ShootOut! CTX3030/XP Deus/Fors Core/Velox one/CF77

[NiagracountyNY]

Us Dime under a Large Rusty Nail 6 1/2 inches deep.My results https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ovwAnJKsA&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z13zzf25yqipcvdn522bx5ybfkinxbqsk

 

[ironsight]

Enjoyed the video. Looks like you went out of your way to be fair with the testing too...good job
Never heard of some of those detectors.
Surprising the CTX performed so badly with the stock coin pattern and even open screen. For a 6.5 inch nail that thing should of screamed at least iron grunts in one direction.
Don't remember from the video, what was the sensitivity setting on the CTX?

Based on the video, gonna try experimenting again by digging more iron 'iffy one ways' with my eTRAC and see if any coins are hiding under iron. I've been ignoring solid iron 35 IDs in one direction but occassionally come across an iron ID one way of around 30 which i've been ignoring lately. Dug some of those in the past and they were always small corroded nails or screws but you never know.

 

[basstrackerman]

Im pretty sure he said 30 sens...i may be wrong... My etrac i thought would id better with some disc..ive had alot of targets read ok then i used quick mask to open screen and cursor went straight to bottom right corner of screen. No jumping around at all...then change back to disc screen which was full open with 27 down disc'd out then my ok signal came back..most every time that it was a good target it was something copper like penny (older pre 82) or the rest of the time it was a small round piece of rusty metal....i just delt with it.. I always thought the etrac suffered around rusty metal and seem to do well around aluminum trash. I just sold my etrac

 

[ironsight]

Yeah Bill, from some testing i did a while back, the eTRAC does have some problems with a large chunk of iron masking a nearby coin.
Having said that, i have found a lot of coins with iron in the hole most with iffy IDs. Found a Barber dime one time with a nail actually touching its side causing rust marks on part of the dime. It rang up with a diggable silver ID with jumpy iron grunts in one direction but it was only a few inches deep.

I think the worst scenario for the eTRAC is the one shown in the video with iron directly on top of a coin. A larger coil seems to help this i think because it can receive target information more laterally as opposed to a small coil which receives target information more vertically masking the good target more... all dependent on depth, the distance of the iron above the coin and the phase of the moon. My small coil almost always gives good silver two ways that turned out to be deeper corroded nails.

When i search a new area infested with nails, i typically discriminate some but not all iron out to find the easy stuff faster using 4 or multi ferrous tones and if i get iron grunts or potentially good iffy IDs, switchover to QuickMask for further investigation. Then i'll resweep that area much more slooowly with an open pattern again using ferrous tones but this time i'll typically use TTF to find any deeper or trickier targets.
The vast majority of my 11+ inch keepers were found using open mask and ferrous tones.

 

[mrwilburino]

Keep in mind, the CTX is up against three old-world iron pickers in this test. They're different machines with different strengths.

 

[NiagracountyNY]

The ctx strong points in my opinion are cherry picking targets in normal trash under 8 inches.All the machines I used in this video get more depth than the ctx as well.I have found tons of great finds with my explore,etrac,ctx with iron in the hole.That said Im now going back through my sites finding alot of good signals with these faster,deeper machines.Minelab has very good target VDI.Thats another strong point.But after 8 inches acuracy drops fast.It seems these European machines are in a different class.Designed for finding everything on iron drenched sites.They are vacuum cleaners .VDI isnt always a demand,just a tone that says NOT IRON.The Fors core and the Deus have very acurate VDI .If the European companies start giving us more VDI,Target info I think More park Hunters would enjoy them.

 

[foreign object]

Appreciate the time on the video and giving us a peak at two machines that I knew nothing about.

Having said that there is no way that the CTX would not at least hit the nail in a open scream. Something is astray.
I can understand it not hitting the coin in stock coin mode as the disc. Covered up any chance for the most part.

One question is why did you Ground Balance the CTX?

I would like to think that the CTX can be made to report the coin but not sure. Will give it a try though.
Maybe combined with ferrous line 33/34 and 35 disc out and ferrous line set at 24 or so.

Thanks for your time making the video.

FO

 

[NiagracountyNY]

I ran an open screen watch the video

 

[JimmyCT]

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[ironsight]

......Minelab has very good target VDI.Thats another strong point.But after 8 inches acuracy drops fast........

