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The laws are pretty clear and posting photos of what is found in areas where it is clearly posted that detecting is not allowed is not really helping those that obey the laws . . . .

Nice finds but having several friends in Spain that detect for the University of Madrid's archeology department, they were not overly impressed with the post of finds made when it has been clearly stated what the laws are.

My opinion is if you plan on hunting areas where you know you are not allowed, don't go for the publicity of what you have found . . . . but this is just one person's opinion.
 
and will make it harder for the rest of us that do obey the laws,you may find out one day as some law enforcement walk up and arrest you and take your equipment,finds,etc.... and due to being in another
country were prisons are far worse then here in the U.S. you might not like what it cost you in the long run
 
I believe Andy Sabisch had mentioned previously about it being illegal to hunt there. He once again verified it above too, I'm scared, guess you guys can just have it, I ain't goin' to jail over some stupid gold rings, LOL! Unless someone can show my in writing, that it is legal, I'm out!
 
For those Spanish speakers/readers here is an up to date website http://buscametales.com/ you will find most of the spanish legislation and how to apply for permision in andalucia etc
also the same page http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbuscametales.com translated

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Hopefully this will help put the topic to rest
 
This is so hilarious, and so typical of those who ask a bureaucrat "can I metal detect?" I mean, while it may seem logical to ask some consulate or lawyer of the country you intend to go to: "can I metal detect?", quite often, such a question gets couched in terms of shipwreck salvor (ala Mel Fisher, etc...) type stuff. Or raiding pyramaids, exporting gold bars, and other such nonsense. But detectors on tourist beaches are a common site. It would be no different than if you were to ask a congressman or lawyer in the USA "can I metal detect?", they may say "no", because they are thinking of federal sites, Shiloh, Bodie, Mel Fisher, etc.... But we all know, that as long as you stay clear of obvious historic landmarks, and aren't a nuisance, you can detect.
 
Tom_in_CA said:
This is so hilarious, and so typical of those who ask a bureaucrat "can I metal detect?" I mean, while it may seem logical to ask some consulate or lawyer of the country you intend to go to: "can I metal detect?", quite often, such a question gets couched in terms of shipwreck salvor (ala Mel Fisher, etc...) type stuff. Or raiding pyramaids, exporting gold bars, and other such nonsense. But detectors on tourist beaches are a common site. It would be no different than if you were to ask a congressman or lawyer in the USA "can I metal detect?", they may say "no", because they are thinking of federal sites, Shiloh, Bodie, Mel Fisher, etc.... But we all know, that as long as you stay clear of obvious historic landmarks, and aren't a nuisance, you can detect.

I understand what you're saying and it's true BUT from what I have seen in the laws of Spain, what noted people on this forum have said about LEGAL MD in Spain and what people who do MD in Spain and come back with years worth of rings compared to the average Joe it's plain to see that something is not jiving!

I just called up a Parks Director to ask for permission to MD a park and when I said,"AM I allowed to MD in ....... .... Park, she said, "what, huh, what was that again" I might as well I have said," I am an Alien, Can you father my disfigured child who will live on this Earth?!" "Are race must survive!"
I got permission BUT people are really out of touch when it comes to this hobby.

I know I keep saying this and no one is LISTENING but MD is a great way to converse with women. I was surprised with the women who approached me with a mini-skirt, nice legs and 40's on her chest wondering what I was doing.
 
i have been watching this conversation with interest and amusement, it seems to be of such interest to most people on here and yet they never intend to detect in Spain but still wish to try to put a damper on it, the laws are about the removal of historical objects, and this some how gets equated to any use of detectors??? Tom in ca i think you are spot on with what you say, i have come across this time and time again, laws are funny things and i am yet to come across one that states the word Metal detecting i think you have to do things right and obey the laws for the area and the country your within, i have seen a magazine for sale in Spain called El Detector and shops that sell Machines, are they all breaking the law?

On another note are you sure you are allowed to detect in the USA? as you are damaging the Eco structure of a marine environment, i understand this is prohibited without permit, correct me if i am wrong, you can detect but not dig? the only thing i know is i enjoy detecting meeting new people and i don't intend to ruin this for myself. chill out and enjoy your hobby.

talking about laws did you know here in the Uk a pregnant woman can stop a police man and use his helmet as a toilet,
 
thebarnacle said:
talking about laws did you know here in the Uk a pregnant woman can stop a police man and use his helmet as a toilet,


ARe you serious? If it's true and I was a pregnant women I would do it just to pizz him off,hehee.
 
you can also pee in the street if you are on a horse, as its more of a lawbreaking offence leaving a horse un attended :lol:
 
