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Sov to the beach in AM mode !!

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Cal_Cobra

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Went to a salt water beach yesterday with my Sov with the 12.5" Sunray S12 Intruder coil. I've always used it in disc mode before at the beach, but thought I'd force myself to use AM mode this hunt. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be (but it wasn't a super trashy beach either). If I'd hit a target that sounded like it might be iron, I'd flip it to disc mode, and sure enough it would null out.

One thing I thought was a BIG advantage with AM mode was that it's much more stable, and I was able to crank the sensitivity up a lot higher and keep the threshold nice and stable.

I'm an Sov AM mode believer now, well at least until I hit a super iron laden beach :rofl:

hh,
Brian
 
Hey Brian ! That's how I do it as well. ALWAYS in all metal and confirm in Disc. Its faster and perhaps deeper too as because many times i need to remove a shovel of sand so the disc mode can determine what it might be.

Best of luck out there on the beaches,

Tony
 
[size=medium]In the wet the Excal hits very deep...Video[/size][video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FudDaUYrnw&feature=channel_page[/video]
 
Hey Tony,

This particular beach is sanded in, so only new drops are showing up and their few and far between, need some hot weather, maybe after 4th of July it'll reseed :devil:

If I lived in Florida I'd probably live at the beach :poke:

Take it easy,
Brian
 
Joe real nice video, thanks for sharing.

sounds like your threshold is set pretty high, is that just the way its recorded or is that the way you run it?

that first target is a good one to illustrate the in ground depth versus the air test depth. they sure do get down deep:thumbup:

HH
Neil
 
If you wanted more depth why did you buy the 800 instead of the 1000 with the 10" coil?

Just think how much deeper the 1000 would go in AM mode.
 
Thanks Neil, I have learned alot from my own video's. The threshold is set to it lowest point just Auditable and I use Doc's Treasure Amp to Boost it up to where I can hear the faint signals And over the surf noise........ also helps so the camara will pick up the sound since it is water proof..Here are a couple shots of the getup on the headphones.......Thanks Again, Obn

Not being a Betting man,
I would say the Sov will go deeper then Excal in Wet Sand?

Willie Got both, Just happen to use this one that day...the 1000 has hit 20 to 22 inchs..in the wet
 
Hey Joe nice setup there. I see you did the same thing CJC did with the headphones, something I might be trying also. Headphones sure make a difference.

Id say it depends on the unit as to which goes deeper as some are hotter than others, giving the same coil size that is.

Id cover that second battery end there, I know things here get corroded super quick at the ocean.

HH
Neil
 
Hey ... thanks for taking the time to share this with everyone.
It is good information for Excalibur and Sovereign beach hunters alike.

Sometimes the beach seems clean ... just an inch or more depth could find the goodies.
 
Thank's for sharing the video OldBeechnut :thumbup:

I can't quite tell from the audio, but It looks/sounds like your digging all the AM threshold changes if they don't null in disc mode.

Your getting some crazy depth if you digging 20 to 22 inches in wet sand.
 
for a given sensitivity setting sov gt seems to go deeper in AM, to check the signals in discrimination i many times have to increase the sensitivity, otherwise for the really deep signals i wouldn't get any response in disc.
hh
 
I did get some very faint hits, I mean just barely audible but I could get them to repeat in AM, but no response in disc mode (they didn't null either, so apparently out of disc range).

Hmm...I see some mighty large holes coming. :detecting:
 
I don't do beach hunting and my hunting is in land where people have been for many years so there is metal items all over and find just the opposite as disc will go deeper in disc for my hunting. Maybe it is different on the beach with the water in the ground or not as trashy with small pieces of metal is why. I have got many signals in disc and when I switch to all metal pinpoint to do my 90 degree pinpoint there is no signal or one that I cant hear that is repeatable. Many I have to go back to disc and work around the signal to pinpoint it. I think some of this is because of the trash we have in land as in all metal it maybe seeing too much while in all metal and unable to pinpoint the single target and tries to lock on the strongest signal while missing the good target in with the iron on some cases. I also know in areas I feel may hold the deeper coins I seek I have to go slower than normal in order to hear the deep ones as many is just a tone change that is small and why I feel a slight threshold and not silent search will get me the deep targets.
There maybe different variable why we see some say they do better in all metal while others find they get deeper in disc, but I feel in all my in ground test on actual targets, not preburried target I find I get deeper in disc by going slower and listening to the threshold.


Rick
 
Rick(ND) said:
I don't do beach hunting and my hunting is in land where people have been for many years so there is metal items all over and find just the opposite as disc will go deeper in disc for my hunting. Maybe it is different on the beach with the water in the ground or not as trashy with small pieces of metal is why. I have got many signals in disc and when I switch to all metal pinpoint to do my 90 degree pinpoint there is no signal or one that I cant hear that is repeatable. Many I have to go back to disc and work around the signal to pinpoint it. I think some of this is because of the trash we have in land as in all metal it maybe seeing too much while in all metal and unable to pinpoint the single target and tries to lock on the strongest signal while missing the good target in with the iron on some cases. I also know in areas I feel may hold the deeper coins I seek I have to go slower than normal in order to hear the deep ones as many is just a tone change that is small and why I feel a slight threshold and not silent search will get me the deep targets.
There maybe different variable why we see some say they do better in all metal while others find they get deeper in disc, but I feel in all my in ground test on actual targets, not preburried target I find I get deeper in disc by going slower and listening to the threshold.


