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DeepTech

Silver Sabre & uMax Questions --- "hot" Machines?

M

Michigan Badger

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Greetings!

Here's my questions:

What is the main difference(s) between the original 1983 Silver Sabre and the Silver Sabre II ?

Also, do the older Silver Sabres get the depth of the new Silver Sabre uMax?

And lastly, are there really "hot" individual detectors that go extra deep? I mean are some somehow superior to the majority of other machines of the same model?

The reason I ask this question is because some claim that not all new Tesoros of the same make and model come from the factory with the same depth potentials, etc.

Thanks,

Badger
 
What is the main difference(s) between the original 1983 Silver Sabre and the Silver Sabre II ?
The monolithic housing comes to mind, for one. Much easier to use and darn near interference proof. It got smaller, too, and helped pave the way to the low noise/low power/high-gain circuits Tesoro is now known for. The batteries changed, too, AFAIK - 2 9V's.

Also, do the older Silver Sabres get the depth of the new Silver Sabre uMax?
The "new" model is merely the Silver, not the same as the earlier Sabre models. Between them, the earlier ones are the better choice - but there is one that beats them... read on, Grasshopper.

My first Tesoro detector was a Silver Sabre II. I found plenty of good stuff with it. When I got my hands on my first SSuMax, my inital thought was, "How good can this little toy be?"
Then I turned it on. "Man this thing is hot!," I said. It was much sharper and not near as smooth, but it had what I reckoned to be more depth potential. I liked the operation of the old SSII better; that thing was butter smooth. The SSuMax was sharp, but less restrained.

And lastly, are there really "hot" individual detectors that go extra deep? I mean are some somehow superior to the majority of other machines of the same model?
The reason I ask this question is because some claim that not all new Tesoros of the same make and model come from the factory with the same depth potentials, etc.
Can't say much about all that foofaw. I have had several SSuMax models and couldn't really tell much difference between them. I think some people dream up more than they can substantiate. Get lucky one day and happen on a good find - - from that moment on, whichever detector you had at the time is going to be a gem... deeper, faster, better. you get the idea.

I hear these questions all the time on all the forums, and I wonder: Just what are you (and others) worried about?

No matter what your concerns are (BTW, you will NEVER get it all), there is a very simple solution. It will cost you roughly the same, in $$, as the experimentation I suspect you are contemplating with a SSuMax. It will assuredly save you much time in...

A. Scrounging ebay, looking to beat out other snipers like yourself.
B. Keeping up with all the want ads you plan to place on every website.
C. Calling all the dealers for any "secret" deals they have stashed in the back room, etc.

Here's what I recommend.

1. Collect up all the money you intend to shell out for a SSuMax.

2. Now, DON'T BUY ONE. Hold on to the dough for the moment...
Patience, Grasshopper.

3. Next, add in the extra cash you plan to honk up for coils and the other additions all the "experts" tout. That will come to about $100-$125 +.

4. Find a used Vaquero.

5. BUY IT.

6. Go detecting.

I got my "V" for 375$ and that included an extra coil, scuff covers for both coils and a carry bag. A good deal; yes. One I'll bet you can duplicate, from what Ive seen.

If your intent is to go looking, follow these recommendations. I can tell you that the Vaquero is what every SS, of any vintage, ever dreamed of being. If you dont like it, I'll buy it from you.
 
I agree with the general message I think you're communicating.

Like many into this hobby I like to try different detectors and part of the "fun" is seeing what they can do (or could do).

I'm really not looking for a new brand for myself. I did this post mainly for fun and to see what types of comments it would bring. In fact, that's why I do almost all my posts.

For some time now I've been using the Tejon and Nautilus IIB and have done very well with both. But my personal all around favorite is the Tejon. It's even deeper than the Vaquero (according to Tesoro) and one can even get better deals on it than one gets on some used Vaqueros. I marvel at how many today dislike the Tejon. It's nearly the perfect coin/relic machine (in my opinion).

But back to the Silver series. I have a friend in the U.K. who swears by the old Silver Sabre. Over there trash iron is a major problem at ancient sites. So they modify old Silvers and there's like this "cult following" over there for it amongst the "old timers."

So, this has been mostly for educational purposes to see if this unique thinking about an old model type had any support here in this country. By what I'm hearing, it does. I've had several THers come out of the woodwork to tell me the old Silver line (modified) is their only machine. I find this interesting to read about but again I'm personally happy with Tejon.

Thanks again,

MB
 
There is a love-hate thing going on with it.

You either love it, in which case you have probably learned to turn it down from time to time and understand it's subtleties.

Or you hate it, probably because you have tried to use it in the wrong ways, in the wrong places, or both.

Much the same thing happened with the Fisher 1266-X. One of the better detectors I ever had, it often fell into disfavor because it was labeled as a relic machine and was reported to be unstable and "loved iron."

Sounds like the same guff you hear about the Tejon, eh?
 
DavHut knows his business...
 
[quote DavHut]There is a love-hate thing going on with it.


