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Somebody make sens [itivity] of all this for me...

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Hi ya'll,
Well as usual I came in at the tag end of the conversation and tried to make some sense of all this discussion reading through all the posts..
Let me see if I have this right.. if I don't...just a 'no' post from ya and I'll wade back through it all again... <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
If I set my sensitivity to 16 'Semi-auto', then no matter what type of soil conditions [prefect ground conditions with no external interference] The unit will never adjust <b>UP</b> past 16 on it's own???? Or will it override the setting and whistle merrilee along at 28-32?
Just got a new 8 inch coil so it's gonna be a whole new ballgame this season!!! I'm stoked! Never really had confidence in my stock coil as it's endured a few temper tantrums and I don't know if it's suffered some irreperable harm. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> I have found lots of great stuff with it but there were days... there were days....
Thanks for answering the above question and in advance may I say 'Thanks for not telling me to RTFM again'. <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin">
HH Tom
 
<STRONG>This may be a first but I really don't know!</STRONG> <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I think the confusion is somewhere between sensitivity set point and stability.</span> I am not sure how they compensate for external noise to maintain stability based on our sensitivity set point.
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<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">Minelab told me to adjust the sensitivity set point as high as I could and still maintain stability with Semi-auto ON or OFF.</span></STRONG> Again, they suggest semi-auto off is for less minerals and more experienced users so more effective depth is obtained with semi-auto ON. What it came down to was exactly what is in our User's Manual.
 
Cody,
THE MANUAL STATES ON PAGE 49
In the Semi-Auto mode the detector will continue to adjust the sensitivity as close as possible to the specified level. This suggests that the sensitivity will not be greater than the set level.
THE CONCLUSION AFTER THE ONGOING DISCUSSION ON THE FORUM
I was under the impression that the forum members had concluded that the manual was incorrect. The general impression was that in the Semi-Auto mode that the detector would adjust the sensitivity to a greater value than the setting if conditions would permit.
MY CONFUSION
Which is it?
HH,
Glenn
 
Reading this forum will put them in a padded room. Seems like we went around the horn and the manual is right. Don't you feel Minelab wants its consumer to get the most out of its machine and write an accurate manual..Hard as many try to make the Explorer a difficult machine its just not. Go slow read all posts with a grain of salt and go dig some goodies...theories are like anal cavities we all have them and mine is an Explorer is only as easy or hard as you want it to be..
 
Glenn, on Page 47,
"In this mode, the detector consinuously monitors the environmental conditions and will adjust the actual detector sensitivity as close as possible to your specified level of <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">stability</span>, dependion on these conditons."
I know what the fourm concluded but I have not made the decision for myself if that is correct. I respect the opinions of our group but still need to see more. At this point in time I think STABILITY includes more than just the set point for sensitivity. It appears to me that we are looking at Noise Cancel, Audio Gain, and Environmental Variables. I am not sure how they are factored in for stability and then the actual sensitivity is adjusted to our specified level of stability.
At first blush it seems that our set point would be as high as the sensitivity would go but that does not appear to be correct in semi-auto. It does seem correct if semi-auto is OFF. As you know stability is not thrown out the window just because semi-auto is OFF. I have no idea at this point in time what semi-auto does to stability but can very clearly hear the difference. What is odd is the way it responds at 28 compared to 1 if strong EMI is present.
I was told I could call the engineers in Australia but declined. The folks I talked to told me the information I was interested in was known only by the engineers so I assumed I was not talked to an engineer. In addition that some of the information was not protected with no specific mention of what that was. However, since I was talking about the microprocessor and how it was coded I also assumed that was protected information.
I have to go to Church so catch you later.
HH, Cody
 
