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Talk me into this Vaquero

Kapok

Active member
I am just having a really hard time learning this Vaquero. Maybe it's just the silent search thing. I feel like the only signals I ever hear is surface stuff. I miss having a threshold so I can listen to those faint sounds. I tried holding down the pinpoint button to use it as a sort of all metal mode like the Bandido, but when I do the tone just goes way up and down. And I'm having trouble ground balancing it as well. All in all I guess I'd say it just seems like a very unstable machine.

I was detecting today with my brother, who has an MXT, and all he did was dig coins. All I did was muck around with my knobs.

Someone talk me back off the ledge here...
 
How long have you had it?

What I do is run the threshold at 3 o'clock and the sens at 10 whenever possible. Even deep (8-9" coins) will sound off. My last hunt I found a nice 1908 dime. It was in a farmer's field and it was fairly deep.

How long has your brother had his MXT? Success with any detector is directly related to how well you know it. I bet I could have dug coins just like he was with your detector. Not tooting my own horn or anything but I do know the Vaquero pretty well and I do well with it. You will too if you give it a chance.

Dan
 
dan b said:
How long have you had it?

I've only had it a couple of weeks, but since I've used Tesoros for years I thought this would be an easy transition. It has been anything but. In pinpoint mode, the threshold just won't stay put. It sort of "takes off". When I try to GB it, the sound stops when I lower the coil. So I adjust the GB knob in the + direction over and over but it never reaches a stable tone. I take a couple of steps away and try to GB and the sound suddenly gets louder instead of stopping. It's bizarre.

dan b said:
What I do is run the threshold at 3 o'clock and the sens at 10 whenever possible. Even deep (8-9" coins) will sound off. My last hunt I found a nice 1908 dime. It was in a farmer's field and it was fairly deep.
That's about where mine is set.

How long has your brother had his MXT? Success with any detector is directly related to how well you know it. I bet I could have dug coins just like he was with your detector. Not tooting my own horn or anything but I do know the Vaquero pretty well and I do well with it. You will too if you give it a chance.
dan b said:
He has had his for over a year, so he definitely knows it well, but with his VID, he didn't have to do much guesswork. It was pretty much spot on with all the targets he dug. All in all it's been a frustrating experience.

Dan[/quote]
 
Reading through your post is a bit confusing, you say you have used Tesoro machines for years, yet in your first post you said you miss the threshold in motion discriminate mode:stars:

The threshold is only a base line for the 'edge of sound' in the all-metal mode, the threshold sets the level of sound for excepted targets in both all-metal and motion discriminate modes. The motion discriminate mode is silent search. When ground balancing you want just a small amount of threshold volume, then as you are ground balancing you will notice a rise or fall of threashold tone. If the tone raises in in volume turn ground balance knob counterclockwise, if it goes silent turn the knob clockwise, much like the volume knob on a radio.

To ground balance you have to find an area of dirt that has no metal in it. Set the threshold to a just audible hum, then you raise the coil to about 8" above ground and then move coil quickly to about 1" above ground........ the threshold should not change,,, it should sound the same as when you first adjusted the tone level of the threshold. That is a nuetral or spot on ground balance, hard to explain just writting it when in real life, it would be easy to learn....... with somebody that's experienced at ground balancing to show you in person.Hope that helps.
 
Hombre said:
Reading through your post is a bit confusing, you say you have used Tesoro machines for years, yet in your first post you said you miss the threshold in motion discriminate mode:stars:
Let me clarify. I could operate my Bandido uMax in All Metal mode and have a constant threshold sound. I often hunted in this mode, thumbing over to Discriminate mode to check signals. I never really learned to trust silent search to respond to deep targets I guess.

Hombre said:
if it goes silent turn the knob clockwise, much like the volume knob on a radio.
Exactly right. But here is what's happening. Let's say the tone goes silent. So I turn the knob clockwise and lower the coil, the sound remains silent. So I try again. Same result, no matter how many times I repeat this process. Then if I move over a few feet and try again, the threshhold sound might increase this time instead of going silent. It's very hard to describe in words. Maybe I'll make a youtube video.[/quote]

Hombre said:
To ground balance you have to find an area of dirt that has no metal in it. Set the threshold to a just audible hum, then you raise the coil to about 8" above ground and then move coil quickly to about 1" above ground........ the threshold should not change,,, it should sound the same as when you first adjusted the tone level of the threshold.
You are right, it should. But it does not.
 
I had trouble with the ground balance also. Its real touchy and makes a noise like a baby calf when the knob is turned just a little. That is normal. First make absolutely sure there is no metal where you are ground balancing. Sometimes it takes a little moving around to find a clean spot. That was always my trouble. Then when I ground balance if it is too positive , "noisy" I turn the knob maybe a half turn negative, because I want to hear it go quiet when lowering the coil or vice versa. Then I start adjusting until I find the neutral position. Each time you adjust that gb switch its going to wail.
 
I had a little trouble with my Vaquero at first also. Most of the places that I hunt have a lot of trash. I bought a 5.75 concentric coil and it made all the difference in the world. When super tuned, it is a deep coil, and pinpoints very well. It might be worth a try.
 
Good idea, Crimson. I may give it a shot.
 
Look into a Minelab X-Terra. When you are in disc mode you still have a threshold hold based hum. You can be in all metal and run 1,2,3,4 or 19 tones. It's amazing!
 
Maybe i am missing something in your post, but why would you hold down the pin-point button for all metal mode, when the Vaquero has a all metal mode?
 
