Tesoro disc at depth?

[atomicscott]

I wasn't going to tackle this topic but here goes!
First and this isn't with a Tesoro yet!
Many of my other detectors when dealing with the low conductors like, beaver tail tabs (these are called pull and toss tabs) and nickels I have found that even air testing them they go up the ID scale as the distance is increased from the coil and I suspect that in the ground they do it even worse.
Down to around the 4" range things are normal, its somewhere around the 5" and beyond where the problem starts to happen.

I've got nickels planted all over my yard, I have them @
3"
4"
5"
6" x2
7"
8"
At 5" these start going up the ID scale towards bottle caps, at 6" they're more in the zinc penny range. With some of my detectors its worse than others. I discovered this at first with my Fisher 1266, it loves deep nickels even when the discrimination is set up well above them, this means it also like deep pull & toss tabs. Some think when they find a deep V-nickel running the disc above nickels that they fall higher up the ID range then a regular Jefferson does? or that they halo enough to raise them up the scale, not so! at 7" deep and buried longer than three years the 1266 has trouble disc'ed them out, same pull tabs at that depth.
I can't explain it? but I know it happens!
I'm thinking I air tested my Tejon with nickels and I'm thinking it kept them disc out all the way out??

One thing I found out about my Vaquero that I had, if you ran it HOT! it got HOT on even nails at depth, pretty small ones at that, it would disc them out find to around 4" to maybe 5" then it just went more towards all-metal. In other words for me trying to hunt deeper coins I didn't feel the Vaquero was up to the task and maintain its discrimination values.

Air testing nickels gets fun with how different detectors handle them. Wave them in front of the coil at about 3" and run the disc up just a tad above them or to where they start breaking up, then move them out to around the 6" to 7" range and see if they hit like a higher conductive coin. I'm not saying this happens with EVERY detector, but I am saying it does with a good number of them.

Mark

Interesting for sure. When you take 2 detectors to the same spots using NO disc and one will ID the tabs and find dimes at 8" and the other does not, it's not rocket science. I know which one works better (for me). No test gardens or air testing involved. Just going out to the same spots with 2 detectors and using them back to back.

 

[4fun]

I wasn't aware that wanting the disc to work properly was wanting it easy. I've never dug pull tabs with any other machine when I've had them discriminated out. Tell me Old wise one, what's the point of having a machine that has a disc that doesn't work? I couldn't care less about finding jewelry, I hunt for old coins. If using your Vaquero gets you all warm in the trousers good for you. It was mediocre at best for me.

The vaquero gets a little hyper if run to hot, all detectors will do that. I have yet to own a detector that will lock onto a target like some claim. whether talking about depth or ability
to tell trash from good target all the time. When they make such a detector I want one. But I have not found the claims to be true. a lot of hype and brand love affair. I have expensive detectors and buying more all the time, and not all the same brand. Not one is able to separate trash from treasure all the time. If you are after mostly old silver, than I would try a detector with a lower operating freq, The vaquero loves gold, foil, pull tabs, nickels. It will hit on silver, but like mine will hit deeper on a nickel than on a quarter. The Vaquero is a awesome detector, but it has its weakness, and deep silver is its weakness. Thats why I own many, and regardless of what all the hype says, I have not found one siize fits all, to many variables

 

[square_nail]

Some of those 8" tabs you're passing up with your TID machine are silver coins. Works the same with any detector. The deeper you go, the more likely a target will be misidentified. Usually they get pushed down the conductivity scale. For example, a coin will be identified as a tab, a tab as iron, and so on. Anything ringing up above iron at 8", dig! You'll get some nice surprises. By the same token, with my non-TID machine, if I get a faint signal and it disappears after lifting my coil an inch off the ground, i'm digging - regardless of where it discs out on the knob. Most folks with TID don't realize that they're passing up a good target. They see low numbers and move on.

 

[kimbershot]

i'm learning my vaquero. just ordered a wide scan coil today. if it beeps--i'm diggin it.

 

[dirt doctor]

.....and dig you shall . Congrats on your new Vaq . Which DD coil are you getting ? I've got the 5.75 DD and really like it .

 

[hatpin]

, if I get a faint signal and it disappears after lifting my coil an inch off the ground, i'm digging - regardless of where it discs out on the knob. .