I won't reprint the manuals statement again, but the verbiage certainly gives the impression that the semi-auto mode will strike to keep the gain as close to the desired setting as possible. This implies that it will adjust downward if required, all the while looking for an opportunity to keep it at the desired setting.
There is VALUE in allowing the user to set a maximum gain, and that is to restrict the achievable depth. In some cases the user may want to attempt to reduce the depth to a shallow figure, let's use the case of a lost piece of jewelry. The neighbor lady just lost her wedding band in the yard. She went out to do something in tha backyard (not digging or anything for this scenario) and when she came back in the house, she noticed her band was gone. A quick call the the detectorist next door with the hopes of finding it in short order. Well, our detectorist friend KNOWS it's not buried, and would just as soon not be bothered by deep signals for this simple hunt before the sun goes down for the day.
OK, a stretch? Perhaps, but I sure know it would be nice if I could read the manual, decide a setting of 3 is all I need (purely an example) and to know that the detector won't decide to jack the gain up for me, but might in fact move it down a bit should the conditions merit.
It simply flies in the face of common sense to include INCREASING the gain as "keeping close to the setpoint".
Now, here is a solution that applies to the OBSERVED ACTION of the detector, and that is to simply rename "semi-auto" to AGC or Automatic Gain Control. An AGC's job is to provide the maximum gain possible under current conditions, but never to increase the gain to a point where spurious artifacts (phantom signals, overload, etc...) are "created".
So, given the observed action of the sensitivity control, I will assume they really meant AGC, and that something got lost in the translation from the designer(s) to the manual writers. Nothing else makes sense, because we can all observe high gains with a sensitivity of 1,2, or 3 in "semi-auto" (AGC) mode.
DAS
 
I understand what you are saying so why not do this? Let's get administration to post in bold letter at the top of the forum "JUST READ THE MANUAL"
Who cares which fox we chase as long as we enjoy the chase? The forum is a place to have fun and relax.
Have a great evening,
HH, Cody
 
