont give any clues; make sure your coil is level with the ground at all times, and that each swing is an even height for the whole swing - this is important when you are relying on either audio or visual ID.

A detector with a notch feature can help you to eliminate some targets while finding others, but in really trashy ground (as you describe) I dont know if you would gain much by having a notch feature.

It doesn't matter much which detector you have, if you try and practise what I have said above, it should help. HH

 

[Furious T]

Forgot one thing, in really trashy ground, try lowering the sensitivity a bit, otherwise everything will sound the same....I seldom hunt with the Eldorado with the sensitivity at more than 4, and often drop it back to 2...still get plenty of depth. HH