Rick
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i do not hunt beaches and still find AM deeper. do you turn the volume all the way up? i noticed it makes a difference. initially i had the volume to 3 o'clock or so and had the impression disc was deeper, but with all the way up i can hear the AM threshold louder than the disc one. i'm assuming u r using headphones ?
cheers
 
he has forgotten more than most of us will ever know about the Sov:clap:

Neil
 
I am not sure about the sov but I know at different beach up and down the east coast and gulf waters of florida the Excal has to be adjusted for each beach. And sometimes Discriminate goes deeper then the AM mode in the wet sand & surf. In the dry sand I would say Discriminate goes deeper all most all the time. In fresh water Am goes deeper every place I have been. So the best thing to do as far as the Excal is concerned is {or Sov?} would be, you have to adjust for each area And see what works the best. First thing I do when I hit the beach is Look for a very Faint signal in AM, Fine tune it to get the Strongest/Most Defined Signal....Then check it in Discriminate....From that point , I make a choice of the better of the two. Even then I am playing with the dials because conditions change every so often. I would recommend CjC's books on the Sov & Excal, For an person that wants a good Book as a reference ....Good Luck ...Obn
 
Yes I do run the volume all the way up as most dont know this is target volume as the threshold stays the same so some think being the threshold dont change the volume makes no difference where it is set, but max is what is recomended. I do use Headphone which I find the Timberwolfs are the loudest for the Sovereign after trying many differnt ones and find I can hear coins that are very deep in disc only and not in all metal pinpoint onmy older Sovereigns. Now I have the GT and never tried the track or lock, but in the pinpoint all metal I find disc is much deeper then all metal.
I run my GT in disc with the notch and disc turned off so only iron is rejected and have the iron mask on so I can hear the good targets close to iron so I do get a little more falsing but found a way to tell 85% of the iron falses. I also run a threshold so I can hear any tone changes and the sensitivity between 10-11 and sometimes at 9 which is maxed, but have to go a bit slower too. My deepest coin with both the Sovereign and the Explorers were with the Sun Ray 12 inch coil been between 13-14 inches deep and with Sovereign gave no signal in all metal as it was around a very old merry go round, but could hear that slight tone change. It could be the ground causing this because of all the trash in these old Parks. The one that really shocked me with the 8 inch coinsearch coil getting dimes and pennies that were 11-12 inches deep that I had to go super slow and only could hear the tone change. All metal pinpoint is not for me, but some do like it and if it does good for you that is great. It could be my hearing too as the tones are so much easier to hear for me than the threshold tone getting slightly higer volume.
 
OldBeechnut said:
I am not sure about the sov but I know at different beach up and down the east coast and gulf waters of florida the Excal has to be adjusted for each beach. And sometimes Discriminate goes deeper then the AM mode in the wet sand & surf. In the dry sand I would say Discriminate goes deeper all most all the time. In fresh water Am goes deeper every place I have been. So the best thing to do as far as the Excal is concerned is {or Sov?} would be, you have to adjust for each area And see what works the best. First thing I do when I hit the beach is Look for a very Faint signal in AM, Fine tune it to get the Strongest/Most Defined Signal....Then check it in Discriminate....From that point , I make a choice of the better of the two. Even then I am playing with the dials because conditions change every so often. I would recommend CjC's books on the Sov & Excal, For an person that wants a good Book as a reference ....Good Luck ...Obn
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Good info Obn!!

I have the CjC Sov/Excal book, and find myself going back to it time and time again. What I have been most impressed with is that I the Sov (same machine as the Excal, just not in the fancy waterproof housing) is that in AM it's more stable with a higher sensitivity setting, and I can hunt faster. In your video it looked like you were swinging the Excal pretty fast. In AM I think I could go that fast, but no way in disc mode (at least not keeping an audible threshold).

That's a good idea on the faint signal to test out the parameters of the machine. I tried shallow water hunting at a freshwater swimming hole last summer where I found a 14K gold ring, several .925 rings and a ton of clad (and the obligatory sinkers, fishing tackle and junk). I tried AM, but in AM it was pretty noisy (too many targets I suppose). I may go back to that swimming hole this summer and force myself to do AM, as I'm sure there has to be some deep stuff, it's been a swimming hole for over 100 years.

I'm definitely learning to tell good from bad targets in AM. These long drawn out targets have all been iron, and the ones that seem to be on elastic, as if they move around, more iron, and then there's the ones that have that double blip....while I know a double blip could be a coin on edge, these are more "mushy" double blips and thus far, they've been more iron. Coins have typically been small, but distinct blips (quick ramp up, ramp down) in AM. I haven't found any jewelery at the beach I've been working on so far the past week, but I know it'll come (I need to hunt it after the 4th of July weekend :devil:

hh,
Brian
 
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