Good tip. What has helped me more than anything is the internet. Before the internet I was self taught and I was either a poor student or a poor teacher.

 

[wheatymike]

, if I get a faint signal and it disappears after lifting my coil an inch off the ground, i'm digging - regardless of where it discs out on the knob. .

Good tip. What has helped me more than anything is the internet. Before the internet I was self taught and I was either a poor student or a poor teacher.

Are both. LOL....Just kidding.

 

[foxhunter]

In my experience wit the vaquero..They like deep pull tabs..ground balance will play in this factor..bury one of those pull tabs deep.. balance your machine with freq switch in center..After ground balanced..use your freq 1 and 3 as a slight neg and slight pos....you will see the difference.. A lot of Fishers including cz's will pick up a tab further out after it has been disc out.....good luck

 

[MarkCZ]

In my experience wit the vaquero..They like deep pull tabs..ground balance will play in this factor..bury one of those pull tabs deep.. balance your machine with freq switch in center..After ground balanced..use your freq 1 and 3 as a slight neg and slight pos....you will see the difference.. A lot of Fishers including cz's will pick up a tab further out after it has been disc out.....good luck

That's what I was saying! but those that do will do the same thing with nickels and its not just the Fishers, I've had others do it as well and when they do I've found that they do it in air test as well. For me I've never found a detector that didn't have 'Strong Points' and 'Weak Points' and what I've learned over the years is ALL OF THEM has had some kind of short comings and these attributes revolve around different styles of hunting, different areas of locations, there isn't ONE perfect machine for everybody and every location its not possible!!!
I traded my Vaquero to guy for his Tejon, for the purpose he wanted the Vaquero suited him better than the Tejon did and the Tejon fit my order of things better the Vaquero did, the Vaquero wasn't going to work for me with what I wanted it to do, the strong points and the weak points and its short comings were to 'Out Of Alignment' for me, the Tejon seems to have enough shifts in these points to make it better 'Aligned' for my purpose and that doesn't mean that the Tejon for me doesn't have some short comings either, but there not the sort of things that I can't learn and work around.
I could have easily stated that the Vaquero was a bad detector, way over rated, one that I would consider good for the company to replace with a different model. But! I'm thinking it wasn't a bad unit at all, it was more like two people that are miss matched in a relationship, its like I've been able to work close with certain people where other people couldn't be in the same room with them, the same thing can happen with certain people and metal detectors, its just a bad matchup!

Mark

 

[happycamper08]

In my experience wit the vaquero..They like deep pull tabs..ground balance will play in this factor..bury one of those pull tabs deep.. balance your machine with freq switch in center..After ground balanced..use your freq 1 and 3 as a slight neg and slight pos....you will see the difference.. A lot of Fishers including cz's will pick up a tab further out after it has been disc out.....good luck

That's what I was saying! but those that do will do the same thing with nickels and its not just the Fishers, I've had others do it as well and when they do I've found that they do it in air test as well. For me I've never found a detector that didn't have 'Strong Points' and 'Weak Points' and what I've learned over the years is ALL OF THEM has had some kind of short comings and these attributes revolve around different styles of hunting, different areas of locations, there isn't ONE perfect machine for everybody and every location its not possible!!!
I traded my Vaquero to guy for his Tejon, for the purpose he wanted the Vaquero suited him better than the Tejon did and the Tejon fit my order of things better the Vaquero did, the Vaquero wasn't going to work for me with what I wanted it to do, the strong points and the weak points and its short comings were to 'Out Of Alignment' for me, the Tejon seems to have enough shifts in these points to make it better 'Aligned' for my purpose and that doesn't mean that the Tejon for me doesn't have some short comings either, but there not the sort of things that I can't learn and work around.
I could have easily stated that the Vaquero was a bad detector, way over rated, one that I would consider good for the company to replace with a different model. But! I'm thinking it wasn't a bad unit at all, it was more like two people that are miss matched in a relationship, its like I've been able to work close with certain people where other people couldn't be in the same room with them, the same thing can happen with certain people and metal detectors, its just a bad matchup!

Mark

That is how the AT Pro was for me. Good machine, just not for me.