Some TTF help "newbie"

[Gonehunting]

I read detectorfreak74's request for help. Well I too am new to Etrac and have only been using the stock program, there is a lot of nulling out. I have slowed way down and turned down my sensitivity to no avail. I have recovery deep off, recovery fast on, trash density high, ground difficult. I tried the TTF and only am diggin the best signals(as far as numbers are concerned) and I must be doing something wrong. Since changing I have only found aluminum foil and pieces of a hotwheel. I did turn down the sensitivity, one reason my sunray probe was not even close to being accurate. When hitting the switch I turned down the sens. and was able to find the targets. I did have trash dens high, ground diff, recovery deep off, recovery fast on. Any help on the TTF, would be awesome.
Also there is a youtube video of a guy with a large rusty nail and a coin, he scans it and can hear the coin. He removes the coin and it nulls out. Anyone who knows the video or knows the settings I would really appreciate it cause I've tried this even with a small nail and it only nulls. Again I am using the stock program. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[McDean]

So you are using stock coins pattern with TTF sounds, correct? If so, then you have to open the screen almost all the way up (little to no discrimination)
Goes4ever can help you on this one better than me...

However, if you want to reproduce the youtube videos results, try this and let us know...

conductive sounds, multitone, variability max, fast on, deep whatever... now go to quickmask screen and darken fe #'s 30 through 35... you should "hit" on the coin and null the nail... anxious to see the results as its been awhile since i tried this. i may have it wrong

I do know that opening the screen up has allowed me to find keepers that came out with rust stains on them and iron blobs right next to...

 

[utahshovelhead]

Over the past year there have been tons of posts and threads about TTF and how to best use it. Some really good info. You just have to use the search feature to find it. or scroll back thorugh the past. It can be very interiesting with all the stuff you will find on the forum as well.

Go 4 it bud.

 

[wvrick]

I found this video on how to set it up, hope this helps!

http://www.mlotv.com/view/761/first-time-e-trac-ferrous-2-tone/

 

[Gaz]

.....you really need to use an open screen to truely get the benefit from 2 tone ferrous. This will eliminate any nulling because you hear all the iron.
After a short time....you learn to drown out the low tones and tune into picking out the high tones. Some will scream out....some will be more subtle but they will be there.
I'm not quite sure why people use TTF with a pattern because it defeats the object of why it was developed.

You let the tones discriminate for you....not the pattern. It's the fastest way to use it.

JMHO.......Gaz.

 

[wvrick]

Quick Question... not trying to hi-jack the tread.

Is it easiest it choice "Quickmask" set the FE to 17, Audio to, 2 tone, Sounds to Ferrous,then in Expert Recovery Deep-off, Recovery Fast-on, and Trash-High?

Thanks!

 

[Gaz]

.....it's a good question but by bringing the Quickmask up to FE17....you're introducing masses of black to the screen which will cause nulling and drastically slow recovery time.
Hope that helps.....

All the best,

Gaz.

 

[wvrick]

Thanks!

 

[sugar]

ok i run with ttf all the time cant praise it enough find loads down in holes with nails ect if the etrac gives you a high bleep two way dig it ok have you checked some of gaz post he is the man but the gist of it is leave screen wide open just blank out very top line that means when you go to edit you need the smallest black square on the left at the top that will just blank out the number 1s i think its something like 1-1 to 1-37 and then 1-48 to 1 -50 this stops the iron falsing round and giving you a high bleep which would be very annoying as after you have learnt it you will just hunt by ear digging all the high tones ok now you can mess about with deep and fast i mostly work with both on but when you find a good target practise turning them on and off and seeing which one suits you its all about choice now the volume threshold needs to be turned down to 0 or 1 you dont need it trust me go out and hunt and dig every bleep and the etrac knows there is something down there NO YOU DONT KNOW BETTER THAN THE ETRAC lol anymore questions just come on here and ask there is always someone who can give you answers if you dont quite understand something ask again no worries we have all been there happy hunting matey

 

[Gaz]

.....can't add anything to that!!!!....Sug's has it spot on there!!

Gaz.

 

[Gonehunting]

Headin out right now to check the settings thanks guys I will post what I find and how that worked

 

[Gonehunting]

So you are using stock coins pattern with TTF sounds, correct? If so, then you have to open the screen almost all the way up (little to no discrimination)
Goes4ever can help you on this one better than me...

However, if you want to reproduce the youtube videos results, try this and let us know...

conductive sounds, multitone, variability max, fast on, deep whatever... now go to quickmask screen and darken fe #'s 30 through 35... you should "hit" on the coin and null the nail... anxious to see the results as its been awhile since i tried this. i may have it wrong

I do know that opening the screen up has allowed me to find keepers that came out with rust stains on them and iron blobs right next to...

Holy crap that worked. I used a 2001 clad US quarter and by itself scanned at 12-47. I used a rusty nail it scanned at 35's-40. With that setting nails nulled and quarter hits, it chimes in at 26-41 to 23-42. Thanks that's something to think about. May load that in quick mask and coin in the smart window and switch to see if it is something I can use in heavy iron...

