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Still no small coil? Glad I got an MXT instead
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brissietex
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Minelab isn't licensing the X-Terra coil technology to anyone...not soon, anyway.
I personally think all this whinging about smaller coils for the X-Terra is just that. Get over it...a smaller coil will come out when Minelab is ready for it to come out. I kinda wish Findmall had a Whinge filter.
The initial poster is just a pot stirrer anyway who needs to just go be happy with his new toy in White's land. I almost stopped coming by here to the X-Terra forum because all some people do here is pot stir and complain. Get a life or a new detector...either way, stop whinging about something so irrelevant and beyond everyone's except Minelab's control.
My two bob worth...Brissietex
I personally think all this whinging about smaller coils for the X-Terra is just that. Get over it...a smaller coil will come out when Minelab is ready for it to come out. I kinda wish Findmall had a Whinge filter.
The initial poster is just a pot stirrer anyway who needs to just go be happy with his new toy in White's land. I almost stopped coming by here to the X-Terra forum because all some people do here is pot stir and complain. Get a life or a new detector...either way, stop whinging about something so irrelevant and beyond everyone's except Minelab's control.
My two bob worth...Brissietex
cannonball
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A coil made for detecting metal will detect metal. All metal.
I used an MXT yesterday in the fresh spring air on a 120 year old homestead (Trashlandia)with a HotFoot coil. Many firsts, including a nice brass padlock -very old. I used the small coil because of the brush, scrub trees and forest. The same type of environment would be found in gold country, but not all. The value of a small coil is important to any operator who would encounter such places. I am impressed with the reports of the XTerra but still would want a small coil no matter what the reasons one is not available now. To imply that this machine and a system of coils including the one in the illustration is expected,... requires no defence for the maker! I would go further to say that it is false advertising. I inquired about coil availability and found that the after market production of these coils would not happen. My watch has more smarts in it than the chip sets used in this system and I do not think the after market coil makers would want to entertain making these chips, if indeed Minelab ordered these from some burger-king chip plant. So that statement blows the proprietary excuse out of the water (too costly is what's proprietary). The nice thing about the chip-sets is that you could run a long extension from the head, eg. trolling for meteorites or gold in the desert. Did they use an 'off the shelf' chip-set or had one designed? Does not matter to me. You cannot null out the imprint from the chip in a small package, if you do you will lose baseline performance of the coil. Good engineering knows its limits but marketing does not. Now the bee is on the engineers and I will gladly encourage their efforts as they have to defy the science they are disciplined in. I like the machine but yesterday's finds would not be possible with the existing coils and configurations available now. Well,... maybe what was next to the lock from a distance.
I can understand not wanting a smaller coil if it does not suit your needs. I never understood the importance until the need arose and then I learned how important a small coil was. Even if the present stock coils are good on small gold, a detectorist going to look for gold would have a small coil for the places that warrant it -regardless of the type of machine used(pulse/VLF). Ever use a pin-pointer? Most gold discoveries are small and in larger population than the big lunkers. Use the right tool for the job at hand. That's why many gold machines went to a higher VLF frequency- they 'resolved' the small stuff! 18.75 kHz is a balance.
Coil size: A smaller coil would 'see' the smaller targets while the larger coil may 'look' beyond in a greater, less concentrated electromagnetic field. One responds to the smaller proximal targets and another has greater depth of detection for the larger. You gotta have a ping! It is a balance. Sometimes the ping is a big 'catch-ing'.
Do the BB tinfoil test at 3kHz. Best test to learn that coil's ways.