Im in total support with Blacksanders comments , what he says is correct ,
I have hunted Spain for some ten years now and I have actually been asked / instructed by the Guardia Civil and Policia Local to come over and search an area of beach to try and find evidence for them ( a digital camera and a ladies hand bag ) in the hope of convicting the thief that they had detained in handcuffs, but they needed the proof ! Unfortunately I was not able to find anything in the sand ! we think that the property had been "passed on" robber to robbers mate at the scene of the crime ? The officers shook my hand for trying to help them and ever since then the Guardia and Policia often wave as they regularly patrol up and down the promenade.
I was also stopped at the Airport security control when my handcase went through the conveyor belt scanner , my handcase full of dirty coins and bling caused interest ! and a Guardia Civil officer took me into a side office and lucky for me I had the recent issue of Treasure hunter in my handcase, so with my very basic Spanish and pointing out the various pages featuring my Excalibur and S.E I was able to explain my hobby .He was amazed to see what I had found as he looked at the Euro coin bag , British coin bag , gold and silver bag . moy bien amigo he said smiled and sent me on my way !! If this was such a big Spanish problem then why didnt I lose my stash or liberty ??
They know its not Roman artifacts we are after , just the lost money and bling discarded by drunken tourists and skinny dippers that I am toooooooooo embarrassed to call FELLOW BRITS !! !!!!!

happy hunting Tony
 
king-ghidorah, that colchester-thingy listing of European laws has circulated on the net for many years now. I am of the opinion that whomever assembed that list, years ago, must've simply sent out a letter to consolates or a govt. official or whatever, in each country, asking "what are the laws about metal detecting in your country?". And if you scroll through that list, you can see that there are dire sound consequences, limitations, if not downright "no's" from nearly all of them. All except perhaps England anyhow.

True story: Several years back, I had a used metal detector listed on a web-classified listing. An interested person in Spain responded. He explained that the particular out-of-production model I was selling, was still a popular one in his hunting circles, so they had to buy USA, as there were no dealers of this brand in his area. As this fellow and I exchanged emails to prepare to sell and ship, my curiousity go the better of me. I too, like you, pulled up that Colchester list of European laws, and saw that in Spain, it seemed that it was all but illegal. So, as a side-note, just out of curiousity, I asked this buyer "I thought metal detecting was illegal in Spain?" and I linked him to that site. He replied back that those laws only apply to public lands. They would not apply to private land (like farmer's fields, etc...) with permission. And he also frankly told me that they detect "way back in the forests", where there is just no one to care, to begin with. He said that as long as you aren't snooping around obvious historical sites, getting into archaeological pits, or being some other kind of nuisance, that those laws really only applied to exporting national treasures type stuff. He said that there were clubs, dealers there, etc... So no, he said it is not illegal to detect in Spain.

Another example: Back in the very early 1980s, Fisher Co. used to have a monthly or quarterly periodical. One of the pages in each edition was a Q&A column. In one edition, someone had written in a queery, saying they were getting ready to vacation to Mexico, and wanted to know if detecting was legal there on the beaches. The editor's answer was in a few paragraphs entitled something like: "When travelling to Mexico, leave the detectors at home". The editor then went on to detail how detecting was NOT legal in Mexico, blah blah blah. Here's where it got strange though: In the FOLLOWING edition, several others had written in to this Q&A column asking things like "Since WHEN?" and "Where did you get your information?" "Who told you this? We detect there all the time and never have a problem" etc..... The column editor, in response to the persons who took exception to their earlier answer, gave this response: When they had fielded the earlier inquiry, they merely went to some Mexican consolate or govt. official type over there ....... AND ASKED! Doh! (I mean, who better to ask, than Mexico themselves, right? haha) Fisher was merely passing on the answer they received. But the letter writers insisted that metal detectors are a common site on tourist beaches there, and they had never had any problems. Also all the major manufacturers have dealers in Mexico, INCLUDING FISHER! Doh! All I can figure, is that whomever answered Fisher's earlier inquiry, must've had things like antiquities laws (that would be a far stretch to apply to modern beach-goer-fumble fingers losses), pyramaids, shipwrck salvor stuff, etc... in mind.
 
I could go into the people who have had their detectors confiscated in the last few years including Mike Longfield a U.K. detector dealer, "Seeker" from the U.S. who lost his Minelab Aquasearch, one of the first attempts at a waterproof Explorer, Paul Johnstone who lost his Beachscan etc.

I've just been sent this link which seems to bear out the information about detecting restrictions as detailed by the various U.K. detecting bodies. Its a Spanish "free" newspaper.

http://www.roundtownnews.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17733&Itemid=132

When I contacted the Spanish Embassy a few months back they confirmed restrictions are in place but say as there were regions where the restrictions were not being strictly enforced, the only safe option was to contact the police in the area in which you hope to detect.

I only been moved off one beach but I only detect before or after the holidaymakers use the beach and I avoid any conflict with the beach cleaners.

Karl Bachus from the U.S. who detected regularly inland in Spain posted some time back that because of the activities of detectorists in recent years, holes left open, sites despoiled, it was becoming impossible to detect legally.
 
