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Taking the CZ6a to the beach

Flintstone

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Hi all, going to the beach this Sunday for 5 days, have never hunted the beach with the CZ6a any help would be nice. I was was going to run it in all medal and as hot as i can. I have the 8" coil and the 5" coil, witch would run? I don,t have the 10.5" wish i did. I will try to dig everything but if to trash what would you run it on. Just knot out iron? Thanks for any help. Flintstone
 
I guessing salt beach. Run the 8" coil. Use what ever mode is deepest. My disc mode is deeper than all metal on my cz, so I run in disc. Keep the sens at 5 ish, if in disc, 10 if all metal. You may not be able to gb, so I'd set it at 5. Zero discrim.
Be prepared to dig coins over a foot deep.
Hunt a couple hours before low tide and follow it out. If your finding lead sinkers, stay in that line parallel to the water (heavier gold rings may be there). Stay in the hard sand and hunt in wash outs where the sand is lower.
I dig everything but iron tones. Have a blast!

If therover posts, he has a lot of experience with cz's on the beach. Whatever he suggests, it overrides what I say.
 
Flintstone said:
I was was going to run it in all medal and as hot as i can.

Running the 6A that I have; can run it with a lot higher sensitivity over the wet salt sand in auto tune than in discriminate mode. That said, when a target is found, can just flip it to discrimination of 0, without changing the sensitivity setting, sweep it slowly over the target and identify the conductivity range. Actual detection depth with the one I have is about the same in auto tune and discriminate mode. Can cover the ground a little bit quicker in auto-tune and you don't suffer from target masking in auto tune. If in doubt about a target ID at the beach, dig it. There is a video posted from I think early in this year, in this forum, that shows a deep gold ring that a CZ hits well on that ID's as low tone.
Good luck!
tvr
 
Get a tides table for the area and work the tide out.

Use the 8 inch coil as the 5 will kill you coverage wise.

Ground balance in the area you will be working...in other words dry sand or wet sand.

Auto tune on the beaches I have hunted will get you a hit with all the iron on the beach on every swing so would use a low disc. mode and dig all.

Run sens. as high as you can while keeping a stable unit and if you can get away with it hunt in reg mode not salt mode even if you get some instability, tough call but some beaches its doable.

Foil is the hot spot for gold jewelry so never let one go even if its a poor hit.

Find a silver coin or gold ring work a five foot circle around the find and hunt to the left or right of that line as good finds seem to run a line by weight of objects.

Hipmount your unit to keep it out of the sand and carry a floral shovel in the other as it will cut a 7-8 plug in one swipe. Of course if you hunt in the water you will need a scoop. Eat your wheaties as its hard work walking in the sand.
 
Thanks everyone, i sure need the help. I can get a 10" coil, do you all think it would be better than the 8"? A nice member offered to let me use his if you think it is better. I might just buy it form him. Let me know, thanks . Flintstone
 
The 10.5 or FZ12 is the way to go at the beach or any large area of open ground unless the trash gets heavy. The 8" will do a fine job if that is all you have, I used one for a couple years before acquiring the bigger coils(it is still my choice for hunting at most places). If you can get a deal on that 10.5 coil, get it, it is an excellent addition for the beach etc..
 
The bigger coil is a mixed bag. More coverage and depth, but heavier, harder to pinpoint and possibility of multi-target issues. The 8 is a pretty good compromise, but if the location demands the 10.5 is a great option. The fatigue factor is not just swinging. The larger coil means more digging and even more so when you are not used to it. The key is fun and finding a gold ring is whole lot of fun! Good luck and HH!
:detecting::pulltab:
PS You will learn bottle caps, bobbie pins and tent stakes real quick, but dig all the foil and pulltabs or you won't bother the jeweler.:bouncy:
 
Coil size depends on the beach. Near Atlantic City, NJ the 8 inch. On those beaches there is a lot of iron trash and I made the mistake of showing up there the first time I hunted that beach with only a big coil. If there is not a lot of trash, I go with the big coil. You really need to know something about the nature of where you are going to hunt to make the better coil choice.