Look into a Minelab X-Terra. When you are in disc mode you still have a threshold hold based hum. You can be in all metal and run 1,2,3,4 or 19 tones. It's amazing!

Now you're just getting annoying. The OP asked for help with his Vaquero, not suggestions on a different machine to buy. We get that you didn't like the Vaquero and that you like your Xterra better. You remind us on pretty much every post. Enough already!

Dan
 
yowow#1 said:
Maybe i am missing something in your post, but why would you hold down the pin-point button for all metal mode, when the Vaquero has a all metal mode?
I feel like such an idiot. I just now figured out that you can actually turn the dial down into all metal until it clicks and have a threshold tone. :surrender:Big time duh. I wish there was a way to delete a post when you say something ridiculously stupid. RTFM, eh?

I still have trouble with the ground balancing thing, though.
 
No wonder you was having trouble balancing it. LOL. I was once detecting on a dead battery.
 
Kapok said:
yowow#1 said:
Maybe i am missing something in your post, but why would you hold down the pin-point button for all metal mode, when the Vaquero has a all metal mode?
I feel like such an idiot. I just now figured out that you can actually turn the dial down into all metal until it clicks and have a threshold tone. :surrender:Big time duh. I wish there was a way to delete a post when you say something ridiculously stupid. RTFM, eh?

I still have trouble with the ground balancing thing, though.

The only thing i can offer on ground balancing is to use the ground balancing information in the owners manual. That is how i ground balance when i use my Vaquero and so far it has worked for me. Good luck & happy hunting.
 
It sounds like you are trying to ground balance over some ground that has some iron or other metallic trash in it.
I have had a Vaquero for about 7 years and it is very easy to ground balance and I have never had any issues ground balancing it.
It is very stable and is quite a performer like others have stated. I have never surpertuned mine, but have made some great finds that were deep.. at least as far as I am concerned.
I sounds like you understand ground balancing by your comments.. I think you are over some metal in the ground making it difficult if not impossible to properly adjust for ground balance.
I have made that mistake a few times myself in the rush to start detecting and not checking the ground to make sure it is free of metal.
Don't give up on that Vaquero yet.. I have had folks look at mine and think it was a toy until they saw it in action and then they were amazed at its performance.
 
Thanks, Crawford. Giving it another shot this week. I'll repost how it goes.
 
Kapok said:
yowow#1 said:
Maybe i am missing something in your post, but why would you hold down the pin-point button for all metal mode, when the Vaquero has a all metal mode?
I feel like such an idiot. I just now figured out that you can actually turn the dial down into all metal until it clicks and have a threshold tone. :surrender:Big time duh. I wish there was a way to delete a post when you say something ridiculously stupid. RTFM, eh?

I still have trouble with the ground balancing thing, though.

No no, not an idiot, this is actually the way I hunt sometimes and actually did this yesterday and found a great coin on a very special but short hunt.
Our club had permission to hunt a very old estate as a one shot deal but only a 2 hour time limit.
This place was loaded with iron, very big and small, and even though at first I was hoping to find some relic to give back to the historical society that tied it to this place there was too much and it took too much time to dig these deep targets up so I switched to a different plan.
I set the disc knob on my Vaq at just below the F in foil, this would allow me to pick up any small pieces of gold or small chains I might run across but still avoid all the really big iron and a lot of the small can slaw and foil that littered this place.
Then I just hunted with my finger pressed on the pinpoint button and listened.
When I heard that great zip-zip sound over a target I let my finger go and if I got no signal I pressed on, if I dig get a signal in disc I thumbed that knob up to see where the disc out point ended up.
Some large rusty iron still went almost to max but usually broke up there, other targets were solid till I did my thing and turned the knob up past the fade out point then back down and then listened to where and how they came in.
If they clicked, sputtered or crackled I know that these were probably trash and let them go, if they came in solid from one direction I would check it from a different angle and to me this was a sign that it could be a good target.
This was a much better and faster way to try to find something great in a short time span.
I reset that knob back to the F in foil after every target when I moved it.
Several Tesoro models have a switch you can hit to instantly turn the unit into all metal without changing the disc settings.
The Vaq isn't one of them but hitting that pinpoint button in disc is effectively the same thing.

Eventually I came across another zip-zip target, turned the disc to max and it was still there and solid, hit it from another angle and it was still solid so I bent down to dig and found my oldest coin...an 1865 2 cent.
This was one of only 2 coins found this day by about 40 hunters in that 2 hour span, the other being a wrecked Large cent with no date.

For me I usually thumb that knob on every target trying to figure it out, sort of a game I have always played with myself to always try to get better, but some just set the disc and dig everything above that.
For those times when you have to draw the line at a certain level in disc but still want to hunt in that usually deeper all metal mode hunting with your thumb on that pinpoint button is an actual good technique to use when hunting with the Vaquero.
 
Thanks for the helpful info, Revier. More grist for the mill, as they say. Also glad to hear from another Vaq user; I don't think there are that many on this forum.

Interesting that you have a Judge in your history. My first detector was a Compass Yukon Nugget, circa 1977. One knob controlled on/off and threshhold. They were really good detectors.
 
Good luck buddy, you are gonna need it with that Vaquero. Just bring extra trash bags for all the rusty iron that you dig thinking its a coin. When I cranked disc all the way up to silver and still kept digging rusty iron, I was done. Detecting was not as fun as it should be. I jumped out of the 1990's and jumped into 2013. Maybe you will have better luck than I did. HH
 
I don't have all that much trouble with iron.
Most of the high tone stuff sounds funny and breaks up when you turn the knob to max disc.
Nope, not much to complain about avoiding iron from this guy.
 
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