ToniSteve said:
It is the same person that posted above. His handle here is Siliquae.sid his ebay handle is the same. Yes, google and the net changed a lot of things. It has not changed my ethics. My ethics would not have allowed me to do that to Joe, I don't know Joe other than what posts I have seen here and on other forums. I am not saying my ethics are the standard either, do as you like, keep setting your own standards. I know I would not buy a thing from either Siliquaesid or Critterhunter after what they have said and done here.
The moderators should take that ebay ad you posted off off here. In fact most of this thread should be deleted, it was about Joe's new idea, and at the point that critterhunter led it astray and off topic it should be deleted. That is just my opinion though.
Kind Regards,
Steve
So long as we stay civil here and not get personal I see no need to delete this thread.
Wooa there...You seem to be implying that I'm involved in selling an installation service for this meter like the link posted. Of course you won't be buying anything from me because I'm NOT selling anything. I have nothing to do with that link or any people who have posted in this thread. So long as we are talking about morals let's remember it isn't exactly ethical to start rumors about people.
Let's step back and try this one more time with one more comparison story...
Let's say you were the first person to put a certain brand of speakers in your GTO. That doesn't mean everybody has to pay you now to install them. You can no more patent that than the color of the sky. Your confusion may stem from not understanding how a volt meter works. There's no magic involved to get it to work with a Sovereign. It's DESIGNED to work with anything needing voltage to be monitored. Even has that information on it's data sheet for that very purpose.
Just like speakers are designed to play music, REGARDLESS of where or what they are installed in, volt meters are designed to show voltage, REGARDLESS of where they are installed. "But it's mounted in the speaker hole..." Once again, what if I mounted car speakers in a unique place on my car like say the headrest. Does that mean nobody can buy those speakers for their car or mount them in the same place without paying me? Of course not, and I will not be made to feel like a theif in doing so by any other form of twisted logic.
By your logic patio sets, car batteries, carpeting, security cameras....any possible product you can dream of that you feel somebody was the first to use is now off limits for everybody else unless they pay him to install it. Unless that product was invented by a person and not available for sale to the public there is no way you can force people to pay to have it installed.
On the other hand, there is nothing illegal about competition. So long as that meter is available to the public anybody could charge a fee to install it. Using the "brakes on a car" story in my prior message, imagine how much you'd pay if you only had one mechanic to take your car too. Not only are you saying that I can't put the brakes on myself but now I'm forced to go to only one guy to have it done. That doesn't sound like capitalism to me.
And, if ethics is the issue then I ask you who is more ethical- those who charge you to do something or those who will show you how to do it yourself for much less? For me $180 seems a little high for a few minutes of solder work, drilling, and calibration of something I can buy and install myself. Those who don't know how to solder or read a data sheet may think otherwise. Being in a free country I have freedom of choice and will not be forced or shamed into paying for something that I can do myself at a much lower cost. According to your line of thinking there are a ton of products on the market now that would be unethical to use unless we all paid for instalation by the first person to use it in a certain way. Not a different way than that product was designed to be used for, mind you, just being the first to use it.
You seem to be confusing the invention of a product versus using an existing product FOR WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. Inventing a product is a totally different thing than using a product as it's intended. A voltmeter is a voltmeter no matter how you use it. That meter is doing what it's designed to do whether mounted on a Sovereign or for any other purpose under the sun that voltmeters are used for. So long as this is a free country I can buy that meter and use it to make soup if I wanted to. If, however, a meter was designed and built for a specific purpose and was kept off the market to only be installed by the supplier they would have the right to control the market in such a way. Nobody can tell me where and how to use an existing product. If you can't see the distinction here then this country is in worse shape than I thought.
Hope you do well with the service.