It is hard to go wrong with the 8 inch; just that once you get hunting, if there are not a lot of targets and little trash, you may find you want to have the bigger coil.
Cheers,
tvr
 
Thanks for the compliment Steve O.

As far as running the 6a at the beach ( assuming salt water ), one of the things to consider is the location. If the 6a can ground balance in normal mode, run that mode. It will be more sensitive to smaller low conductive targets. There are some beaches where this can be done in the wet sand ( and in the dry, normal mode almost always works), but for most salt water beaches in the wet sand, the 6a will probably have to be run in salt mode. And if you get into the suds, salt mode is probably the only mode that will work.

Make sure you ground balance and as stated in a previous post, if you cannot ground balance ( use the bobbing method, which is explained in the manual...by far a better way as you get a more concise balance as opposed to the quick pin point gb method), run it at 5. One thing though....if there is an abundance of nails and iron, upping or lowering the gb setting can help with some falsing. Have to experiment and test several areas to see if the gb control can help out.

Sensitivity setting is condition based. Make sure once you ground balance in all metal, that you lower the sensitivity when switching to discriminate mode. The 6a will tell you it is running at a higher sensitivity than it should by falsing more than usual and often. To start off, I suggest in the 2-3 range. I have found in the 18+ years of using mine, that anything past the 5-6 range does not increase depth and actually becomes a detriment due to additional falsing. But be aware that not all CZ's are the same, and you may be able to get more depth in the 7-8 range as opposed to the 4-5 range. Experiment but err on the side of caution. A stable CZ is MUCH BETTER than a hot one at the beach.

All metal vs discrimination can pretty much be determined by conditions as well. If there aren't a lot of targets around, all metal may be the way to go as the coil is now fully charged and you get more optimal coverage. I hardly ever run in all metal, but that is because it is hard to switch back and forth from all metal and discriminate mode due to how I have my 6a mounted. If I am running a bigger coil, and have the unit hip mounted, then I sometimes run in all metal.

As always, if running in discriminate mode, I state run in ZERO (0) setting. You want to hear not only all the iron, but it helps immensely with learning how to distinguish between real high tone targets ( ie, good targets) and the low tone/high tone iron falsing wrap as well as hearing the blasting harsh shallow iron tone as opposed to the more mellow, sharper high tone that signifies a good target. Only experience and using the machine will you be able at some point to hear the difference...but you will not learn the difference between an iron wrap high tone and a valid good target high tone, if you run at discrimination setting 1 or higher because you will never hear the low iron tone ( hope that makes sense !).

Sweep slow, over lap the sweeps and always hit a target from multiple angles. If you get a high tone or mid tone repeatable from sweeping at different angles, DIG IT. If there is an abundance of low tones mixed in, and the target is shallow, it's a very good chance is garbage. However, if the target is deep, dig it up. Lots of times a deep goodie will ID with low tones mixed with a mid or high.

As far as the volume setting goes, that is a personal preference. Cool thing about the 6a is that is has the modulated audio, so settings 5 and less will have the deeper targets sound fainter. Cool way to determine a depth range without having to use the pin point method. Since I have my 6a mounted on a straight shaft under my arm, I don't have access to the controls nor can I see the meter, so I hunt by tone and sometimes use the modulated volume to help. Then there are times when the wind and waves are loud, so I run in the 8-10 range because I don't want to miss any target. Depth range is not that important since I am digging all high and mid signals anyway.