Mike Moutray's Explorer Setup
Due to the incredible demand from fellow Explorer owners to the settings I use, here is a listing and explanation of the different adjustments. Remember, that these settings work best for me in the particular situations I frequent - trashy parks - and although they work for nearly every other situation, you may find that a change in one or more of these settings will better suit the detector's performance for your hunting situation or personal preference.
1: First of all, I hunt in the Smart find Display... I find it infinitely more useful to provide an accurate graphic representation of the target than Digital Mode.
2: I hunt in the "Iron Mask" Function. This is nothing more than a simple discrimination pattern that provides for a very basic change in accepting or rejecting a progressive range of ferrous and non ferrous targets. I keep mine set at -10 which, in theory, accepts all non-ferrous targets. In practice it knocks out about 90% of all ferrous targets. (Ferrous refers to targets bearing Iron or Iron-alloys) Some stainless steel objects and bottle caps are accepted in this range, but they are not a nuisance to me. The reason for accepting such a broad range of targets is to allow the detector the ability to produce a steady sound on a deep target where the ID and tone may vary from the high coin range to the lower "junk" ranges. This is critical to allow the detector to pick up that first "initial hit" on the first sweep of the coil, regardless of whether it actually landed in the coin ID range or not. If you find certain areas of the accepted portion of the screen fall consistently in a particular nuisance junk target range, you can simply duplicate the Iron Mask pattern in the "Discrimination" Function, then use the "Edit" or "Learn" Display to "blacken out" or reject those nuisance targets. The resulting "Discrimination" Pattern functions exactly as the "Iron Mask" Function under detecting conditions. I prefer to not do these extra edits, as I've trained my ears and brain to block out the constant repeating "junk signals", and I often find it quite useful to have the constant drone of junk signals as a background reference when I am keying on the higher tones of desirable coin signals.
3: Sensitivity... I prefer to hunt in Manual Sensitivity setting for 2 important reasons. First, when the detector is set to Semi-auto Sensitivity, it often tends to "overcompensate" for many ground conditions, often resulting in an actual sensitivity setting at well below what I deem acceptable for getting the best depth and sensitivity performance. The detector tries to shoot for an operating condition of a fairly steady threshold, and in many ground conditions, this can only be achieved by sensitivity being set a very low value. In these instances, it is better to sacrifice a steady threshold for a little higher sensitivity value. Secondly, I prefer to have direct control over the sensitivity value depending on the depth of the targets I'm searching for. If I'm in an area with fairly shallow targets and deeper trash, such as an area of old soil over even older fill dirt, I don't want the machine to be "too hot" and pick up real deep trash. I may also want to have a better threshold present in trashy spots where it will affect the recovery and Smart find readings, giving me a better chance at separating and correctly ID'ing the good signals amongst the surrounding trash.
4: Threshold setting is simply a matter of personal preference, but I stick to the old rule of "barely audible".
MAIN MENU SELECTIONS
Display: Choice of settings here are simply which of the 4 Display Functions you are searching in... Automatically set by the dedicated "Search" button on the Control Pad. You should already be in Smart find. The other setting is screen contrast, which I have at the highest value of 10 - this makes the screen and especially the bulls eye on the Smart find function more visible... especially in high and low light conditions.
Select: This sub-menu is only for choosing Discrimination patterns. Since I hunt in "Iron Mask", I don't use this sub-menu at all.
Save: Same goes for this one.
Audio: Volume: Max Limit: This is set at 10 to allow the full volume potential of the detector to be utilized.
Gain: This is essentially a volume booster for faint audio signals from deep/weak targets. Ideally, one would want this set as high as possible to hear the faintest signals loud and clear but I run this at 6 for one important reason... I need to hear the difference between the loud shallow "clad" coin hits and the deeper "old" coin hits. When I'm in many park areas that are full of shallow pennies, I can't waste the time to stop and visually check the depth reading of every single coin hit! This would take valuable time away from my looking for the deep, faint signal that holds much more promise for a good target. My hearing is still pretty good so, with a top line pair of headphones (Gray Ghost/Timber Wolf/Thunder), I have no problem discerning faint audio signals from ambient noise.
Tone: Th. Tone: This sets how high or how low your threshold pitch is. I have this in the middle at 5, but this is strictly my preference.
Variability: This setting determines the maximum change in target tone from the lowest audio signal to the highest. Basically, the higher this value is set, the higher the tone for the high coin readings and the lower the tone for the lowest foil readings. I have this set at 8 so that the highest coin readings aren't too high, because certain junk targets like rotted iron, hot rocks, or large aluminum items sound off with a distinctive "shriek" of extremely high pitch. This allows for you to be able to not dig these telltale signals ( Be aware, coins in very wet soil - especially after a fresh rain, may produce this high "shrieky" pitch) With Variability at 10, it is too difficult to tell the highest coin readings from the high shriek of a hot rock or aforementioned junk item.
Limits: This setting control only how high the pitch is for the highest audio reading, and I keep this at 10.
Sounds: This setting determines which way the "low to high" axis of tones is represented on the Smart find Display. "Conduct" is the axis where the lowest tones are at the bottom of the screen and the highest tones are at the top of the screen. "Ferrous" is the axis where the lowest tones are at the left-hand side of the screen, and the highest tones are at the right-hand side of the screen. "Const" or Constant simply allows for no Tone variation in the target audio signal, regardless of where it hits on the Smart find Display. This never applies to any of my hunting situations as I hunt by tone, and not merely the presence of an audible signal.
Conduct and Ferrous each has its advantages and disadvantages. I hunt almost always in Conduct - where the highest tones are at the top of the screen. This can be a disadvantage for older, deeper coins that tend to read on the right edge of the screen, but lower down from the top edge and, consequently, lower in tone. Here you have to train your ears to listen for the "slightly-lower-than-coin" signal tones or you could miss out on a nice find whose tone is decreased because of being at an extreme depth. The Ferrous setting allows for the highest tones to come from targets that read on the right edge of the screen, and works best when you are searching for any REAL deep signal, where they tend to ID at the right edge of the screen. The main drawback is the tendency for certain iron targets to ID at the right edge of the screen as well as good targets. Bottle caps read off the right edge of the screen near the bottom, and can be very pesky as they sound the same as good "coin" hits. Rotted nails and other small iron also tend to hit here, some more stubbornly than others. If you are in an area lacking these nuisance Iron targets, the Ferrous setting, will best serve for hunting the real deep coins, otherwise, I stick to "Conduct".
Options: Advanced: Should always be darkened.
Noise: Displays the current value of the "Noise Cancel" function. The Noise Cancel has a dedicated button on the Control Pad. You can manually set this value here... especially when hunting in the presence of other detectors or non-constant interference sources. This essentially works as a "frequency shifter" feature that you find on other detectors, and can be used in competition hunts for fast adjustments to maintain stability when around other detectors. I haven't heard or proven that the value has any affect on detector depth, sensitivity, or operation so there is no "optimal" setting here, just where ever it is - it is.