Happy hunting,
Cannonball
I used an MXT yesterday in the fresh spring air on a 120 year old homestead (Trashlandia)with a HotFoot coil. Many firsts, including a nice brass padlock -very old. I used the small coil because of the brush, scrub trees and forest. The same type of environment would be found in gold country, but not all. The value of a small coil is important to any operator who would encounter such places. I am impressed with the reports of the XTerra but still would want a small coil no matter what the reasons one is not available now. To imply that this machine and a system of coils including the one in the illustration is expected,... requires no defence for the maker! I would go further to say that it is false advertising. I inquired about coil availability and found that the after market production of these coils would not happen. My watch has more smarts in it than the chip sets used in this system and I do not think the after market coil makers would want to entertain making these chips, if indeed Minelab ordered these from some burger-king chip plant. So that statement blows the proprietary excuse out of the water (too costly is what's proprietary). The nice thing about the chip-sets is that you could run a long extension from the head, eg. trolling for meteorites or gold in the desert. Did they use an 'off the shelf' chip-set or had one designed? Does not matter to me. You cannot null out the imprint from the chip in a small package, if you do you will lose baseline performance of the coil. Good engineering knows its limits but marketing does not. Now the bee is on the engineers and I will gladly encourage their efforts as they have to defy the science they are disciplined in. I like the machine but yesterday's finds would not be possible with the existing coils and configurations available now. Well,... maybe what was next to the lock from a distance.
I can understand not wanting a smaller coil if it does not suit your needs. I never understood the importance until the need arose and then I learned how important a small coil was. Even if the present stock coils are good on small gold, a detectorist going to look for gold would have a small coil for the places that warrant it -regardless of the type of machine used(pulse/VLF). Ever use a pin-pointer? Most gold discoveries are small and in larger population than the big lunkers. Use the right tool for the job at hand. That's why many gold machines went to a higher VLF frequency- they 'resolved' the small stuff! 18.75 kHz is a balance.
Coil size: A smaller coil would 'see' the smaller targets while the larger coil may 'look' beyond in a greater, less concentrated electromagnetic field. One responds to the smaller proximal targets and another has greater depth of detection for the larger. You gotta have a ping! It is a balance. Sometimes the ping is a big 'catch-ing'.
Do the BB tinfoil test at 3kHz. Best test to learn that coil's ways.
Happy hunting,
Cannonball
steelheadfever
New member
There is a saying " The squeaking wheel gets the grease". I hope others stir the pot as you say, and then Minelab might get the message that a goodly amount of XT-70 owners would like to see a small coil, me included. Sorry that irritates you. My two bits worth. HH Dennis in Idaho
brissietex
Member
it seems to be a weekly thing this whinging about a small coil. I really don't think Minelab pays much attention to forums anyway. I know that ppl think that they'll make a point by whinging louder and longer but my point is that Minelab is testing a small coil now and to whinge about it won't make it come out any quicker. Even if they were listening, I'd rather have a tried and tested product than one hurried out the door to pacify a small subset of complaining users.
Do I want a small coil? Maybe...personally I'd love to see a 12"+ before a sub-8" since I mostly do beaches anyway. The parks here in Australia are no go zones during this drought of ours and the ground almost everywhere else around my area is like concrete. I use my ExpII with a 15" WOT coil which is for all intensive purposes the most best-est combo (Exp+WOT) out there for beach detecting unless I want to go for the tinier stuff and then I bring out the XT-70/5x10 HF combo. :>
cheers...Brissietex
Do I want a small coil? Maybe...personally I'd love to see a 12"+ before a sub-8" since I mostly do beaches anyway. The parks here in Australia are no go zones during this drought of ours and the ground almost everywhere else around my area is like concrete. I use my ExpII with a 15" WOT coil which is for all intensive purposes the most best-est combo (Exp+WOT) out there for beach detecting unless I want to go for the tinier stuff and then I bring out the XT-70/5x10 HF combo. :>
cheers...Brissietex
I've been saying the same thing since this debate came up. The people who make these decisions at Minelab don't read these forums. If they did, the Explorer would have been redesigned to be better balanced 5 years ago. Future coils for the X-Terra will become commercially available when they are ready. Whining and complaining only encourages those who don't own an X-Terra to flame Minelab products. We've seen evidence of that many times here recently. JMHO Randy