As far as coil size....most here see me post about using the 8 inch coil about 90% of the time. I just love that coil. Super easy to pin point by Xing the target so I don't have to use the pin point button, and the coil fits inside the hole with a single scoop out. I can search the sides and wiggle the coil a few inches back and forth, without having to scoop out additional sand when using a bigger coil. I have the 10.5 inch as well as a Sunray FZ12 and only use them on sanded in beaches or when the targets are very sparse. To me, ground coverage and depth is less important than sensitivity, coil control and ease of pin pointing. The 8 inch coil has less coverage and probably has about 1-1.5 inch less depth, but it makes up for it with better sensitivity, less falsing, I can swing it all day and I already mentioned the super easy pin pointing. If you get a chance to use the 10.5, use it first before buying one....you may find out the 8 inch coil is the best. For me it is but that is how I hunt . What matters most is what you prefer and where you hunt.

Bottom line is, set it up right, swing slow and low, overlap the sweeps and when you get a hit, investigate it from different angles. Repeatable high tones or mid tones must be dug !

As far as hunting tactics, there are lots of great posts on how to attack a beach. Obviously you want to hunt where the people were. But there may not be obvious signs of that. Hunt the out going tide into the low if possible. Run perpendicular to the water at first going up and down ( from the med wet sand to the suds) to try to get an idea where the target line is. Once you see that there is a pattern, switch the attack and hunt parallel to the water on that line. If you hit any nickels, deep quarters or sinkers, that is the area to grid, from all different angles. If you start hitting deep zinc pennies, pull tabs and aluminum, move on. The coins and gold rings are probably too deep. Same with mushy sand...if you are sinking 3-4 inches down, get out of there...not worth the trouble.

Main point....HAVE FUN and be careful. Watch those waves and those rusty nails.
 
Hi tvr,I am going to Myrtle Beach N. C. this will be the first time to beach hunt.I will just use the 8" that i am use to, unless there is a lot of trash i will dig about all. Someone said that you don,t loose alot of depth if you knot out iron up to foil. Dose anyone know if this is true? I will have fun no matter what, but would love to come home and show off a ring or two, even if they are silver. Thanks so much for all the help from everyone. I will let you know what i found when i get back. Maybe junk but that is detecting. Flintstone
 
I wish you the best of luck. At least the 8 inch coil will have better balance to it. The offer still stands to try it out. Just trying to help a fellow detectorist. I have more detectors and search coils than any sane person should. I let one of my local friends take a Tom calibrated CZ3D to Florida for 2 months. He said he had found some coins but no gold yet...:)
 
Wife and I were in North Myrtle Beach for a week this past March. Seems like years ago. I actually like the bigger coil on the Myrtle Beach area beaches but have done well with the 8 inch coil when I've hunted with the CZ20 there. In March I got a nice little white gold pendant with the CZ6a; although most trips to Myrtle Beach have not brought home gold.
Cheers,
tvr
 
therover said:
Thanks for the compliment Steve O.

As far as running the 6a at the beach ( assuming salt water ), one of the things to consider is the location. If the 6a can ground balance in normal mode, run that mode. It will be more sensitive to smaller low conductive targets. There are some beaches where this can be done in the wet sand ( and in the dry, normal mode almost always works), but for most salt water beaches in the wet sand, the 6a will probably have to be run in salt mode. And if you get into the suds, salt mode is probably the only mode that will work.

Make sure you ground balance and as stated in a previous post, if you cannot ground balance ( use the bobbing method, which is explained in the manual...by far a better way as you get a more concise balance as opposed to the quick pin point gb method), run it at 5. One thing though....if there is an abundance of nails and iron, upping or lowering the gb setting can help with some falsing. Have to experiment and test several areas to see if the gb control can help out.

Sensitivity setting is condition based. Make sure once you ground balance in all metal, that you lower the sensitivity when switching to discriminate mode. The 6a will tell you it is running at a higher sensitivity than it should by falsing more than usual and often. To start off, I suggest in the 2-3 range. I have found in the 18+ years of using mine, that anything past the 5-6 range does not increase depth and actually becomes a detriment due to additional falsing. But be aware that not all CZ's are the same, and you may be able to get more depth in the 7-8 range as opposed to the 4-5 range. Experiment but err on the side of caution. A stable CZ is MUCH BETTER than a hot one at the beach.