UK Brian, this is becoming a vicious circle: Your own post just perpetuates the psychology: Someone (like myself in this instance) points out that metal detectors may be a common site on tourist beaches in a certain country, dealers exist, etc... Yet at the same time, dire sounding laws may exist. So some (myself in this example, given the facts and reality of what's going on), conclude that the "dire sounding laws" therefore must apply to protect archaeological exports, shipwreck salvor stuff, or other such people snooping around obvious archaeological and historical monuments. So what do someone do, to "double check" this "no one really cares" attitude? : They off to the nearest consolate or government bureaucrat, and ASK AGAIN! Doh!

I mean, wouldn't that be sort of like if I went and kept asking high enough up the chain of command, here in the USA, that I too might not find someone here to tell me that metal detecting is also not allowed in the USA? All they would merely need to do is find something they can morph from the 1906 & 1979 ARPA laws, and presto! you can get a "no". Or maybe they're thinking of Mel Fisher and his legal troubles. Or maybe they're thinking of Shiloh, Bodie, and other such state and federal protected sites?

Or put another way: what do you do with the example of Mexico tourist beaches I give? Someone there (just like your Spain example) finds someone to tell them "no". Yet the beaches are routinely detected, as long as you're not a nuisance, and not raiding pyramaids or whatever.

As for confiscations, warnings, etc... I am thinking that most such stories are people who couldn't take a warning, were snooping obvious historic monuments at night, or something like that. But if I'm wrong, and there is an extremely rare exception of someone getting "roughed up" for metal detecting, I would say that is the exception. I mean, so too does a rogue cop, now and then, pull over and "rough up a motorist" for nothing more than a tail-light infraction. But does that stop us from driving?

I would talk to the locals in the area, and see what the "real skinny" is on an area. If you were to come to my town, and ask enough city council men "can I detect?" I'm sure you would find someone to tell you that you need a parade permit, blah blah blah. But if you talk to those of us who've been here doing it for 30+ years, we can show you were to go, where to avoid, etc... I would think it would be the same on a national level too, since it is obvious that metal detecting is routinely occuring in most of these supposed "off-limits" countries.
 
Andy makes the point that the finds are there because of the restrictions. Beachsweeper says he prefers to believe Kered. Thats his choice but Spain is a fairly big country and there's some areas where the authorities don't seem to bothered but far more where they do.
As this is a U.S. forum people should appreciate that they have to be very careful what they do and where or they will end up in trouble.

All the cases of people who lose their detectors are on public beaches and the most that can be said against their activities is that some have been water detecting whilst tourist are on the beach. The U.K. is now in its first stages of beach restrictions with the introduction of beach permits. Doesn't mean you can't detect but for a visitor from abroad or even someone who holidays in a different part of the country (your permit is for a specific area) then there is going to be increasing difficulties.

One final thing. Most European countries have the same law which is "stealing by finding". At home no problem as you rarely have people bothering to report a 9 ct band and your find is returned to you after a few months. Now if your the unlucky one who gets his or her luggage checked by customs how do you explain thirty or forty rings ?
 
Although brian is correct, People have had detectors confiscated, but as you say for being in or close to off limit areas or caught in posetion of archaeological finds, also on the beaches in Andalucia without proper authorization
 
I was there last year in spain and portugal - I was almost arrested in portugal for water hunting - you need a gov.permit - and it is almost impossible to get in Portugal if you not a citizen - I was told while in spain it was illegal also - but they have like 5 kinds of police and none of them rwally want to be bothered - but if you run into the wrong type of guy - who knows - they could confiscate your machine - fine you - maybe arrest you - maybe all of the above. I have seen posts from a few guys really cleaning up over there at certain spots - they are probably just lucky - a coupe of guys last year said they did run into police at a few spots that told them they could not do it at a particular spot and they moved on. Portugal almost turned into a nightmare - I hunted there a few years ago with no prob. Last year I hit a few beaches with no attetion paid then went to one spot - got in - started finding euros - next thing you know I got a marine police guy yelling at me and a bunch of MP's on the beach that surrounded me when I got to the sand. They asked if I had a permit - I said no and then they wanted my passport and machine. My girlfriend luckily speaks perfect Portugese and talked them first out of taking me in and then out of a $500 fine and finally out of conficating my equipment - needless to say I will not being going to Portugal again. I did meet one other TH'er while over there who is a citizen- he said obtaining a permit is alot of politics. He finally got one but it limits him to 2 small beaches - while others he knows got exclusive permits to hit huge beaches.
 
Hey Casper, thanks for chiming in here. I remember you having that unsavory deal, after heading over there last time. Could have REALLY want bad, had your gf not been able to communicate effectively with the officials. I guess blacksander and his team will just clean it up a few times a year and we can just drool! OH WELL, it's fun to watch, from the safety of the USofA!
 
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