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sell the Etrac and go with 705?

I have a 1874 IH cent that I dug while using my 705. It read 26 on the TID. That same coin registers a 12/24 on the E-TRAC. Coincidently, I dug a square pull tab with the E-TRAC that registered a 12/24. And it registers a 26 on the X-705. Two completely different targets with the exact same TID for each detector. The point is, the metallic content of some "crap" targets are going to register the same as coins no matter what detector you are using. If you understand your E-TRAC well, you know that the audio response of a target can tell you as much about it as the TID numbers. Same holds true with the X-705, when using multiple tone mode.

The X-705 has 24 conductive numbers available. That may lead you to think the E-TRAC can "discriminate" twice as good as the X-705, since the E-TRAC has 50 conductive numbers available. But when you look at what actual target numbers are for silver coins, they don't vary that much between the two detectors. In fact if anything, the 705 will categorize them more closely than the E-TRAC. For example, a silver 3-cent piece reads a 24-26 on the 705. On the E-TRAC it will typically come in as a 12 / 28, 29, 30, 31 or 32. A silver half dime will read a 30 on the 705. The E-TRAC will show it as 12 / 34, 35, 36, 37, 38 or 39. A silver dime reads 36, 38 or 40 on the 705, depending on the year of the dime. On the E-TRAC, it will read a 12 / 43, 44, 45 or 46, again depending on the year of the dime. A silver quarter will read a 40 or 42 on the 705. On the E-TRAC, it comes in as 12/46 or 47. A silver half dollar will read 44 on the X-705 and will vary from 09, 10, 11 or 12 ferrous, combined with a 44, 45, 46 or 47 on the conductive side. A silver dollar will register a 46 on the X705 and will and jump up to a 01 / 41-45 on the E-TRAC. One might think that, if you are confident that most US coins will read around the 12 ferrous number, with the exception of the US silver dollar, what is the point in knowing the ferrous value? And that answer is...... Lots of junk targets might provide the same conductive number as a coin. But the ferrous number can sometimes help make that decision as to whether you want to dig or not. So while I don't believe the E-TRAC will find more coins than the X-705, the ferrous properties can sometimes help you dig less trash.

And as far as gold jewelry is concerned, since each piece might vary due to size and purity, all bets are off. Again, if you follow the baseline of 12 ferrous being the "good stuff", you will likely dig less trash using the E-TRAC compared to the X-705. But on the other hand, there have been a lot of posts made about good stuff being found with E-TRAC ferrous numbers all the way from 01 to 27. So don't assume that following that baseline of 12 is always in your best interest.

In my opinion, there is one main reason that E-TRAC users are able to find stuff that many other detectorists have missed. And that is because of their sweep speed. We all hear that the FBS units require a slow sweep speed. Therefore, when we turn one on, we hunt slow. Besides that, when you drop $1500 on a detector, you feel the need to prove to yourself it is worth the investment! On the other hand, not much is discussed about the sweep speed of the X-TERRA. I have commented that I can cover more ground with the 705 in any given period of time, compared to the E-TRAC. But part of that is due to the quick response of the 705, as well as a faster sweep. Actually, what I should say is that it has a very forgiving sweep speed. Since it is a motion detector, you have to keep the coil moving to detect targets. But those who have become complacent with their X-TERRA might be surprised how much they would find if they just slowed down their sweep and became more methodical about their approach to a target.

I go back to what you said about your E-TRAC......you said it is very easy to learn but thought it is like killing deer with a cannon. So you know how to use it, but think it is an overkill? Frankly, if you already know how to use it, and you already own it, don't think of it as an overkill. Think of it as a detector that will allow you to rehunt areas where most other detectorists have given up. Places where they left much the deep - good stuff behind. You could likely do that with an X-705 as well. But you already own the E-TRAC and know how to use it. So if economics is not the driving force behind your initial post, I'd say keep the one you are familiar with and find more time to hunt those sites that others have given up on. If you do decide to sell or trade the E-TRAC, don't hesitate to consider the 705. It is an excellent detector. JMHO HH Randy
 
I am a relatively new user of the 705, and others have already explained the performance differences so I will skip that. I have an E trac. If your looking to reduce your cost because you don't use a detector that often I think the 705 is a poor choice. I think the 705 is actually a more complex machine than the E trac. The 705 is not a machine so much as a detecting system. In order to address a variety of detecting sites you need more than one. you need to understand ground balancing, tracking, as well as a host of other issues. To be prepared with the whole 705 detecting system you need to spend more money and the extra coils aren't cheap at 200 each with freight. I would look at other Minelab models if your wanting to save dollars. Why not a Safari?
 