All metal vs discrimination can pretty much be determined by conditions as well. If there aren't a lot of targets around, all metal may be the way to go as the coil is now fully charged and you get more optimal coverage. I hardly ever run in all metal, but that is because it is hard to switch back and forth from all metal and discriminate mode due to how I have my 6a mounted. If I am running a bigger coil, and have the unit hip mounted, then I sometimes run in all metal.

As always, if running in discriminate mode, I state run in ZERO (0) setting. You want to hear not only all the iron, but it helps immensely with learning how to distinguish between real high tone targets ( ie, good targets) and the low tone/high tone iron falsing wrap as well as hearing the blasting harsh shallow iron tone as opposed to the more mellow, sharper high tone that signifies a good target. Only experience and using the machine will you be able at some point to hear the difference...but you will not learn the difference between an iron wrap high tone and a valid good target high tone, if you run at discrimination setting 1 or higher because you will never hear the low iron tone ( hope that makes sense !).

Sweep slow, over lap the sweeps and always hit a target from multiple angles. If you get a high tone or mid tone repeatable from sweeping at different angles, DIG IT. If there is an abundance of low tones mixed in, and the target is shallow, it's a very good chance is garbage. However, if the target is deep, dig it up. Lots of times a deep goodie will ID with low tones mixed with a mid or high.

As far as the volume setting goes, that is a personal preference. Cool thing about the 6a is that is has the modulated audio, so settings 5 and less will have the deeper targets sound fainter. Cool way to determine a depth range without having to use the pin point method. Since I have my 6a mounted on a straight shaft under my arm, I don't have access to the controls nor can I see the meter, so I hunt by tone and sometimes use the modulated volume to help. Then there are times when the wind and waves are loud, so I run in the 8-10 range because I don't want to miss any target. Depth range is not that important since I am digging all high and mid signals anyway.

As far as coil size....most here see me post about using the 8 inch coil about 90% of the time. I just love that coil. Super easy to pin point by Xing the target so I don't have to use the pin point button, and the coil fits inside the hole with a single scoop out. I can search the sides and wiggle the coil a few inches back and forth, without having to scoop out additional sand when using a bigger coil. I have the 10.5 inch as well as a Sunray FZ12 and only use them on sanded in beaches or when the targets are very sparse. To me, ground coverage and depth is less important than sensitivity, coil control and ease of pin pointing. The 8 inch coil has less coverage and probably has about 1-1.5 inch less depth, but it makes up for it with better sensitivity, less falsing, I can swing it all day and I already mentioned the super easy pin pointing. If you get a chance to use the 10.5, use it first before buying one....you may find out the 8 inch coil is the best. For me it is but that is how I hunt . What matters most is what you prefer and where you hunt.

Bottom line is, set it up right, swing slow and low, overlap the sweeps and when you get a hit, investigate it from different angles. Repeatable high tones or mid tones must be dug !

As far as hunting tactics, there are lots of great posts on how to attack a beach. Obviously you want to hunt where the people were. But there may not be obvious signs of that. Hunt the out going tide into the low if possible. Run perpendicular to the water at first going up and down ( from the med wet sand to the suds) to try to get an idea where the target line is. Once you see that there is a pattern, switch the attack and hunt parallel to the water on that line. If you hit any nickels, deep quarters or sinkers, that is the area to grid, from all different angles. If you start hitting deep zinc pennies, pull tabs and aluminum, move on. The coins and gold rings are probably too deep. Same with mushy sand...if you are sinking 3-4 inches down, get out of there...not worth the trouble.

Main point....HAVE FUN and be careful. Watch those waves and those rusty nails.