Response: I always hunt on "Normal". I have experimented with the other settings and although they (mainly audio1) have their advantages in extremely clean ground to maximize the audio response of a target, I find them impractical in the context of most park hunting where target separation and tone representation are adversely affected.
Recover: Fast: I have this turned on most times except when I'm in very clean ground, I'll turn it off. This has the effect of making a faint audio signal "wider" in the sweep of the coil - the detector sort of grabs hold of the signal and sounds it out longer than with Fast turned on. In trashier situations you need Fast on so that the detector can process a signal to an audio and visual response on the meter faster and reset for the next signal to be processed - this is referred to as "target separation".
Deep: I always have this turned on! Never found a reason to have it off. Be careful to turn this on when you first set up your machine as this is normally off in the preset mode.
Settings: This is where you can store different detector operating values and parameters and change from one set back to the other depending on changes in your hunting situations. I never use this, as I prefer the long and tedious task of making individual changes to several values when I change hunting situations.
Other "Settings" and tricks to get the most out of your Explorer:
Coils: There are several different coils available from Minelab and other "aftermarket" companies. At this time there are 5", 8", 12", 15", and elliptical coils available.... each designed to improve the detector's performance and operation over the "stock" 10 1/2" coil. I have tested these and I personally have no huge preference for one size over another or one brand over another.
The 5" works best in the heaviest of trash, highest mineralization, or in the tightest quarters. It gets Impressive depth, although understandably less than the larger coils, and can be used at higher sensitivity settings without loss of stability.
The 8" coil is an "in between" size for when you need improved target separation in trashier areas, but maintain as much depth capability as possible. The 12" coil is more an improvement in weight of the detector than in significant performance improvement. Its lighter profile provides more comfortable detecting while still maintaining full depth capability and coverage.
The 15" coil is currently the largest coil available (there are larger coils in the works as of this writing - so goes the rumor mill). It is the one to turn to for maximum depth and ground coverage... especially for hunting beaches, or large open areas like fields.
The elliptical coil (5"X10" I believe) was developed as a hybrid... to provide coverage of a larger coil, yet the target separation of a smaller coil.
Target Probes: THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST!!! Using the Explorer is made FAR easier when you have a good probe to assist in pinpointing and recovering targets. There are several handheld models available - all roughly equal in performance... each with about 1-2" sensitivity. The X-1 Probe from Sunray is a far superior pin pointer with twice the range and all the features of any coil as it is simply a second coil with a switch box. In my opinion this is the first accessory you need for your Explorer as it makes such a VAST improvement in efficiency of pinpointing and recovering targets. It is no secret that the Double-D design of the coils do not lend well to the best pinpointing job.... the X-1 probe greatly reduces the amount of digging and greatly ensures against accidental damaging of the target through careless or misguided digging.
Recovery Equipment: I've seen everything from pocket knives and dandelion diggers to pack shovels and specialized diggers and plug cutters used in recovery. Each has its merits.... the whole idea of recovery is to remove the target from the earth as quickly and efficiently as possible and with the least amount of damage to the ground as one can afford. In my hunting situation, I'm presented with many factors to consider in selecting the best recovery tool. I have to hunt in high profile areas where I am scrutinized by landowners and ignorant passersby alike. I also am in areas where anything short of a bulldozer won't raise an eyebrow from anyone. I have to deal with rock hard clay surfaces and deep floodplain soils.
Roots - large and small- rocks, cinders, manicured lawns, drained lake beds, beach sand.... the point is that there is an obvious need for different tools for the different sites. My main standby is a 14" long Bowie Knife... it is very durable, versatile, relatively cheap ($15 at the local flea market), and an excellent deterrent to unwanted personal interaction in the urban scenes - if you get my drift <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">. It can be used to probe out surface clad from the top layer of dirt, and cut DEEP plugs to reach far below. It can pry large rocks loose from hard ground without bending or breaking, and hack through tough roots. If I hunt a more "sensitive" area, I can turn to a less imposing tool like a Lesche Digger or a "Coin Popper". In the best of manicured lawns, out comes a probe made from a 10" flat bladed screwdriver with the end rounded off a bit. In the construction zone or lake bed, out comes my pack shovel... the army surplus kind that adjusts from straight trenching shovel to the "chopping scoop" angled shovel.
Headphones: The aforementioned lines of Gray Ghost / Timber wolf/ Thunder phones are the best as far as comfort, drowning out exterior noise and sound quality. These require the purchase of the Sunray detector stand with the built in headphone jack adaptor. For hot summer hunting, a lighter phone is recommended so that your ears don't fill up with sweat. I don't have any particular brands to commend, Inquire within the forums for the best models as there are some that will not work with the Explorer.
Final Word: This is a good summary of how to prepare your Explorer for a productive trip. But remember, the machine is only as good as the person swinging it. Old bits of timeless advice apply... such as Research, Research, and Research -
The 3 "P's" (Practice, Patience, Persistence), and putting your coil over the target. How well you go out prepared for success will dictate whether you will enjoy a rewarding relationship with your Explorer or a frustrating Nightmare. If you are easily discouraged, this is not the hobby for you!!!! If you are even mildly discourage able, consider searching for clad coins or something easy that doesn't require the work and dedication that searching hunted out parks for difficult to find coins does. Remember that there is a whole world of detectorists on the forums for you to gain Information, Experience, Confidence, and Inspiration from.... use that most important tool to it's fullest! Good Luck and Happy Hunting!
Mike Moutray - St. Louis, MO.
Question: What is the lowest point on the screen that you have seen the cross hairs and it still is a silver coin? Also the same question but how far left have you seen the cross hairs and it still be a silver coin? Also would you say silver sounds fluty like several notes playing on a flute as you sweep across the coin in the ground?
Answer: Mike, if the silver dimes are deep enough or on edge they can hit anywhere along the upper or right edge of the screen. Once in a while a really worn dime can read down into the screen near zinc penny. When they are deep, they do have the multi-tone "flute" sound. HH, Mike.
Question: What would be the LOWEST setting I could use to assure myself that I would pick up dime sized targets at 6" maximum depth?
I hunt older sites with little trash, and not much moved earth, and don't want to frustrate myself trying to get 8" or 10" when I only really want to be sure I don't miss something at 6" and have the better stability of lower sensitivity.
Answer: Don't run your sensitivity too low or you'll start to miss dimes on edge. A silver dime on edge at even 5 inches can be a very hard target to find if the sensitivity is too low. I never hunt below 16 manual... when I'm hunting sledding hills in winter I'll cut it back to 12 to avoid signals from stuff buried in the ground under the snow, but they still come through, so I imagine that the change in the sensitivity setting would have to be great to see a significant change in depth. HH, Mike.
Question: Help with AIR Tests
Answer: Make sure you have "DEEP" turned on and "FAST
 