I own both machines and love them both. Now when I had ONLY the x 70 I thought no way a detector could ever be better, I felt I about mastered the 70 and no way an etrac could be better. Well I was wrong I got the etrac a lil over a year ago now and in that yr I have only used the x70 about 3 times. I love my etrac and yes I feel it is superior to the xterra. But I am not saying the xterra is not good. It is an awesome detector, in my opinion the etrac is better, deeper, and separates targets better. But it should it is more than twice the cost.

If my etrac broke today and couldn't be fixed I would order a new one absolutely!
 
As a fellow hunter who has owned both....for a short while... i can chime in here...

I found a lot of good stuff in my own yard with the 705... musket balls, three ring mini balls, ect... so i thought when i got the E-trac i thought I would find so much more that the X-terra 705 may have missed.

Not so! If you follow diggers advice on the 705 you will be a very happy camper! One of the best detectors out there! its :hot:
 
There is two conflicting opinions here. Yes the E-Trac is better than the XT-705, and then others say not so. The four reasons I want to get an E-Trac is because I think it is more surgical(than my XT-70) to weed out bothersome new pennies also digging less trash. The other reason is I feel an E-Trac will go deeper in higher mineralized ground on silver. Also thirdly I had problem with wet clay on my XT-70 giving both false good TID #'s and false good tones, the E-Trac should handle this troublesome wet clay ground better. Fourthly I would like to have a 15" WOT, 12x15", or 15x18" SEF coil on a TID machine(I have a 15" WOT on my Musky and love that coil). If I lived near salt water(and hunted wet salt water sand) would be a fifth reason but I do not.

JohnApthorp, what I can say is all FBS or BBS units do poor on very small gold. Doc from Docs Detecting in Las Vegas had an Excalibur and it would not sound off on about a 1 gram nugget. Also I was told by Minelab when they were in Las Vegas that a Sovereign GT is not good on nuggets about 1 gram and smaller(I know it is more to do with surface area of gold facing the coil than the gram weight).

Just because the XT-705 beat the E-Trac on a 2.2 gram nugget at 5 inches in highly mineralized ground does not mean you should sell your E-Trac and buy a 705. That is an inherant problem with all the FBS or BBS units, either poor depth on very small gold or it will not make any signal at all on very small gold, especially high purity of gold. If it is 10 or 12 carat gold with about 50% silver and/or copper added to the gold then the E-Trac will pick it up much better. If it is almost pure 18 to 23 carat very small gold then the E-Trac will have a harder time, bigger pure gold is no problem. Most jewelry at the beach is about 10 to 18 carat gold(with some silver and/or copper added) so the E-Trac(and Sovereign and Excalibur) will pick up rings and chains better and easier than more pure natural gold nuggets. That being said the E-Trac is better as a silver, clad coin hunter, and also lower purity gold is where it shines as best.
 
Terry, have you done a comparison between the 70 and the E-trac? By that I mean, have you checked a target with each one? Was the target detectable
by each of the detectors. I know you have dug a bunch of Indian Heads, but when your honey holes dry up, will the E-trac still be able to produce that
many good targets. You have an area that hasn't been detected that much and are very lucky to be able to hunt those sites. I know the feeling, but my partner
and I have hit the same sites for years and they are not producing as they once did, no matter what detector we use.

We are both using the X-terra 70's right now. I am thinking of upgrading to the E-trac, but am wondering if it is any better than my 70 or for that matter my
Explorer II.

Just some questions I have, Thanks for any reply you might have or anyone else

HH, Ringfinder
 
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