Not being critical and i did enjoy your video but just curious, how many hours do you have on the CTX?
It really should of screamed at least iron at that large 6.5" nail in open mask. This is why i like these detector comparisons, it opens up discussion.
And thanks again for testing a couple detectors i never heard of. Just might look into some of them as most old parks here are nail burial grounds.

You've got 4 different detectors there, don't know if they're all yours, some borrowed for the test or if you used them all extensively in the field. What i'm getting at, there's probably something to be said for sticking with just one detector, learning it and having it eventually become an extension of the arm and more important the brain.

Its said Minelabs have a long learning curve. In my experience thats true for finding the deepest of the deep or trickier targets. It took a lot of detecting time with the eTRAC before i was digging up 12 inch deep coins.
Yes a new Minelab owner with a half hour or so familiarizing himself with his new machine can go out using a stock pattern and detect real time and even find some of the easier keepers.

Don't have a CTX but an eTRAC. I'll somewhat agree with the ID starting to go sour for coins deeper than 8 to 10 inches. I'll disagree with the its not a deep detector.

Back to the ID and targets deeper than 8". Just about every coin i dug up deeper than 10 inches did NOT have a solid so called standard ID for the coin. This is where a preferably open or highly watered down discrimination pattern works best for finding the real deep targets with the eTRAC. The tones might indicate a foot deep conductive target is down there like a coin but the ID is either radically jumpy and out of the targets standard ID. Because the IDs are not accurate for these deep targets and using a stock or tight coin pattern, a 12" deep coin could likely be discriminated out and walked over by an inexperienced or new Minelab user.
The eTRAC will detect beyond 12", it just will not have accurate IDs at that depth but somewhat accurate conductive/ferrous tones. This is where experience or a long learning curve comes into play.

My eTRAC depth record for a silver dime is 14" maybe more if the grass is factored in, granted with using my NEL Tornado coil. It had nowhere near a solid 12-43 ID.

 

[foreign object]

I ran an open screen watch the video

I did watch the video sir.

Do you have really bad soil? Still curious why you did a GB. Never seen a reason to myself. I can easily hit a dime at 10 inches and still stumped why you could not get a solid iron tone. Running in conductive may be the reason. I don't know as I always use combine with ferrous coin.

FO

 

[NiagracountyNY]

......Minelab has very good target VDI.Thats another strong point.But after 8 inches acuracy drops fast........

Not being critical and i did enjoy your video but just curious, how many hours do you have on the CTX?
It really should of screamed at least iron at that large 6.5" nail in open mask. This is why i like these detector comparisons, it opens up discussion.
And thanks again for testing a couple detectors i never heard of. Just might look into some of them as most old parks here are nail burial grounds.

You've got 4 different detectors there, don't know if they're all yours, some borrowed for the test or if you used them all extensively in the field. What i'm getting at, there's probably something to be said for sticking with just one detector, learning it and having it eventually become an extension of the arm and more important the brain.

Its said Minelabs have a long learning curve. In my experience thats true for finding the deepest of the deep or trickier targets. It took a lot of detecting time with the eTRAC before i was digging up 12 inch deep coins.
Yes a new Minelab owner with a half hour or so familiarizing himself with his new machine can go out using a stock pattern and detect real time and even find some of the easier keepers.

Don't have a CTX but an eTRAC. I'll somewhat agree with the ID starting to go sour for coins deeper than 8 to 10 inches. I'll disagree with the its not a deep detector.

Back to the ID and targets deeper than 8". Just about every coin i dug up deeper than 10 inches did NOT have a solid so called standard ID for the coin. This is where a preferably open or highly watered down discrimination pattern works best for finding the real deep targets with the eTRAC. The tones might indicate a foot deep conductive target is down there like a coin but the ID is either radically jumpy and out of the targets standard ID. Because the IDs are not accurate for these deep targets and using a stock or tight coin pattern, a 12" deep coin could likely be discriminated out and walked over by an inexperienced or new Minelab user.
The eTRAC will detect beyond 12", it just will not have accurate IDs at that depth but somewhat accurate conductive/ferrous tones. This is where experience or a long learning curve comes into play.

My eTRAC depth record for a silver dime is 14" maybe more if the grass is factored in, granted with using my NEL Tornado coil. It had nowhere near a solid 12-43 ID.

