target masking

[jmaryt]

i have to side with the "tab" on this one!..been huntin' over thirty years,and to be blunt!..air tests aren't worth a fiddler's f***!..the ONLY good detector is a detector that finds coins IN THE GROUND!..relative air tests are meaningless!..all it really means is you like to wave coins in front of the coil inside your house!..that's ok if you like doing that!..it never did nothin' for me but,i guess it can be fun too!..also there is a somewhat famous engineer who states the same thing!..resides out of florida!..i think!

regards!
(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[Gunnar of bradford MN]

Dont be dismayed , thear is no detector VLF detector that can pick a quarter up whith discrimination on my m-6 did the same thing and i thought it was a bad detector but my cibola did the same thing and my silver umax and my compadre thats why i love to hunt in or close to all metal no masking and whith the 5.75 coil much less chance of masking you would have to hunt in all metal to get the nail then the quarter you have a good detector dont worry , but whats so frustrating some sales men dont point this out or properly train you so you expected more but its not so bad no vlf can do what you did

 

[Gunnar of bradford MN]

I love tests thanks for posting sounds like the tejan is deep did you have the same size coil as the copadre? yew i found to much sensitivity can be a hindrance thats why a detectors ability to be turned down is very important the cibola was great at being turned down i found it was easear to pinpont and i did not pick up as many small items like foil the silver was bad at being turned down very bad and the compadre well you cant my m-6 was great at being turned down and beleive it or not when i turned down the sense i found many coins that other never would have found i think the tejan would be best used in moderate trash eareas and hunted out spots i dont know of the vaqerue

 

[Gunnar of bradford MN]

I will testify to the truth of what tab just said the compadre is as deep as my M-6 whith the smae size coil just as deep no diff and i would say for any detector whith a similar size coil as the compadre its just as deep the compadre is no play toy yesterday i found a nail at 6" and have no problem finding a dime at 4.5"

 

[Bill in Texas]

Here is a test that I did with my Tesoro Silver Umax with the discrimination set at the foil level on a penny I had buried at five inches several years ago. First I read the penny very easy. Then I pulled the grass away from the spot right over the penny and placed a standard paper clip right over the penny rubbing it into the ground a little. I could no longer read the penny even at a angle. Don't take my word for it, just try it. That is why I leave my MD set on the foil or lower when I hunt, much like a lot of other hunters do also. When I do set it some higher and find a old coin or other old item that indicates a good site, I take time to clean the trash out. Then I hunt very deep. This has worked well for me in finding gold pieces over the years. I have been hunting since the first cheap BFO's came out. I am 71years old. I would rather find one gold piece than 500 new coins. I have hunted many years and finding a gold or silver piece just really gets me going. By the way I have never hunted water, but I am going to start. Yes you can teach a old dog new tricks. Bill in Texas

 

[slingshot]

I am NOT trying to be rude or anything-I am very interested in your test that you did and appreciate that you did it since I am considering a Compadre. Did the Tejon find the coins found by the Compadre in your test or did it miss some of them? Were there any differences in the sounds that may have caused you to pass them up had you NOT used the Compadre? And again thanks

 

[Bill in Texas]

The only machines that I did this test with was the Tesoro and a Bounty Hunter Red Baron. With the discrimination set at the foil level, there was no sound to indicate that a penny was there at all. I am pretty sure that the size of coil will make not make any difference if the trash is directly over the target. The smaller coil will look between trash better and a bigger coil will see deeper, but the point is that trash can completely hide a good target (when set on discrimination) so that the detector will not even see it. Who knows, it just might be a gold ring that is hidden. That is why that the best detector tool that I have is between my ears, in finding a good sight to start with and then cleaning the trash off. The most successful gold hunters that I know though, hunt the Gulf coast beaches. Best of luck and happy hunting. Bill In Texas

 

[tabdog]

hay Bill,

I have read other disscussions where some one whould
say their Whites or Minlab or Bounty Hunter was able
to read the coin with the paper clip or staple test.

They would usually stop posting when challanged.
I'm not trying to get a controversary going, but I'm
not convienced that any standard VLF machine can
not be masked by that test. I could be wrong, But
like them hicks in Kansas say,

" [size=large]Show Me[/size] "

Happy Hunting,

 

[Steve(MS)]

I would think a better test would be a nail and coin. Air tests are useful to a point but in ground conditions where stuff was lost naturally is the ultimate test. I take my tests 2 steps further and place them on top of the ground and conduct the nail(s) and coin tests. Then I bury some of those same tests to see what happens. These tests are useful to compare masking, response time and recovery time but after that it is time to hunt in trash and see what happens. Using the stock coil and also a small coil while doing the tests will be helpful as well. Use different sweep speeds and try at different angles. Place nail(s) over, under, beside, then space a couple of nails and place a coin between them, not all at one time but try different placements and see what the results will be. Place down different coins in those tests (one at a time) also. Don't use spikes but about a normal sized nail that you are expecting to encounter most of the time.
Most of my tests the nails and coins are on the same plane because having iron over a coin very far above it usually causes masking to take place and a no signal on the coin. Of course how close the nail(s) are to the coin can give different results.
The Tesoros as a whole do well in nail trashy areas and some of them will do better than others in such places. One good result from testing is that the user has an idea of the limitations of the detector he is using as well as idenifying what the responses sound like under less than ideal circumstances therefore it can give him an edge when dealing with such situations.
JMHO.

 

[markg]

Good post

 

[bustercrab]

I purchased a Compass Yukon 77b,,100klz,, just for hunting nail and iron infested ground...Depth is only around 3-6 inches,but this machine will see through nails and pick up coins with no masking at all..Try one of these machine's and you will be surprised..I carry mine at all times for this type of hunting...