who single-handedly destroyed the concept of "The Southern Gentleman".
Translated: Don't enjoy the discussion, simply don't participate.
Thanks.
DAS
 
No MR Varmit sir, Im Sick and tired of you guys ruining / Confusing these new Explorer users making them think that its to hard when its very easy and then they sell it when in all actuality you Techie guy dont find $hit all you do is talk about how the flux capacitors iner winding of the varies shunt performs the dooodle dooodle and then well guess what Hummmmm confused I know I almost sold mine in the beginning because I listened to guys like you .And how true it is Im not a Southern Gentle Man Im a Southern Redneck ask anyone theyll tell ya ..
 
Frank, the information is good and well worth printing. Try to take it easy and not let all this get to you. The debates and discussions create interest in the products advertised so no one needs to defend the detector. There are a lot of good machines out there just as there are a lot of good forums at this site. No one really cares who uses which detector other than someone that sells a particular brand or the manufacture. While I prefer the Explorer for my own use there are many other detectors I would suggest depending on what the user is looking for.
Anyhow the information by Mike is very good and well worth printing off. I am sure it must seem to you like many of us are know it alls but that is not intended. We are just passing the time waiting for some good hunting weather for the most part and attempting to help new users even if it is not as you think it should be.
Thanks for the information by Mike and have a good evening,
HH, Cody
 