 

[Gonehunting]

ok i run with ttf all the time cant praise it enough find loads down in holes with nails ect if the etrac gives you a high bleep two way dig it ok have you checked some of gaz post he is the man but the gist of it is leave screen wide open just blank out very top line that means when you go to edit you need the smallest black square on the left at the top that will just blank out the number 1s i think its something like 1-1 to 1-37 and then 1-48 to 1 -50 this stops the iron falsing round and giving you a high bleep which would be very annoying as after you have learnt it you will just hunt by ear digging all the high tones ok now you can mess about with deep and fast i mostly work with both on but when you find a good target practise turning them on and off and seeing which one suits you its all about choice now the volume threshold needs to be turned down to 0 or 1 you dont need it trust me go out and hunt and dig every bleep and the etrac knows there is something down there NO YOU DONT KNOW BETTER THAN THE ETRAC lol anymore questions just come on here and ask there is always someone who can give you answers if you dont quite understand something ask again no worries we have all been there happy hunting matey

Ok just saw this. I am going back out tomorrow this sounds like a winner I am learning more about this machine every day thanks Sugar...

 

[Gonehunting]

Ok I have loaded like u said Sugar. 1-37 48-50. Threshold at zero. Deep on, fast on, trash high, ground difficult. This the other settings response normal, volume limit 11, volume gain 17 threshold pitch 19, tone 2 ferrous, variability 26 limits 30 sensitivity auto. Btw I have tried turning the sens way down to all the way. I have merc dime and a square bent rusty nail at 4 inches buried in my yard. Its been there for goin on 3 years now. And I can't hear the dime... The dime when buried was under and touching. I can hit it sometimes with my X70 but its chattery. In other words wouldn't dig in realworld detecting.
What am I doing wrong on the Etrac?

 

[McDean]

Glad to hear that worked for ya gonehunting that's why you cannot trust the fe 12 line... it is obsolete in the iron and the signals will blend. It is also something to think about while in TTF mode because anything over 17 fe will indicate a low tone...

I would like to see a feature which allows the operator to determine where the tone divides because I would set mine on about 26-27... maybe future models will consider this perhaps in "expert" settings. There is also 4 tone I need to experiment with...

HH... dean

 

[sugar]

first of all from your original post you were digging foil ect well you either have to take a mental note of where they are falling on the id scale and ignore them chancing missing some silver if you get towards the 12 6 12 7 mark this is a trade off im afraid as they do sit side by side so first i must say cans and paper do come up as goodies, ok second problem you say you have auto sens at 30 but what is it actually running at when you first turn it on it will probably be about 19 if you go to the latest post on auto sensitivity you will see it take a little time to get up to a decent level and if it doesnt there are at least two methods there to increase it by several notches pumping as on the video and switching between auto and manual sensitivity so are you turning etrac on and going out to your garden????? i am starting with the obvious things first as when i go down in my holes i often have iron down there and also a goodie have you tried an air test with iron and a coin to see how far it will read all this is helping eliminate your problem keep coming back and maybe someone else will throw thier twopenneth in and we will get some answers for you by the way are you saying the etrac didnt sound off at all??????????

 

[Gonehunting]

first of all from your original post you were digging foil ect well you either have to take a mental note of where they are falling on the id scale and ignore them chancing missing some silver if you get towards the 12 6 12 7 mark this is a trade off im afraid as they do sit side by side so first i must say cans and paper do come up as goodies

I have notice I have dug a crapload of ring and beavertail pulltabs, but I don't wanna miss the jewelry or the hidden silver. Now this did produce a few older wheats and a rabies tag in a yard that has been hunted for over 20 yrs.. :thumbsup

, ok second problem you say you have auto sens at 30 but what is it actually running at when you first turn it on it will probably be about 19 if you go to the latest post on auto sensitivity you will see it take a little time to get up to a decent level and if it doesnt there are at least two methods there to increase it by several notches pumping as on the video and switching between auto and manual sensitivity so are you turning etrac on and going out to your garden?????

I am now letting the machine warm up to the ground before testing..

by the way are you saying the etrac didnt sound off at all??????????

it does sound off but it is the low tone can't get the high tone to hit. This makes me wonder what else I'm missing... Just a work in progress GH
again thanks for the help everyone...

 

[sugar]

glad to here you are letting it warm up so sensitivity is at a decent level the etrac is letting me know about the smallest of finds and sometimes in amongst iron so cant understand how you are not getting a high bleep very surprised anyway i will keep an eye on this post to see what you discover i will take a piece of iron down the field with me today and when i dig i will leave it in the hole and put iron over the top to see the response for you matey talk sooooon

 

[Gonehunting]

I'm still not hitting the dime but I have combed over the yard and checking all the high tones. I have learned what pulltabs and foil are in correlation to the numbers, I am still digging a lot of clad coins which is what is in this younger neighborhood. I did go to an old site of mine and hunted for about 20 min, and immediately found a 49 wheatie and a rabies tag from 1975. I am still wanting to practice on this machine before heading to the really good sites seeing as they are a long drive from my house. I want to say thanks and I appreciate the help. I am experimenting with the variability and limits settings. I really think this may play a part in why I am still missing the dime.. Now I can hit it with the quickmask at 30 it gives a signal of +-20 - +-14. But that is a really hard setting to use cause of all the different metals out there... I can say that the coins I'm finding, the X70 is not locking on so I am still very impressed...

 

[sugar]

ok what do you mean when you say quickmask at 30 is that the discrim you have put in there?????? as i said i run threshold down at 1 so no hum that makes you really notice when you get that good signal i run volume limit volume gain set at 30 i find it amazing that the etrac does sound off when the smallest find is under the coil if you dig a few pieces of iron it is all a learning process and one that is well worth learning when you go into well hunted areas and you are pulling up goodies when others have been unable to find them in years gone by it does make you smile good luck matey happy hunting