Another question guys. I came from the safari which I absolutely love found so many great things lots of silver coins. With that being said five minutes out of the box the Etrac made me feel like the Safari was a toy compared to it. But the question I have is do you guys feel that wheat pennies for example sound the same as silver dime on etrac? They Id different on smart find but in air test my ears could not hear difference. I messed with the variability setting maxed it out and could not, on ears alone tell difference between the two. The safari on the other hand can very easily. Nothing sounds like silver on safari except silver. I even had a non detectorist friend listen to the two on Safari and after hearing it few times could pick which hand had silver and which had the wheat a hundred precent of the time. Neither of us could with the Etrac. Am I missing something with a setting? Im in conductive also. By the way not knocking the machine if its the way it is that's fine will dig that sound regardless and have no problem digging all tones in that range. Just curious what your guys in put on this topic is.
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Silver Sound
- Thread starter Will1877
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Will, A 12-45 sounds the same if it is being made by a penny or a dime. The only thing I can tell you is if you get that 12-45 at say 2 to 3 inch's I have found those to be everything from a copper penny to a barber dime. How ever That same 12-45 at 6 to 8 inch's for me more times than not is silver. In my opinion Silver will give you those higher numbers deeper where as the copper penny at 6 inch's for me will almost always fall into the 12-40 to 12-42 range. But Have been fooled both ways and that is what makes this hobby so much fun. Nobody wants to hide their own Easter eggs this to some degree is always a surprise when you dig. HH Dave
sprchng said:
Exaclty. Play with your threshold pitch, air testing, wheats and silver, and you should be able to find a setting that you like and understand.
That being said, memorials can come in like wheats OR they can also come in like silver, all the way up to 48, I've found. One thing I've noticed is, that often, memorials will change on the 90. It might be 43 or 44 one way and 45-46 on the 90. Silver usually doesn't do this.
Another thing is that worn barbers and seateds will more likely than not come in the wheat penny range. The older wheats (pre 1919) have come in IH range for me also.
NebTrac
sprchng
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Goes4ever said:
This is interesting as I've heard many suggest the best way to run threshold pitch was at 1 and you're running the exact opposite. I have tried 1 and found it to be very tonally un-descriptive and above 25 just kills my ears. I spent a good deal of my life behind power tools and firearms so I always felt my hearing would be considered below normal. I find a pitch of about 19 allows me to get an audio discrimination break between nickels/gold and pulltabs that is pretty distinct. Clad dimes/quarters/silver still has it's special distinct tone. I also found that to maintain the low conductor distinction when I use the Grey Ghost Ultimate headphones it helps to increase the threshold pitch to 22.
Just goes to show how everyone's hearing varies.
Sorry 'bout the hijack Will
Will1877 said:
Variability, Limit and Tone no. settings are sort of inter-related. I would highly recommend that eTRAC beginners stick with the factory default settings at least for the first few detecting sessions. They will work just fine for a beginners level of experience with the eTRAC.
Correct if wrong but here is my understanding of these settings.
Limit will define the maximum audio frequency band width available (multi tones). The higher the setting, the more tone band width available to better delineate between low conductive targets and high conductive targets and anything in between.
The max setting will produce the highest tone available for a highly conductive target such as a silver dollar. At the maximum setting, a tone deaf person might not be capable of hearing that ultra high tone and miss that silver dollar...he'd have to set 'down' the limit to a point where he could hear a silver dollar tone. For a person with perfect hearing, the higher the setting the better.
Variability will for a lack of better words, further define the 'spread' of available tones from low conductive to high conductive targets. The higher the setting the more tone variation between low and high conductive targets. Minelab recommends a lower setting for beginners probably because too many different tones from too many different targets can be confusing at first.
Threshold pitch only changes the frequency of the threshold tone. A good option for tone deaf persons as they can set the threshold frequency to lower one that they can easily hear.
I'll agree the manual is somewhat sketchy explaining some of the settings.moonshine said:
Far as the threshold pitch, i've never monkey'd around with it that much. Just set the pitch where i could hear it adequately, then adjusted its volume level to just about barely audible dependent on the environmental ambient noise.
If indeed its true that changing the threshold pitch to a higher audio frequency allows better separation of tones, my guess that upping the setting thereby upping to a higher frequency could inadvertently also offset the the limit setting to a higher frequency bandwidth. Thats why high conductive targets might give a noticeably higher pitch.
If thats the case, upping the limit setting should accomplish the same result. I'd say that would be a subtle, makes little difference eTRAC bug per the owners manual. Some of these settings are inter-related whereas one setting could affect another.
Simpsonslammer
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Just curious.. what was the learning curve like going to the e trac from the safari ?Will1877 said:
Moonshine and ironsight you guys are scary! Way to smart ha ha. But tell you what I get what your explaining very nice job. Thanks for the pic shine that helped. Goesforever you can take it to the bank that I do what you say very informative always keep fingers crossed one of you fellas respond to a question I post. Helping me understand this beast of a machine extremely well.
[size=x-large]BOO[/size]Will1877 said:
This just goes to show you all new to the eTRAC that even some of us that have been using the machine for a long while can maybe still learn a thing or two!
Far as this threshold pitch thing, gonna play with it a little if the weather ever breaks and see what happens.
Even if playing with the setting has a noticeable effect using Multi tones, it'll have no positive effect for TTF which i've been primarily using.
Simpson I can't tell you yet buddy only have hours on the trac. Loved the safari though did fantastic. From what I can tell I made the right call moving to the trac. Shoot I knew I made good call when turned it on! Come on guys no one said it made that sweet little song when it powers up dang! Ha ha love it. But as far as learning curve there is wealth of knowledge right here on this site . These guys are awesome. I want to hunt with them so bad.
sprchng
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You're welcome.
Now apply what you have discovered about pitch to copper/silver tones to the gold/nickel/tab zone and watch the color of your finds change considerably. You will find there is a different tone to quality targets from conductive 4 to 14 that you shouldn't ignore
Now apply what you have discovered about pitch to copper/silver tones to the gold/nickel/tab zone and watch the color of your finds change considerably. You will find there is a different tone to quality targets from conductive 4 to 14 that you shouldn't ignore