Hello Ironsight.I have had the ctx for about a year and a half,The etrac about 3 and the explore se for about 2.I have had great luck with all the machines.Ive used just minelab for years.Id like to think I know how to use them..My collection of goodies isnt to bad.Ive work alot of very hard iron litered cellar holes for years.And ive done the park thing also,thats where the minelabs shined.Good acurate vdi.But if you have used minelabs in bad iron you have ran into the very slow recovery rate,and the constant null.The ctx did hit the iron loud and clear in a wide open screen...but thats all we could hear.I was testing discrimination.The ctx did give good vdi sometimes,but no audio which is how I hunt.I own all the machines.I'm a junky for the best.I am going back through my old sites and finding alot of masked targets with these new units and the deus.We all know the Deus is killer for masked targets,but for less cash there are other choices that work well.The Etrac is not the ctx ,but I feel the ctx has all the E-trac in it and then some.Thats why Im keeping it.It has its place.Im not saying your E-trac wont find 12 and 14 inche targets but go bury a dime and try to pick it up at 10 inches with the 11 inch coil.You wont be happy.I ground balanced to be fair to the machine.I promise it didnt make a difference.I manually balanced them all except the deus which I dont think I even balanced period.By the way I used the sef 17x18 on my E-Trac alot.Deepest find was a 3 ringer at 15 inches.No id just a little tone.

 

[ironsight]

OK, i watched the video again paying close attention to the CTX. You're right Niagra, It did detect the nail in open mask but its hard to tell the sweep directions from the video.

Again, its hard to tell the sweep directions but in discrim. mode i did see some definite random coin ID squeaks. Depending on sweep directions, relatively quiet ground, etc. i definitely would spend some investigating that target further as whether to dig or not. Some of my best deep eTRAC finds have been analyzing similar target indications with random conductive squeaks among iron grunts using ferrous tones of course.
But just as important, its the target's depth reading that is the determing factor coupled with all the other indications including gut feelings on whether to dig or not.
Yeah, sometimes you just got to slow down and forget winning any races with Minelabs. I don't guzzle down any coffee before detecting! lol

As an aside, i've covered the same hot spot grounds numerous times using the same settings usually finding a keeper or two every time i rehunt that same area. Just when i'm ready to give up on that piece of ground, i try one last time and find another oldie. One would think 'all' the keepers would be found during the first sweep but thats not how it works for some reason.
One reason could be clearing out some junk every detecting session on that ground which makes it a little easier to detect walked over coins during previous sessions.
Or changing soil dampness, differing ambient temperatures, sweep speeds, different sweep directions, concentration, etc. who knows!

 

[lse450cc]

The CTX will do a lot better. Set the CTX to two tone and set your Ferrous to 34 .and set your response tone to long.and run open screen.You will dig some iron at this settings but I'm sure any detector that can pick this up in four directions you will be digging some iron. Hope this helps for some people with the CTX in iron sites. The higher you raise your Ferrous line the less iron you will dig.

 

[NiagracountyNY]

I did run two tone.The ferrous line will not matter.Its best you take your ctx outside and plz try this yourself.Please post your results.

 

[Hightone]

Quite impessive. This video shows 6" coil depth like I've never see.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERKQ39-6GsQ[/video]

 

[Old California]

Thanks so much for sharing this great video, Appreciate you taking the time.

I'm seriously looking at getting either the Fors Gold or Fors CoRe, Think you mentioned in the video or I heard somewhere else the Fors CoRe is deeper than the Fors Gold? If it is do you know by how much?

And do both have the lowest tone for iron? When I hunt prefer to hear all audio including iron, Appreciate the help and Thanks again for sharing.

Paul (Ca)

 

[NiagracountyNY]

The fors core is not deeper than the fors gold.They should be the same.Just the gold has a few features gold hunters would like.Yes you can hear the low tone for iron in a couple of the modes.I like to run the Iron audio on as well sometimes.

 

[Old California]

Thanks for the information, that is great both fare the same depth wise.

Just ordered the fors gold, I'm hoping the extra sense to gold and able to handle mineralition will enhance separation in poor ground laced with iron.

Can't beat the price range for the features it has.

Thanks again,
Paul

 

[NiagracountyNY]

I can't wait to hear your results old california. CalifoniaGold has been posting on Another forum and hes been going over ground with his fors gold hes detected and finding more nuggs.Check for his post.I hope you can make a video or 2.I envy you guys in gold country.