Sounds like the same guff you hear about the Tejon, eh?[/quote]

Yes, you got that right! When I first got my Tejon I was planning on this really tuff learning curve due to what I had read online. Shoot! it was about the easiest machine I've ever used. I wouldn't even dare write how deep I've dug coins with it in landfill areas.

One fellow on another forum wrote that he got no depth with his Tejon so he sold it. When I read that I was like thinking did he forget to turn it on?

HH,

Badger
 
because Monte made a post a couple of years ago, on that site, that detailed every change the Silver series has gone through. Unfortunately, I dont have a copy anymore of the whole exposition that he went through. It was quite thorough! Perhaps you could contact him by PM to get the real scoop on every change this detector has seen. I think he usually hangs out in the Whites forums.

J.
 
[size=small]... to man up a dedicated Tesoro site, pro bono. In fact it has been attempted already, with hightone (Dan) as originator and yours truly as plankowning guest moderator.

Dan did a great job, remaining faithful to the orginal Tesoro site and with every intention of becoming a landing site for when the Tesoro Home Forum went tits up - which it seems was rumored prior to. He really committed himself and made a fanstastic effort ... and got zilch in the way of support.

The Tesoro users of the world merely yawned at the whole thing, with something like 4 users total registering (including Dan and myself).

And Tesoro, Inc.? The Giffords themselves were too busy to even respond when Dan asked for their blessing on the project. That stewed my tomatoes somewhat, but I never heard their side of it, so remained mum.

The outcome hurt his feelings, I suspect, and now Dan has washed his hands of it. Can't say as I blame him. Too bad, as he was the perfect board owner - dedicated to the task and devoted to the fans. In the end, it probably suffered for lack of marketing and exposure, as is usual with start-ups...

C'est la vie.[/size]
 
and somewhere in what is now a hopeless mass and mess of boxes from moving I think have Monte's post. And he seems to have forgone the Tesoro for other makes predominantly Whites. His knowledge of the Tesoro line was remarkable and I'm certain he had his reasons for moving on but I do miss his insightful responses on the Tesoro detectors. Actually he was responsible for my purchasing the Eldorado uMax that I still have and use. Fortunately we have a few knowledgeable posters like DavHut who are a big help.
 
[quote Pap]Fortunately we have a few knowledgeable posters like DavHut who are a big help.[/quote]

like DavHut and rentasquid, etc., over at TreasureNet too. It's people like this that make these sites!

Well, us filler persons have our place too :smoke:

I've heard many good things about the Eldorado uMax. Me and about 1000 others are looking for one.

Best to all you awesome people here! :beers:
 
And as for the Eldorado, if I ever find TWO, I'll let you know! MB, for a "filler," you'll do - you are the undisputed ruler of the Tejon :)
 
but I'm going to anyway! I have learned a ton from Monte, JB(MS) and Scully. I have really appreciated their well thought out and informative posts in the past!!!! Kudos to you guys!(if you even read this ;))

J.
 
I do READ a lot of forums, but have to admit I have stayed away from what were the three popular Tesoro Forums for a while for various reasons. Oh well, that's another story. Right now we're talking about some of the best models that made Tesoro a household name, so I found a reply I made in March of 99 on a forum and edited it a bit. Let me first quickly address a couple of your questions:

What is the main difference(s) between the original 1983 Silver Sabre and the Silver Sabre II?... See my write-up below.

Also, do the older Silver Sabres get the depth of the new Silver Sabre uMax?... There were only four (4) Silver Sabre models as I relate below.

I wonder if you're confusing any of these with the current or last offered Silver
 
I have been around but there got to be so many forums I was spending a lot more time reading them. Then when I was posting a lot on many I was getting swamped with E-mail (an am still trying to catch some of that up) and along the way I had a computer failure then damage by Fed-Ex on it's return.

So, slow but sure I have been narrowing down the number of forums I have in my regular read-and-respond folder. Right now it is at 7 and I don't want to have more than 10, if that.

Some health issues have slowed me down a lot, but I am getting out as much as possible, and looking for a choice (and I mean both physically and performance wise) Bandido II
 
the detailed info.

So I guess the sum is that some older detectors may have had some better features than some newer models but depth-wise the newer models are usually better (Am I close?)

You probably know that in the U.K. there's like this "cult" following for the original Silver Sabre (1983). In fact there's even a modification shop over there that modifies the original Sabre for the old timers who still favor this model.

Also, one of the largest online dealers in the U.K. uses the original Sabre (modified) himself. In fact, according to an email he sent me, he prefers it to the latest expensive machines on the market.

One online chart claims the new Silver uMax fitted with a 9x8 concentric web coil gets more depth than the Tejon.

If you'd like I can send you links to these sites but don't think I ought to post them here.

Thanks again,

Badger
 
be careful with your health. us "older" guys need to watch our diet and try not to hurt ourselves. I still have and use that Eldorado uMax that you were responsible for my purchasing along with a couple of other detectors. Are you still using the X5?
Pap
 
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