Deep South I got to agree with ya here. I am newbie one month with ExII. Most of these veterans talked way above my head on this machine. I needed very simple questions answered. Some vets forgot what it was like to start with this machine. I was ready to sell in two weeks. Still am not impressed with it. Im just going to stumble on blindly until I dig and learn on my own..the hard way. Some guys here will send you some pretty tough guy messages....they know they can...because they are safe and hidden in cyber space. Truth is some people are real tough guys..cause they know they will never have to stand toe to toe with Deep South. Keep smiling and us newbies need you around...you may be a teacher and not just an intelligent vet detectorist. take care. <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
 
I'm new to the expl II but have used other detectors for a few years.Have been a member of a prospectors forum for several years now.Own a small dredge,find a little gold in michigan.I do my homework on a new tool such as the explorer,and I think i understand most of the functions.Sometimes I ask questions to communicate and just bs with the guys here.Till the ground thaws here in michigan.It is not wise to take the hard line with anyone that asks a question.Sure,we need to learn by doing,but what's a question for gods sake.Lighten up some,I have been operating boilers for over 25 years,there are some silly questions that have been asked of me,but I try to be patient and do what I can.We're here for about a 100 years and then poof,lighten up,any hostility here makes it more like the workplace,I enjoy the next unknown that's under the coil,even if it's clad.If someone takes offense to that,or me asking a simple question,maybe its not the place to be here,seems ok to me right now,but it's what you make it,scott.
 
You have to practice with your machine on your ground to figure out what any new detector is telling you. Heck I"m on my third different detector since getting back into this hobby in 2000. I found that with the Explorer you have to crawl before you can walk/run etc.
1: Swing the coil slow.
2: Repeat from different directions.
3: Find the center in pinpoint and swing over it in discrim. and it will help you identify the target.
HOPE this helps someone HUS EV
ps I'm sticking with my Explorer
 
Deep South was the one that started the name calling. All the rest of what you say is true with regrard to the information here. It has degenerated from a question and answer forum, to one man's pontification platform. Post after post, unprompted, as if he needs to post something for his adoring fans.
At first I thought I could ignore it, until I started looking carefully, which is when I realized that not only was some information questionable at best, much of it was downright false. Therefore, I saw the danger in letting the pontification go on uncontested which is why I even bother to post here.
I had seen WAY too many posts "very informative, thanks!!" where the information presented was WAY off base. When challenged, the author of those comments chooses not to defend the innaccuracy (a good thing, considering) but bobs and weaves, and then uses things like "all my posts end with an implied question mark" , or some such drivel.
In my mind's eye, if you are going to be posting in a "classroom" forum, you had BETTER have the information EXACTLY correct, and if you don't, you need to post your thoughts and ideas with OBVIOUS indicators that "I'm just pulling crap out of my @$$ here".
Having said all that, this page should be DRIVEN by newbie questions, and answered by those that have the answers, not pure conjecture. This is not the place to discuss our interpretation of the patents, this is a place to help new users use their machines.
Most of all, this is not the place for mental masturbation, this is a place to help users learn to use their detectors and FIND THINGS.
So then, in effect I agree with Deep South's assesment, my only disappointment in what he has posted of late is his unwillingness to even try and treat people with respect. To be fair, he's had to put up with what this page has degenerated into for much longer than I have, so he certainly deserves a bit of leeway.
I emailed essentially these comments to Deep South last night, giving him the opportunity to "uninvite" me from posting here. My point is this. If it is not obvious what my mission is here, and if it is not obvious that I am have at least SOME impact moving away from the mental masturbation fest and started to provide USEFULL information, Deep South, or for that matter ANY of you have the option to ask me to leave.
Why would I make such an offer? Simple, this page will either re-calibrate itself and become a forum for the newbie, or it will stay the same as it is now. I'dlike to be a part of the first, but have no desire whatsoever to be a part of the second.
DAS
 
about the techno mumbo jumbo. Now I don't proclaim to be the brightest guy that ever walked this planet, but why after much time in, and thousands of targets dug, do I not understand most of what is posted on this board? Actually I do know why, it's because it is totally not necessary to know most of this to be very successful with an Explorer. After several years using it and posting here I have my own opinions who really have a handle on this thing. You may be very surprised who I would exclude from that list. Nothing beats hours spent detecting as far as a newbie is concerned.
PS The Alabama redneck still rocks in my book. <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D">
 
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