GOOD INFO ABOVE.
Not the easiest beach to detect due to soil conditions && trash ! Print out the above advise & take it with you. Try to detect in normal mode in the dry sand, Salt mode in wet. Ground balance whenever you shift between the 2. If you aren't finding pull-tabs, change your settings to where you do !!! [ pick up a couple & bury them in the dry && wet sand to re-check your settings.]

If going to Myrtle Beach, in N.C., you should go to SOUTH CAROLINA .
 
One more aspect larger coils sure help coverage but are heavier and usually hipmounted and well the stock 8 inch will handle the wet salt situation better with a more stable unit. Beaches are not all the same or for that matter one beach may differ from day to day depending on what the waves bring in so bring them both and even saw the 5 inch hockey puck used but would not recommend due to large areas and poor coverage.....
 
Since we are tossing twigs on the fire... to clarify run normal all the way to the water for as long as you can. When you can keep it stable go salt you lose depth for stability and go blind to small gold. Play with swing speed, I believe many CZ can go faster that most of us think. The bottom line is what actually works for you and your machine. Also don't worry about scrubbing the sand if there are no rocks or such- swinging low is very helpful. My biggest improvement recently is learning to hear a near miss and going back to locate the cause of the semi-hit. Maybe a 30% increase in finds from this step up in learning my machine's language.
GL & HH!
 
One of the good things about the CZ's is the coil design. It's one of the detectors out there where you can scub the sand and not worry about falsing as well as hurting the coil.

Last point....don't worry about a coil cover. Go without one. They are a pain in the butt on those CZ coils and are more harm than good once salt water and sand get in there. And they are a bear to get off.
 
Thanks Pasttom, for the pointers. That is a good to know about the coil cover, i think i will take it off before i go. I always just put my coil in warm water for a min. or so and cover comes off easy. Thanks Flintstone
 
Tom is right on recognizing the good hits from the phantom hits which takes time to learn but going back to recheck will yield some good finds...
A good unit is one thing but learning its audio is what its all about...
 
What dose a phantom hit sound like? Is it just a beep or a sound or what. If you get a beep and can,t find it again, do you move some sand in the that spot? I know all this sounds like i have never detector before but i have not detector a beach, sorry. Thanks for all your help. Flintstone
 
So when in doubt....DIG IT UP.

If you start chasing false signals that end up not being targets, you either have to re-ground balance, or your sensitivity is too high for the conditions. Always err on the side of less on the sensitivity setting on a CZ. They go plenty deep and run very stable in the wet sand in the 2-3 range.

Another way is check the target in all metal. There are times when running in discriminate mode that if the unit is falsing on 'phantom' signals yet everything else seems fine ( ie, gb and sensitivity), that you can check the target in all metal. Most always, a target ( iron or non-iron), will sound off in all metal whereas the 'phantom' target will not. You can also just run in all metal ( which is not nearly as susceptible to falsing ) and then check the target in discriminate mode. There are beaches I hunt where there are 'hot rocks' that the CZ hits a mid tones ( yeah...I wish they were all gold rings), and I either have to try to ground balance out the 'hot rocks' or the better way, is just to run in all metal as they do not sound off nearly as good/loud and I can tell what they are.

Try running in both modes and experiment. Run in discrim, check in all metal and vice versa. Great thing about that 6a is the analog sound which has a language of it's own ( and which cannot be learned in a weekend) and the knobs where you can turn them back and forth very easily, switching from discrim level 0 to all metal in a flash.....and if you don't want to do that and are running in the stock configuration, just press the pin point button and check the target that way to make sure it's 'real'. Pressing and holding the pin point button switches the unit into the all metal mode. And you can then size the target and use the VCO sound to get more info.

Said it before and I will say it again....I think the 6a is the best overall detector ever ( it can take a pounding...shoot, I dropped one of mine onto cement at over 3 feet in the air and it bounced and worked like it was brand new, can hunt in pouring rain and be splashed on by salt water waves without a hitch puts it over the top for me)

Just my opinion.
 
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